Wearing Double signature (Shan85) - page 6.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 16, 2023, 06:31:56 PM

...from posts in incomprehensible English...

It's not incomprehensible English

It is Urdu written in transliteration. Yes, it is very difficult to understand and translate. Unless, of course, you are a native Urdu speaker. Only an Urdu speaker can translate this text. No online translator can understand this text. You have to have a native speaker you know to translate this style of writing.

By the way, in the Pakistani thread, another user (ItsCrafty) was recently dismissed from the campaign for plagiarism. He participated in the UniJoin.io campaign run by icopress.

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It is shameful and sad that someone has taken such steps to cheat signature campaigns to earn double. But he was caught before he could take his activities far. After watching the activity of this user, it has now alerted the managers that there are also such signature campaign participants who can cheat with two campaigns at the same time with one account.

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Quote from: rby on May 17, 2023, 01:07:53 AM

Does s/he need to catch all the cheaters in this forum before he could be trusted, if catching one cheater is not enough.

What if I've done catch a cheater? will I get a positive feedback too? that's so easy and someone can taking advantage for asking non collateral loan because he already get a positive feedback which could be trusted.

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Trust has nothing to do with how long the person exists in the forum. I will give you two instances;

There was a user who wanted to pay for evil fee or copper membership, but theymos mistakenly sent him some btc, as new as s/he was and having joined the forum with a concealed ip, s/he chosed to return the btc. He recieved enough positive feedbacks without waiting for him to reach 5 years in the forum
Haven't you seen someone who is trusted by many forum users for years, and they ended up with a major exit scam?

The first case is related with financial deal, so there's nothing to do with how long he need to be in this forum.

The second case it's correct, but how many cases a low rank/short time accounts turn become scam with high rank/long time accounts turn become scam?

Catching a cheater is good and it's one of his contribution to this forum, but some users are taking advantage about it. That's why, if you want to trust a scam buster, someone need to reconsider how long he has been in this forum and how long he put his dedication for this.

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Quote from: Helena Yu on May 17, 2023, 12:22:05 AM

Quote from: robelneo on May 16, 2023, 11:49:55 PM

I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback

I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case. I'm not saying he's bad, but catching one cheater is still not deserved to be trusted.

Ask yourself, can a 5 months user who's doesn't have any financial deal can be trusted? feel free to disagree if you think I'm wrong.

I think I disagree with you on this;
Does s/he need to catch all the cheaters in this forum before he could be trusted, if catching one cheater is not enough.

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Ask yourself, can a 5 months user who's doesn't have any financial deal can be trusted?

Trust has nothing to do with how long the person exists in the forum. I will give you two instances;

There was a user who wanted to pay for evil fee or copper membership, but theymos mistakenly sent him some btc, as new as s/he was and having joined the forum with a concealed ip, s/he chosed to return the btc. He recieved enough positive feedbacks without waiting for him to reach 5 years in the forum
Haven't you seen someone who is trusted by many forum users for years, and they ended up with a major exit scam?

I do not think that the positive feedback is inappropriate.
How about if s/he messaged the cheat and asked them to share their rewards with him/her else they would be exposed. Don't you think that the cheat would have complied and the cheating will continue?

Looking at it from the forum way, there is a difference between positive trust and including someone in the trust list. The scam burster might not qualify for the later, but he is qualified for the former if not both.

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Quote from: robelneo on May 16, 2023, 11:49:55 PM

I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback

I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case. I'm not saying he's bad, but catching one cheater is still not deserved to be trusted.

Ask yourself, can a 5 months user who's doesn't have any financial deal can be trusted? feel free to disagree if you think I'm wrong.

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Some members will try to do this, maybe in the altcoin bounty campaign we don't know but we should be aware of this now.

Altcoins bounty campaign already messed up and some managers are still accept negative trust accounts, not really worth to catch a cheater in bounty section.

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Quote from: rby on May 16, 2023, 10:10:10 PM

Quote from: MinMan on May 16, 2023, 01:58:40 PM

Really a good work by @bbigtart.

