Topic: What is in mind of those, who against vaccination? - page 10. (Read 2352 times)

You must have gotten a shit load of vaccines then 

I'm 77, and I haven't had any vaccines since I was a kid, and then I only had a couple. I've only had antibiotics about 3 times in my life, and I don't use pain killers or recreational or pharma drugs. I'm never ill, and I don't even get colds. I'm exposed to infection from the vaccinated people in places like McDonalds, and they seem to be talking about ailments and doctor's visits all the time. I'm also saddened by the kids who have been crippled by the additives in modern vaccines. I'm now at an age when younger friends are dying and becoming vegetables, as a result of the drugs administered by the "health" service. You guys should reflect on the fact that the country that spends most on so called health care is one of the unhealthiest countries in the developed world.

Good health comes from having built a healthy natural immune system, getting some exercise, and a diet that contains a minimum of additives and preservatives. If you really love your kids, then don't cripple them for life by injecting poisons and disease into them while their bodies are trying to build a healthy immune system.

ps. I very rarely eat the food in McDonalds.

Yes, please do.  Always!  And if you find information suggesting the chart is invalid, I would highly appreciate reference to it.

I am often suspicious of charts that are to small to be legible, and people who put them up, but I just noticed that I did the same.  I'll make a brief edit above and see if I can fix it.

I was unusually bad at spelling all of my life and that continues to this day.  Never learned the 'parts of speech' from English class, and never learned my times tables.  I looked back at a letter I wrote after high school and, to be honest, I would characterize myself as 'semi-literate' at that time.   I was certainly not a good student in my high school days.  In spite of what is probably a mild form of dyslexia I did read a lot of non-school stuff (mostly science) at home though because I would get quite interested in subjects.  I always could produce good scores on IQ tests at least.

Anyway, I'll look for the 'into' mistake.  There are more than a few which continue to vex me.  Someone here pointed out 'then/than' a few years ago and I've been more careful about that.  Thanks!

^^^ Consider that the words "in to" as you used them, are generally one word (into) in common language. Not trying to pick on you, but perhaps you should rethink your lack of degradation. Of course, am I any different? I had to check the spelling of degradation.

I happened to have had rather exceptional ASVAB scores when I went in to the service.  In terms of intellectual capability I never felt that I underwent any degradation that I could notice, and since that time I increased my real-world capabilities in a lot of areas by a fair degree.  Now the years are catching up and I don't learn and remember things as readily.  That's easily explainable by simple aging I think.

That reminds me of another assumption which seems to me invalid:

 - Neurological damage caused by vaccine injury (which does happen and is admitted to by all authorities) is either there in an obvious negative impact (e.g., made a kid into diaper clad invalid) or had zero impact at all.

Seems to me much more likely that people are impacted on a scale from nothing to death.  Very few people experience an obvious deficit, but a very large percentage may experience a shaving of a few points off of their IQ, or a few microseconds off of their reaction time, or a few percentage less sperm count or whatever.

From a system architects point of view (someone shaping society at large) this would be a fine outcome.  It would translate into millions of people staying with mainstream media and being satisfied as an example.

Of course society wide neurological properties are not the only thing an architect might shoot to manipulate.  When it comes to vaccination it is probably more about creating a few million more people who need treatment for their chronic asthma, or $4000 bee sting kits, or countless other pharmaceutical needs.

^^^ Right! And consider how great your thinking might be if you hadn't had all these shots to dumb you down.

I'm in the same boat.  I got the standard 7 shots in the late 60's early 70's that we all did.  I got the standard right-of-passage childhood ailments that we all did (chicken-pox, mumps, etc) and have life-long immunity and an immune system which was exercised in the normal way for human beings.  These right-of-passage illnesses tend to be no bigger a deal than the common cold most of the time.  I've got almost no ailments of any kind at age 52 and I've not even bothered getting a checkup for a decade.  I get the seasonal flu half the time but it never even keeps me from working outdoors.  Certainly I'm not in the 75% of my age cohort who is on one or more prescription meds.

I also happen to have gotten a shit-load of vaccinations in the military when I was a healthy 20 year old.  That was 'gulf war' time period under GHW Bush, and it's pretty clear to me now that they were doing a ton of testing.  During basic I and another guy did not experience certain very painful symptoms which effected the rest of the people in my training company.  At permanent station we all got scheduled for for different 'boosters'.  I may have been in a control group, or I may be a person who's body is just not very sensitive to certain kinds of assaults.  Or both.

People tend, for some reason, to make certain assumptions which are, to me, simply not valid:

 - The technology and ingredients of vaccines have not changed in 50 years.  (Never mind that the number of dosing have exploded since I was a kid.)

 - The same vaccine formulations used in different populations all over the world.  A measles shot is a measles shot is a measles shot no matter if it is in some 'least developed' country or in the West.  This is demonstrable not true.  Even in Germany the government ministers and military get Baxter H1N1 while the peeps get GSK.

 - The makeup of the board of directors of the big pharma companies, and the amount of influence their lobbying money has had on the government and regulatory agencies has not changed in 50 years.  I find this suggestion ludicrous.

You seem like a sensible guy actually.  I would urge you to be careful about assumptions as you continue your analysis.  Just double-check that they are valid if viewed from the alternate hypothesis.

