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May 19, 2023, 05:36:06 AM
#72
What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY
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May 18, 2023, 09:18:36 PM
#71
I think I disagree with you on this;
Does s/he need to catch all the cheaters in this forum before he could be trusted, if catching one cheater is not enough.
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There was a user who wanted to pay for evil fee or copper membership, but theymos mistakenly sent him some btc, as new as s/he was and having joined the forum with a concealed ip, s/he chosed to return the btc. He recieved enough positive feedbacks without waiting for him to reach 5 years in the forum
When there is a financial transaction there is no necessary for time. When I send you 500$ means anyone can trust me for 500$. For example, you send me 500$ btc and then I send you 500$ eth or something else. This means you should trust me for this 500$. Even others can do the same. So, the main factor is not the time in this case.

Lets us discuss another scenario:
You have no financial transactions but you are working a lot of time on the forum and you have found out few scams (it might be one too) you have reached sr member/hero member then anyone can trust you. Because you will not scam a few hundred dollars. Though it can be different if you have no earned merit and all of your merit is from airdrop.
legendary
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May 18, 2023, 08:04:42 PM
#70
What's there to learn from this case?
Merit posters! When you merit, you show support.
Every supported post is one more person saved from becoming a campaign abuser and account farmer!

LOL. Given the rest of your post I have to assume you're being sarcastic here...

Based on the merit histories of the known alts, I'd say this person likely still has a few un-busted accounts that are still in signature campaigns. But because they have done a careful job of avoiding any blockchain links, I won't bother mentioning who I suspect they are for now.

Despite this person's heartfelt plea to their countrymen, they are a pathological liar, I don't buy whatever story they may have for one second. Oddly enough I did get a PM from one of them in March asking for a second chance. I said no. Looks like I made the right decision.
legendary
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Hire Bitcointalk Camp. Manager @ r7promotions.com
May 18, 2023, 05:08:47 PM
#69
~snip~ @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks
First I thought it's a weird request but then I emptied my mind and considered the proposal. Logically my client lost money on the guy and it's because of me. I can make many reasons why it missed my radar but all will sound excuses and I don't like excuses.

FYI, I compensated my client with the BTC that was lost on Shan85. It's my own interpretation of this specific case and as we all know it's not something common we experienced before. As managers we all have our freedom of conducting own businesses. Just because I did something does not need to be followed by others and not to be considered as a common practice too.

Cheers,
 
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
May 18, 2023, 04:50:33 PM
#68
This is a translation of the above post. It may not be perfect English, but have to consider the peculiarities of Urdu and the difficulty of translating from this style of writing.

Reply to illegally allegations
Assalamualaikum, my dear respected brothers,

I am aware that everyone wants to talk about me, but the truth is no one knows the reality. You are all my seniors, and I trust that you will keep the respect in your hearts for me throughout my life. Whether someone speaks ill of me or praises me, I am not affected because in one person, there are 100 good qualities and 1 bad quality. People tend to focus on the negative. I don't care about what others think of me; I only remember the kindness and compassion of all my brothers.

It doesn't matter to me if someone speaks badly about me, as I won't lose anything. If a person is 99% good and 1% bad, people only focus on the bad. I am going through difficult times, and instead of motivating me, everyone is demotivating me. I am worried about this, as it has caused a significant loss for me.

I am not saying that someone should motivate me, but they should also not investigate. Because I know my current situation and my Lord knows it too. I am very hurt by the fact that if someone had seen me struggling, why didn't they guide me? The first campaign I did was without knowledge of this matter. If I had any greed in my heart, I wouldn't have shared this, but the close ones knew about it. I shared it with Gladitorcomeback and Zain Bhai. I also talked to a senior about it, that I didn't receive the payment for 2 weeks. I had done the work properly, as you can see in my posts, but I didn't receive the payment. So, I applied on Duelbits and got accepted. Then someone reported it and created threads about it. Now, I will address the truth there as well.

But I am saddened that my own community is not standing with me. I removed the request text from the Pakistan local board immediately to protect my community. My community is dearer to me than my own life, but no one motivated me on this matter. Every person makes mistakes, and no one is perfect. But no one here is an angel. May Allah bring justice to my case.

ThemePen brother, you are saying that I managed the merit myself. I worked hard and created posts with accurate information, but no one supported me. What else could I have done? And ThemePen brother, if you knew about changing the signature, why didn't you guide me? The matter of reputation is dearer to me than anything else. Please remember, if one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community. You all are damaging your own reputations. Instead of blaming me, ask for the truth.

Thank you.

Thanks for this translation. It seems that all of you from the Pakistan board are guilty because he cheated in two campaigns. I don't know how he can plead ignorance, and he received payments for multiple Sunday campaigns. Obviously not an incident.