I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature, hopefully they might be checking each and every user's sig on duelbit campaign sheet; but why? for merits? IMO definitely they deserve much appreciations.

The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread. I wouldn't care if the user uncovered this scam because of merits but he did great. It could be that both Hhampuz and Royse777 had already sent their weekly pay to the cheat. If not, I would recommend that either of them employ the method of icopress by giving the week's pay to the scam buster.

I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback, it's a great job we are concentrating on our discussion that we are not aware of this, this is the first time I read something like this, we must all be vigilant to catch cheaters from now on and help our bounty managers, managers job is not that easy bbigtart is the first to catch a cheater like this, and the cheater is very innovative to think something like this.
Some members will try to do this, maybe in the altcoin bounty campaign we don't know but we should be aware of this now.

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Quote from: Despairo on May 16, 2023, 10:28:47 PM

Quote from: rby on May 16, 2023, 10:10:10 PM

The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread.

I've merited him for you Wink

Welldone, I have also dropped a merit with the user and I also saw more from others.

Quote from: Despairo on May 16, 2023, 10:28:47 PM

I think this is because of the private spreadsheet usage, we're not a BetterCallRaul participants, so we don't have any clue who are the active participants. It's true the campaign manager will let know the removed/left participants and the new accepted participants, but it's not convenient to browse each post rather than give it into one list.

If it's about privacy matter, I don't think it's harm for just show the active participants, he can remove the address etc.

Although, I have worked under Royse777 for Mixero which also is a private spreadsheet campaign. Every week the manager publishes the name of the campaign participants in the campaign thread and it is public for anyone to view. The center of privacy in such campaigns is just the wallet address.
I trust Royse777 innovation prowess in campaign management but I am yet to figure out why he implemented this private spreadsheet method.
Some cheating alts are being bursted with address connections, but if these addresses are semi accessible, it might shield a cheat for some period of time.

Quote from: Poker Player on May 16, 2023, 10:32:20 PM

Good job Bitcoin_Arena and nutildah.

I have tagged the alts I have seen that had only one negative tag and there was even one that only had a neutral tag by JG. Mostly because maybe with only one negative tag the managers might let it pass but being the tag for this they shouldn't if they check the reference.

Can you link me to this user's alt? let me add to it.

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I have figured out.
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Good job Bitcoin_Arena and nutildah.

I have tagged the alts I have seen that had only one negative tag and there was even one that only had a neutral tag by JG. Mostly because maybe with only one negative tag the managers might let it pass but being the tag for this they shouldn't if they check the reference.

Will there ever be a time when we see cases like these but without breaking the rules? Okay, he's from Pakistan and what you get paid here for signature campaigns is a lot of money. But you can do things legally, asshole. You can have several alts in several campaigns getting paid without breaking the rules and you will be rich in your country by writing in a fucking internet forum.

Quote from: Despairo on May 16, 2023, 10:28:47 PM

Quote from: rby on May 16, 2023, 10:10:10 PM

The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread.

I've merited him for you Wink

Me too.

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Quote from: rby on May 16, 2023, 10:10:10 PM

The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread.

I've merited him for you Wink

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I have never heard of this kind of scam. Is it a new trend coming into the signature campaign?
I also understand that signature changes almost immediately it is updated, but avatar takes sometime before it updates, so this cheat should have been caught earlier. Now, attention is dragged to this kind of scam, I wouldn't be surprised if more cheats are discovered.

I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before.

I think this is because of the private spreadsheet usage, we're not a BetterCallRaul participants, so we don't have any clue who are the active participants. It's true the campaign manager will let know the removed/left participants and the new accepted participants, but it's not convenient to browse each post rather than give it into one list.

If it's about privacy matter, I don't think it's harm for just show the active participants, he can remove the address etc.

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Quote from: MinMan on May 16, 2023, 01:58:40 PM

Really a good work by @bbigtart.

I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature, hopefully they might be checking each and every user's sig on duelbit campaign sheet; but why? for merits? IMO definitely they deserve much appreciations.

