It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.
You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.
Topic: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) - page 2. (Read 2110 times)
It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.
You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.All project developers want in their campaign are leads, conversion, and branding, and who better manages this, only the veteran campaign managers like Royse, Hhampuz, and Brainboss who know everything around here, who are familiar with leads and conversion, and who know how to pick the right participants who are likely to deliver, who knows about sections of the forums that can deliver leads and who can establish their brand here.
I prefer veteran managers because they know how to communicate with all ranks of members here, campaign managing is not something you learn overnight, it should be backed up with years of experience, it's their territory and they know their way here.
It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.
You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about. 
Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice
I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.The only reason I can think of is trustworthiness. Project owners wouldn't want a situation their campaign budget money will get missing or hacked. I tried one day to understand how some of the long term campaigns funds Hhampuz for the campaign. I was of the opinion that they send him campaign monthly or quarterly, who knows it could be yearly. And not every random managers would be trusted with such amounts.
I’m sure you’re aware campaigns do not only hire a manager just for his ability to deliver but for the legitimacy the manager brings to the campaign. I’m not certain a new campaign would survive if they hire a manager who doesn’t have much reputation.
About your Current development, Yeah, it's nice. I can see the date of first-time download, the signature and the last update time. Is it possible to detect the changes if they were made for a few minutes? Let's say I changed my signature for a few minutes and returned to what it was before. Will your bot be able to detect it?
Maybe, maybe not. There's a random delay between scraping, so for a few minutes you'd probably get away with it. But who's willing to risk it? See LoyceBot's test change.I could scrape more often, but that would create unnecessary forum server load, so I'm trying to find a balance.
It could be someone gets lucky if he hops from A to B and back after a few hours, but the random scraping time makes that a risk. Besides, campaign manager A may not notice it, but campaign manager B will only see signature A in the logs.
It could be someone gets lucky if he hops from A to B and back after a few hours, but the random scraping time makes that a risk. Besides, campaign manager A may not notice it, but campaign manager B will only see signature A in the logs.
How's this? See Your signature log. I check each profile on my list at least once a day, at random times. If there's a change, a new entry gets added to that page.
So far, my list isn't that long, and it's still experimental.
Well, This is good. But, before you work on it more, You should contact some Campaign managers like Hhampuz and Royse777, who manages many campaigns. You can discuss whether they need the service before you further improve it. This is a super helpful tool for a campaign manager and the company. Campaign managers may charge an extra $ for every week from the company. But, It also depends on your pricing. Let's say a company wants this subscription at a low price, like $5/week. But, you may think, No, the service I will provide is worth more than that. So, You may discuss the excellent price for a campaign with 30-40 Participants. So far, my list isn't that long, and it's still experimental.
About your Current development, Yeah, it's nice. I can see the date of first-time download, the signature and the last update time. Is it possible to detect the changes if they were made for a few minutes? Let's say I changed my signature for a few minutes and returned to what it was before. Will your bot be able to detect it?
Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice
I don’t believe the number of participants had anything to do with it, even if the campaign had only five slots, with the same user the result would be the same since managers do not have a bot that notifies them if a participant changes his signature during the week. I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.
I’m sure you’re aware campaigns do not only hire a manager just for his ability to deliver but for the legitimacy the manager brings to the campaign. I’m not certain a new campaign would survive if they hire a manager who doesn’t have much reputation. It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized. 
Obviously business owners would prefer the experienced and established manager to promote them. So, I guess there would be no wonder on seeing the highly recognized managers with so many campaigns.
Not just that, I think project owners also look at managers with higher reputations and not just qualifications; there are people who will post a campaign today, and in a few hours, there will be lots of applicants who are already on the waiting list because they trust the manager to be the type that will always deliver.
There are also some new managers who might actually be good at what they preach, but because they are not yet well known and have nothing to show off that they won't scam their participants, when such managers post work here, most people will see it and overlook it. I guess this is also the kind of thing project owners look at before hiring someone, not even minding the amount of work the manager is holding at the moment. This is also because the manager will always assure them they can deliver their work, and at the end of the day, both the project owners and the managers get what they want.