I'm just surprised that there's no animosity toward the bad deeds that he has done, he prefers blaming his community and his seniors for not guiding him properly.

Obviously, he did not expect this kind of outcome and he completely lost the ground under his feet. For a moment he is proud and tries to present it as if it means nothing to him until he realizes that he has run out of opportunities for income from the campaign.

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It doesn't matter to me if someone speaks badly about me, as I won't lose anything. If a person is 99% good and 1% bad, people only focus on the bad. I am going through difficult times, and instead of motivating me, everyone is demotivating me. I am worried about this, as it has caused a significant loss for me.
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May 18, 2023, 04:34:11 PM
#67


I'm just surprised that there's no animosity toward the bad deeds that he has done, he prefers blaming his community and his seniors for not guiding him properly.

I find this unethical and distasteful you are supposed to know the rules and you know that it's cheating to accept payment on two campaigns, you don't drag your community to your misdeeds
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If one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community

If you made a mistake you should man enough to accept and not blame your community for not supporting your misdeeds and guiding you.

I'm sure your community will not tolerate your action, you should be out of this forum.

legendary
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May 18, 2023, 02:56:49 PM
#66
Reply to illegally allegations
Assalamualaikum, my dear respected brothers,

I am aware that everyone wants to talk about me, but the truth is no one knows the reality. You are all my seniors, and I trust that you will keep the respect in your hearts for me throughout my life. Whether someone speaks ill of me or praises me, I am not affected because in one person, there are 100 good qualities and 1 bad quality. People tend to focus on the negative. I don't care about what others think of me; I only remember the kindness and compassion of all my brothers.

It doesn't matter to me if someone speaks badly about me, as I won't lose anything. If a person is 99% good and 1% bad, people only focus on the bad. I am going through difficult times, and instead of motivating me, everyone is demotivating me. I am worried about this, as it has caused a significant loss for me.

I am not saying that someone should motivate me, but they should also not investigate. Because I know my current situation and my Lord knows it too. I am very hurt by the fact that if someone had seen me struggling, why didn't they guide me? The first campaign I did was without knowledge of this matter. If I had any greed in my heart, I wouldn't have shared this, but the close ones knew about it. I shared it with Gladitorcomeback and Zain Bhai. I also talked to a senior about it, that I didn't receive the payment for 2 weeks. I had done the work properly, as you can see in my posts, but I didn't receive the payment. So, I applied on Duelbits and got accepted. Then someone reported it and created threads about it. Now, I will address the truth there as well.

But I am saddened that my own community is not standing with me. I removed the request text from the Pakistan local board immediately to protect my community. My community is dearer to me than my own life, but no one motivated me on this matter. Every person makes mistakes, and no one is perfect. But no one here is an angel. May Allah bring justice to my case.

ThemePen brother, you are saying that I managed the merit myself. I worked hard and created posts with accurate information, but no one supported me. What else could I have done? And ThemePen brother, if you knew about changing the signature, why didn't you guide me? The matter of reputation is dearer to me than anything else. Please remember, if one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community. You all are damaging your own reputations. Instead of blaming me, ask for the truth.

Thank you.

Thanks for translating it.

It looks like he's looking for support in his local board, hoping that you guys will defend him. He's playing dumb, acting like it wasn't a deliberate action, but at the same time shows defiance, like it's the world's fault that he did it. It's the fault of his peers, the fact that he wasn't paid in another campaign, that other's don't know him well.
He also merited his other accounts because nobody was willing to merit them, so what was he supposed to do?

He's not going to talk to the people who don't understand him, but he may talk to his brothers in faith, as they're above the rest. He doesn't care about those here who criticize him, only about his brothers.

And remember, he wasn't making accounts and joining campaigns out of greed, but because he was going through difficult times.

What's there to learn from this case?
Merit posters! When you merit, you show support.
Every supported post is one more person saved from becoming a campaign abuser and account farmer!
rby
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Brotherhood is love
May 18, 2023, 02:51:58 PM
#65
Reply to illegally allegations
 And ThemePen brother, if you knew about changing the signature, why didn't you guide me? The matter of reputation is dearer to me than anything else. Please remember, if one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community. You all are damaging your own reputations. Instead of blaming me, ask for the truth.

Thank you.
What kind of guidance is this user talking about.
You grew from brand new to full member and Has promoted a couple of campaigns and yet you haven't read campaign rules. Infact, all the campaigns in this forum has the rule of not adding anything to signature and not removing signature and avatar during campaign period.