The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread. I wouldn't care if the user uncovered this scam because of merits but he did great. It could be that both Hhampuz and Royse777 had already sent their weekly pay to the cheat. If not, I would recommend that either of them employ the method of icopress by giving the week's pay to the scam buster.

I have never heard of this kind of scam. Is it a new trend coming into the signature campaign?
I also understand that signature changes almost immediately it is updated, but avatar takes sometime before it updates, so this cheat should have been caught earlier. Now, attention is dragged to this kind of scam, I wouldn't be surprised if more cheats are discovered.

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Average income around the world. In Pakistan, it is about $1,470 annual or $123 monthly.
Cheating two campaigns brings a monthly salary that is doubled than Pakistanis average income monthly.

Is there a place in the world you could live like a king via sig campaigns?
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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on May 16, 2023, 03:06:33 PM

Wow, he must some greedy bastard. He has a lot of alt accounts. I have just uncovered a few.

Here's some connections on the ETH side of things.

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#Proof of Authentication
Bitcointalk username: Shan85
Bitcointalk URL link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shan85-3411432
Telegram Username: @Shan2750
Participated Compaign: Content Creations Compaign
ERC-20 Wallet: 0x0c38Da1fECDC144bE9E353CfbF125aA934d9da37

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Compaign: Twitter, Instagram
Spreadsheet:
Twitter no: 288
Instagram no: 100
Matic address: 0xe1c4eF1474f05fCb77266BA68f879E677Cb55Eb8

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Proof of Registration
Bitcointalk username: catooo
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/catooo-3490256
Participated Compaign: Video, Article, Twitter, Facebook
Telegram username: @cutecatooo
BSC wallet address: 0x5d5e26F28B9fDFFbe4E3d26CB681d30F3548030F

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Proof of authentication
Bitcointalk username: BlackAdamm
Bitcointalk Profile link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blackadamm-3513357
Telegram username: @BlackAdamm0
Participated Compaign: Twitter, Facebook, linkedin, Article, Video
BSC wallet address: 0xCb55c62d853765B122f33C28312E6432aaD6179B

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Quote from: Uzairjutt275 on November 16, 2022, 01:30:42 PM

#PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION
Forum Username: Uzairjutt275
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/uzairjutt275-3476466
Participated Campaigns: Signature
BEP-20 Wallet Address: 0x44E65103E0a499350533D8Ec9D46EC5e0569273c

Shared Binance deposit address:

Further connection:

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Quote from: Shan85 on January 17, 2023, 02:42:43 AM

#Proof of Authentication Post
Bitcointalk Username: Shan85
Bitcointalk Profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shan85-3411432
Telegram Username: @Shan2750
Campaign Category Participated: Content Creation
BSC Wallet Address: 0x0c38Da1fECDC144bE9E353CfbF125aA934d9da37

Sent to intermediary address:

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Quote from: coolcoinz on May 16, 2023, 03:06:35 PM

Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment.

He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month.
He was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life.

Since the Pakistan is the developing country,the minimum wage will be 90$ per month.But to live the better life,he should not work against ethics.He had get the free money from the two different campaign and wicked two reputable managers here.All his altaccount should be found and red tagged.So that other people will not try like this.

Quote from: coolcoinz on May 16, 2023, 03:06:35 PM

If anybody is thinking of doing it, it's not worth it. You're going to make some money in the process, if you're lucky, but how much will it be? $100? $200? And then you'll have to make a new account because nobody is going to accept you into a campaign. It's better to build an honest presence on the forum, instead of trying to weasel your way in, to make a few dollars.

Earning dollars against ethics is not a good one.Shan85 should feel shame on this act.Instead of making money by this way,he can earn some from forum and some from real job.He also misused the chance of many participants who had good posts and no chance to join the campaign.The amount of dollar he had scammed is not a matter,because even 10 dollars scam is a scam.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on May 16, 2023, 02:22:52 PM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 16, 2023, 01:52:27 PM

That freaked me out for a second, as a 'caul' is an anatomical term and it made me wonder what the hell that campaign is all about. Lol.

That's a kind of instant exchange.