They might have a better immune system, the problem, however, is that vaccines are used to stop deadly diseases so you basically have 2 outcomes:

1. People with a weaker immune system

2. 95% of the population wiped out due to terrible diseases that weren't stopped with vaccines and we simply waited for some small amount of people to develop immune systems strong enough to stop them (this is also evolution btw)

^^^ The vaccinations HAVE affected you. When they were given, they activated your immune system in some strong ways, weakening it at the same time.

If you haven't had any more of them for a long time, your immune system has grown strong again, naturally repairing itself. It might be strong enough by now that you could withstand detrimental affects from a few vaccinations right now.

But don't think that it didn't change you. There are subtle mental changes that have taken place in you. They might even have affected some of the big descissions you made in life.

The big problem with today's vaccines is that they contain all kinds of crap in them that is poisoning anyone who gets them. And, they are being used more and more, both by government mandate, and by the stupidity of people who think that they aren't really all that harmful.

I was vaccinated years ago (in the 1960s). I'm very good health (outside a bum knee - but that was my fault). And - it's not just me. I know other many other people in excellent health.

What stands us apart is not the fact that we didn't get vaccines but that we eat well and exercise religiously.

So - why have the vaccines not affected us? (I'm not talking about people in their 20s. I'm talking about people 50+ who should be feeling the affects of the vaccines as well as old age.)

Ah, charts. Now you're speaking my language. If this chart is accurate then I would have to say that you're on to something. (Now when I said "if" I'm not calling you out. I have to double check things for myself.)

But this is very, very interesting. Thx.

It seems to me that we live in a society where people lose their trust in official information and authorities.
That's why people are looking for information on the Internet and believe in various conspiracy theories.
That's why people are acting irrationally and sometimes jeopardize their health and the health of their children.
Virtually no one believes in facts, and politicians and media have lost the authority which they once had.

You want people to be chronically ill for life so that they keep coming back to the barn and paying.  Chronic ailments which do not keep one from their also showing up at work most of the time are perfect, and a lot of the autoimmunity related problems which have undergone explosive growth since the mid 80's when vaccine manufacturers were given immunity from liability lawsuits (vaccines only) are perfect.

Cool story Bro, but you could throw a dart to pick where 'vaccines came along' in the curve of mortality from a lot of these ailments.



Sharp eyed observers may note that there never was a vaccine for Scarlett Fever, but 'people stopped dying' of that too oddly enough.

Even our highly medicated/vaccinated/fluoridated people of 2019 could, with monumental effort, look at the little characters on the left side of the graph and disabuse themselves of the notion that back in the day people were more likely than not to die of measles or whatever.  Most of the 'problem' has been massively hyped into existance, and apparently to get it so that Big Brother can mandate a situation where the peeps show up at the clinic when instructed to have anything desired by his cousin Big Pharma injected directly into their blood streams.

Then why are fewer people contracting measles, small pox, polio, etc...

People were getting these diseases and dying. Then the vaccines came and people stopped dying.

Now you're saying that the vaccines make us sick on purpose? If they wanted us sick why not do nothing and let people die of small pox?

It doesn't quite work that way. The problem is that very young children are not able to get vaccines until a certain age.

So you might have an anti-vaxer parent convinced that medical science doesn't apply to them, or doctors are liars and chooses not to vaccinate their older kid. This kid then gets something like the measles, and then goes to daycare or school and passes it onto a kid who was too young to get vaccinated.

This kind of issue is literally what's happening and why people are rightly concerned by the anti-vax movement. It is no coincidence that the incidence of these conditions is increasing while immunisation rates are going down.

So the people you list as 'readers of propaganda' are impacted (and potentially having their children become very sick or killed) by the decisions of those who, for whatever reason, think the science of vaccination doesn't apply to them or their family.

Also, if it was all a conspiracy - then why would their be a lower age limit for when kids can start getting vaccinated? Surely Big Pharma would want to get in early on the money train... its almost like the age limit is based on evidence for when it is best time to get vaccinated

I'm no friend of Big Pharma - but I do believe in well established medical science.

People who are against vaccination are like vegans or jehovah witnesses or flat earthers. Complete idiots.

^^^ Vaccines are a good stab at making you well.

If a nation of people has never been vaccinated, they might have a reasonably good immune system. But the immune system still isn't perfect. When a disease comes along, it might damage the nation. All that vaccines do is shift the immune system overdrive. The immune system kills off the disease, but is weakened when it does this. If no more vaccinations are given, the immune system will gain most of its strength back.

There are a couple problems with this:
1. The immune system never gains as much strength back as it had originally, so the "victim" is susceptible to more diseases;
2. The immune system has learned to fight vaccines a little, so further vaccinations aren't as effective, or they weaken the immune system further.

If you are saved from a dreadful disease by being vaccinated, then stop further vaccinations. They only weaken your system so that you will need more of them.

If you have been vaccinated for anything, work as hard as you can with good nutrition to build your immune system up again. Depending on your age, it might take as much as a couple of years or more to flush the vaccine poison from your body after it has done its job.

Vaccines are not natural. Essentially all of the times you get stabbed in nature - snake bites, spider bites, thorns, certain fish, any animal bite, etc. - the stabs cause infection, illness, and often death. Vaccine stabs do the same. It's just that they are often more subtle about it. But sometimes they kill and paralyze almost immediately. Stay away from them except in emergency situations, like where you might die with or without them.

Maybe because they are not sure if it is really safe.there some point the needle they use is unsafe.they never trust if it is really safe and the effect they dont know yet if is really for good.maybe that is the one reason for I know.