Even without rules, morality has it that you are a cheat. There is no part of the world where your act could be justified. Your type is not needed in this forum, but bad enough is that you will create a new account and start building it up. But, I think you have learnt your lesson.
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yes
May 18, 2023, 12:29:07 PM
#64
It was also difficult for any forum members to notice because he was not a reputable member and posted more frequently in his local board, and it appears that he was only making the switch once a week, Bettercaulraul is his main sig and avatar and was only switching to Duebits a few minutes later before post counts and switching it back immediately because Duebits participants are simply too numerous in numbers.
Your opinion raise an interesting question here, since Shan85 is active in his local board, how can the other users who are active in his local board doesn't realized if Shan85 is participating BetterCallRaul campaign? I think when we're active posting in a same thread, we will be more familiar with other users.

Although all active users in Pakistan board shouldn't be blamed, but I think it's quite suspicious.

He was very clever with his sig heist; Duelbits payments were on Tuesdays, so most of the time he finished his post early on Mondays, changed his sig and avatar to Duebits before the cut-off time, logged off until payment was made, and then logged back in late Tuesday with BettercaulRaul sig and avatar. Who knows, but we can't blame an entire community for the actions of one bad apple.

I'm sure his not the only one doing it, there may be others doing the same sig heist as well.

He applied for Coinomize few weeks ago the $80 he was earning from Duebits and Raul was not enough so he wanted another $42 from Coinomize


Bitcointalk Username: Shan85
SegWit BTC Address: bc1qjx8ryt0jxa44k68dn3uhgpt2yhzs6rtw2cw2st
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 106

jr. member
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Up up and away!!!
May 18, 2023, 12:08:38 PM
#63
This should be considered as an "observed Opportunity" for Campaign Managers.

It is not a valid Reason that Managers are busy and are just checking the Post of Participants by the End of week campaign? and don't they have assistants to do this?

(If you are looking for an Assistant - count me IN Cheesy, I'm an Analyst in a Different Industry. )

also.

 Is there a way that a Manager will be notified as soon as a Participant of the campaign removes the signature even just for a second?

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May 18, 2023, 11:28:29 AM
#62
I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before.

It's not a new occurrence actually, just that this case managed to fall between the cracks since the payout days for both campaigns are different so the cheater could switch between Duelbits (Tuesday) and BCR (Thursday)

With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally.

I don’t think this happened as a result of the number of campaign participants, I think this case flew under the radar for so long because of his posting habit, the account mostly made posts in gambling board and Pakistani local board making it difficult for the community to notice the frequent changes in avatar and signature code.
staff
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May 18, 2023, 11:07:37 AM
#61
Is there any chance you could translate his last post for us? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62258450

This is a translation of the above post. It may not be perfect English, but have to consider the peculiarities of Urdu and the difficulty of translating from this style of writing.

Reply to illegally allegations
Assalamualaikum, my dear respected brothers,

I am aware that everyone wants to talk about me, but the truth is no one knows the reality. You are all my seniors, and I trust that you will keep the respect in your hearts for me throughout my life. Whether someone speaks ill of me or praises me, I am not affected because in one person, there are 100 good qualities and 1 bad quality. People tend to focus on the negative. I don't care about what others think of me; I only remember the kindness and compassion of all my brothers.

It doesn't matter to me if someone speaks badly about me, as I won't lose anything. If a person is 99% good and 1% bad, people only focus on the bad. I am going through difficult times, and instead of motivating me, everyone is demotivating me. I am worried about this, as it has caused a significant loss for me.

I am not saying that someone should motivate me, but they should also not investigate. Because I know my current situation and my Lord knows it too. I am very hurt by the fact that if someone had seen me struggling, why didn't they guide me? The first campaign I did was without knowledge of this matter. If I had any greed in my heart, I wouldn't have shared this, but the close ones knew about it. I shared it with Gladitorcomeback and Zain Bhai. I also talked to a senior about it, that I didn't receive the payment for 2 weeks. I had done the work properly, as you can see in my posts, but I didn't receive the payment. So, I applied on Duelbits and got accepted. Then someone reported it and created threads about it. Now, I will address the truth there as well.

But I am saddened that my own community is not standing with me. I removed the request text from the Pakistan local board immediately to protect my community. My community is dearer to me than my own life, but no one motivated me on this matter. Every person makes mistakes, and no one is perfect. But no one here is an angel. May Allah bring justice to my case.

ThemePen brother, you are saying that I managed the merit myself. I worked hard and created posts with accurate information, but no one supported me. What else could I have done? And ThemePen brother, if you knew about changing the signature, why didn't you guide me? The matter of reputation is dearer to me than anything else. Please remember, if one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community. You all are damaging your own reputations. Instead of blaming me, ask for the truth.

Thank you.

Xal0lex, I see you are a moderator, don't you have some educational topics on the Pakistan board about some basics and norms of behaviour here on the forum? Considering two very bad cases of breaking the rules in the last period.