Man, I am so sleep deprived it's not funny--I thought you were saying a caul is an instant exchange rather than 'BetterCallRaul' (which I find absurd, BTW). I had to double-check the definition before I realized what you were saying.

Anyway, I guess I made a bad assumption once again. I always thought campaign managers used some kind of bot to make sure that participants never changed their signature. So it would have been possible for someone in the Chipmixer campaign, for example, to change what was in their sig space for a time as long as nobody noticed? Wow. I've had the aforementioned assumption in my head for years.

Quote from: coolcoinz on May 16, 2023, 03:06:35 PM

Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment.

That's definitely a good point, and I've long realized what you said about campaign earnings being so much higher than job wages in countries like Pakistan. It's probably the main reason why so many people from countries with shit wages come here to earn money. Aaaaand problems arise....everything from posts in incomprehensible English to cheaters to pretty much anything shady you can imagine. Crazy.

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That's a sly foxy behaviour right there. Like The Sceptical Chymist have noted; Just how did the user got to persist to persist for this long?
I take it that, the user probably was switching between signature and avatar just about enough time before post counting begins.
That's some international dishonesty after being favoured amongst the multitude out here seeking campaigns and there is a rule of one campaign per account yet, here is a user switching between 2 campaigns and getting double pay for a single week's job.

At least, the user ought to have considered the many out here looking out for a campaign to work with and the campaign itself whom are putting out some good money for its promotion to ensure the work is been done properly.

Nope, that wasn't okay!

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on May 16, 2023, 03:43:45 PM

Funny this is coming out now.
I remember some months ago I applied for the duelbits campaign. This was the first time I applied for a campaign here actually.

I didn’t get the spot but this guy did. So I whined Grin

in my local German board a bit how somebody like this, with all his posts coming from 2 threads and all his merit basically coming from one thread gets a spot over other applicants that would fit the criteria much better. Especially since Pakistan is a Muslim country where gamling is haram (forbidden).

I was told the members get chosen carefully. Hmm…..

Anyway, he took a shot at it and got caught. I am surprised he even came into 2 campaigns with this type of posting, not being spread out and all. Huh

The spot was filled based on several factors which the guy filled. But unfortunately, the guy is a badly minded person (scammer) that's why did this type of activity. The guy got the punishment and every scammer like this will learn a lesson that those who will do this will be caught and will be tagged negatively.

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This is the first time I've seen a member wearing a double signature, it's unethical and this is abuse good that he is caught this early with so many participants attended by bounty managers it's hard to catch this type of person it's good that one of the members caught him.
Now we should be aware of this type of cheater, and we as members should help our managers by checking some of the participants if he is swapping signatures.

Supported both flags.

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Quote from: shasan on May 16, 2023, 01:35:26 PM

Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3163
Flag type 3 created by Royse777 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164

+1 i support the Flag....

anyway, i can't understand, how can that account not be honest with each campaign manager ^{(hhampuz and Royse777)}, does he think he can fool everyone forever?

he traded his account ^{(got a red flag)} with stolen money he got from duelbits campaign. members like that don't deserve to be here!!

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Funny this is coming out now.
I remember some months ago I applied for the duelbits campaign. This was the first time I applied for a campaign here actually.

I didn’t get the spot but this guy did. So I whined Grin

in my local German board a bit how somebody like this, with all his posts coming from 2 threads and all his merit basically coming from one thread gets a spot over other applicants that would fit the criteria much better. Especially since Pakistan is a Muslim country where gamling is haram (forbidden).

I was told the members get chosen carefully. Hmm…..

Anyway, he took a shot at it and got caught. I am surprised he even came into 2 campaigns with this type of posting, not being spread out and all. Huh

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Quote from: Little Mouse on May 16, 2023, 02:22:52 PM

WTF! I never thought anyone would think of being such dishonest here.

Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment.

He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month.
He was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life.

If anybody is thinking of doing it, it's not worth it. You're going to make some money in the process, if you're lucky, but how much will it be? $100? $200? And then you'll have to make a new account because nobody is going to accept you into a campaign. It's better to build an honest presence on the forum, instead of trying to weasel your way in, to make a few dollars.

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