I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign.
Obviously business owners would prefer the experienced and established manager to promote them. So, I guess there would be no wonder on seeing the highly recognized managers with so many campaigns.It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.
One of the probable reason could be:This might be an all-new-kind of scam attempt which falls beyond managers' measurements in terms of scam control and prevention.
The outcome lesson of this scam might be, it is time for managers to run a bot for checking changes in signature codes for all 7 days and 24 hours.
I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback
I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case.Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager.
I made a bot to check this, but it's not public yet. See loyce.club/signatures/ for the current entries. I'm still in doubt if I should charge for it's usage: on the one hand I like catching cheaters, but on the other hand campaign managers aren't charities.Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice
I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him. 
Now I am wondering if LoyceBot will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly.
However, Participants change every week or every few weeks. Move from one campaign to another Campaign. Some spreadsheets are hidden (Bettercallitraul, for example). I am curious How would you do that? If you have to do something manually, you won't be able to provide this service at a cheap price. But, if you can make it automatic, offering an affordable subscription could be possible.
However, Participants change every week or every few weeks. Move from one campaign to another Campaign. Some spreadsheets are hidden (Bettercallitraul, for example). I am curious How would you do that? If you have to do something manually, you won't be able to provide this service at a cheap price. But, if you can make it automatic, offering an affordable subscription could be possible.
That is a good idea. It's possible, just that the bot needs to access the API and detect code changes in the signature field against the original content. Sends an alert/ notification if a signature change is detected.
About the hidden spreadsheets, perhaps it should be mandatory to be made public? After all, it has been the norm.
Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users.
Now I am wondering if LoyceBot will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly.So far, my list isn't that long, and it's still experimental.
How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off?
And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?
Bro, you are not on the same page. The user does not wear both signatures at a time. The user wears one signature and once received the payment then wears another one. And in this way continue. As a result, get payment from both campaigns. If the user wears both signatures at a time then both campaign managers will have to reject the payment.And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?
OK. That is scummy behavior though. I wouldn't have caught that myself because I have got signatures and avatars disabled in the forum settings.
How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off?
And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?
Bro, you are not on the same page. The user does not wear both signatures at a time. The user wears one signature and once received the payment then wears another one. And in this way continue. As a result, get payment from both campaigns. If the user wears both signatures at a time then both campaign managers will have to reject the payment. And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?
How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off?
And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?
And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?
I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will.
Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional.
Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional.
That's a shame that he posted first that he will return but now he is not acting upon his words. By the way there is no need to believe his words because if he was too honest to return the money, he would not have stolen it at first place.
He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s).
Return it for the moral value, the inner peace , the satisfied soul
But i think the thieves and the scammers does not posses these feelings.
LoyceV read this topic.
Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users.
Now I am wondering if LoyceBot will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly. Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users.
However, Participants change every week or every few weeks. Move from one campaign to another Campaign. Some spreadsheets are hidden (Bettercallitraul, for example). I am curious How would you do that? If you have to do something manually, you won't be able to provide this service at a cheap price. But, if you can make it automatic, offering an affordable subscription could be possible.
About refunding to Campaign managers, Guys, let's not pre-assume something. Let him decide what he wants to do. If you say such things from the beginning, It will motivate him not to refund even if he plans to refund them. As he said, He would refund last week's payment to both Campaign managers.
LoyceV read this topic.
Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users.
Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users.
He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s).
I also don't believe that he will give the money back but I wish I'm wrong the guy is comfortable cheating he is shifting the signature in time for the payout, it's a scheme he perfectly hatched if he has a personal friend here in Bitcointalk that is aware of what's done he can talk him out to return all the money and post an apology but the tagged should stay.
It's on his conscience now if he did not fulfill his promise, thereby this guy has no conscience, he is mocking us by promising something he cannot fulfill.
He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s).
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