You're so fast Grin I became a moderator of this section only ten days ago Wink
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May 18, 2023, 10:33:31 AM
#60
I am very much concerned on how is it possible for anyone to scam those who are giving for a side hustle opportunity? I hope the BMs are now working to stop such scammers. I would believe that they have taken proper measures to avoid such scams and fraudulent activities.

This individual.being part of the Pakistani board should be a concern. Before him a user from the same board is removed for plagiarism. Such issues are gaining an upward movement from that region. It would be wise if both the named BMs rethink on their hiring structure. I am not blaming everyone from that board but I believe such scams need poper introspection and filtering.
legendary
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May 18, 2023, 10:11:03 AM
#59
It's not incomprehensible English Smiley It is Urdu written in transliteration. Yes, it is very difficult to understand and translate. Unless, of course, you are a native Urdu speaker. Only an Urdu speaker can translate this text. No online translator can understand this text. You have to have a native speaker you know to translate this style of writing.

By the way, in the Pakistani thread, another user (ItsCrafty) was recently dismissed from the campaign for plagiarism. He participated in the UniJoin.io campaign run by icopress.

Is there any chance you could translate his last post for us? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62258450

It seems as if he is claiming that these are false accusations, obviously, he doesn't understand English well, and maybe that's why he doesn't write here.

Xal0lex, I see you are a moderator, don't you have some educational topics on the Pakistan board about some basics and norms of behaviour here on the forum? Considering two very bad cases of breaking the rules in the last period.
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May 18, 2023, 08:35:24 AM
#58
It was also difficult for any forum members to notice because he was not a reputable member and posted more frequently in his local board, and it appears that he was only making the switch once a week, Bettercaulraul is his main sig and avatar and was only switching to Duebits a few minutes later before post counts and switching it back immediately because Duebits participants are simply too numerous in numbers.
Your opinion raise an interesting question here, since Shan85 is active in his local board, how can the other users who are active in his local board doesn't realized if Shan85 is participating BetterCallRaul campaign? I think when we're active posting in a same thread, we will be more familiar with other users.

Although all active users in Pakistan board shouldn't be blamed, but I think it's quite suspicious.
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yes
May 18, 2023, 06:05:35 AM
#57
I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before.

It's not a new occurrence actually, just that this case managed to fall between the cracks since the payout days for both campaigns are different so the cheater could switch between Duelbits (Tuesday) and BCR (Thursday)

With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally.

It was also difficult for any forum members to notice because he was not a reputable member and posted more frequently in his local board, and it appears that he was only making the switch once a week, Bettercaulraul is his main sig and avatar and was only switching to Duebits a few minutes later before post counts and switching it back immediately because Duebits participants are simply too numerous in numbers.


He take advantage on situation on where campaign managers has a lot of work so since this issue exist where a user cheat on two campaigns maybe this will be a great call to all campaign managers to frequently check their participants so that they will not be cheated as well as the same issues will be avoided to happen in future. This is the first time I see this issue and Shan85 has strong balls to do this  crazy action.

Managers are not going to babysit 100+ participants daily just because some assholes want to cheat. there is always a pay day for everyone
legendary
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May 17, 2023, 06:59:06 PM
#56
This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy.

It happens because those campaigns have different days to count the posts of the participants, so he exploits it, bounty managers' jobs are not really that easy they cannot monitor every participant they concentrated on participants' posts and level of participation in discussions, hats off to you for having a quick eye and details the cheater is a new participant so we're familiar to his profile.
I have some members who have been on campaigns for so many months and years that I became familiar with the signature that they are wearing.

He take advantage on situation on where campaign managers has a lot of work so since this issue exist where a user cheat on two campaigns maybe this will be a great call to all campaign managers to frequently check their participants so that they will not be cheated as well as the same issues will be avoided to happen in future. This is the first time I see this issue and Shan85 has strong balls to do this  crazy action.
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pxzone.online
May 17, 2023, 06:06:56 PM
#55
But wait oo! Is it possible for a user to wear two signature at the time? Because I only know one signature box in the user profile so how come people are using two signature at the same time. And also the guy did not tried at all.
Simply the user changed the signature when it's the payment day or the day before payment day to fool the managers when counting of posts starts. And he did it for few rounds/weeks without people and the manager noticing, until someone noticed and now, congrats to him/her.
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May 17, 2023, 05:58:47 PM
#54
This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy.

It happens because those campaigns have different days to count the posts of the participants, so he exploits it, bounty managers' jobs are not really that easy they cannot monitor every participant they concentrated on participants' posts and level of participation in discussions, hats off to you for having a quick eye and details the cheater is a new participant so we're familiar to his profile.
I have some members who have been on campaigns for so many months and years that I became familiar with the signature that they are wearing.
sr. member
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May 17, 2023, 05:24:54 PM
#53
This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy.
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