What is in mind of those, who against vaccination? - page 11.

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Quote from: StaffDear on May 30, 2019, 05:53:05 AM

The history of mankind should learn people smth. But, it is not. Many diseases dissapeared just because of vaccines. But some people forgot about that. They think that it has nothing to do with them. The fear of vaccination is stronger than the fear of death. I'm afraid that many deadly diseases can return someday.

There are so many cases of patients with measles in my country, but it still not encourage most people to vaccinate their children. They think it's a light child disease. And never speak about complications, that they children may have after measles.

How is the situation with vaccination in your country? Why do you think many people against vaccination?

Here in our country vaccine can be trusted for
We seen the good effect of vaccination here in our country
Proven preventing some diseases because of vaccine.
Why dont want a vaccine? Is it just because of they think of unsafe process and unreliable if its really good for health.

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Quote from: Astargath on June 03, 2019, 07:36:34 AM

Quote from: Jet Cash on May 31, 2019, 01:15:02 PM

You guys need to forget about the old vaccines, and look seriously at the modern vaccines. These are full of poisons and are designed to reduce fertility and weaken immune systems. They are also a major profit source for Big Pharma, and a way to divert funding from more productive health care. If vaccines really worked, then it wouldn't matter if some people chose not to vaccinate, as the "protected" readers of propaganda would not be affected. The very fact that they need to impose their ill considered injection of poison and disease into healthy people indicates that vaccines are not effective.

Thats a silly argument, just because some people are vaccinated it doesnt mean they are totally immune and the disease could evolve while active in other people.

If I remember correctly most vaccines require several boosters and some have to taken regularly (flu vaccines). There's plenty of opportunity for the companies to make money without having to poison their clients.

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Quote from: Astargath on June 03, 2019, 12:59:04 PM

Everyone wants to make money. What you said was already discussed and shown not to be true, I can also show thousands of safety tests done.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
https://www.fda.gov/files/vaccines,%20blood%20&%20biologics/published/Ensuring-the-Safety-of-Vaccines-in-the-United-States.pdf
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-development

Being able to show some tests doesn't do much of anything if you don't show the tests and their results... like your links don't.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 03, 2019, 12:49:30 PM

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on June 01, 2019, 05:49:41 PM

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

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Can you prove they are refusing to do safety tests? Just because somewhere someone didn't test something it doesn't mean governments all over the world are in on it and are trying to poison people.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/debunking-myths-about-vaccine-testing-and-safety/

Simple.

The medical wants to make money.

Presenting successful safety tests would make people so comfortable with vaccines that they would flock to get theirs.

The thing that happened was:
1. Robert Kennedy and his group tried to get the safety tests;
2. The medical wouldn't present them;
3. Kennedy did a FOIA request;
4. The medical didn't present the tests - not even one - at the FOIA-government demand.

Now, either you accept this as proof that there aren't any successful tests, or you recognize that the medical is simply evil.

Or do you have some other excuse why the money-hungry medical wouldn't further their own financial enhancement in the tremendous way that successful safety tests would have?

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Everyone wants to make money. What you said was already discussed and shown not to be true, I can also show thousands of safety tests done.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
https://www.fda.gov/files/vaccines,%20blood%20&%20biologics/published/Ensuring-the-Safety-of-Vaccines-in-the-United-States.pdf
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-development

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Quote from: Astargath on June 03, 2019, 11:26:46 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 03, 2019, 09:35:26 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on June 01, 2019, 05:49:41 PM

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

Cool

Can you prove they are refusing to do safety tests? Just because somewhere someone didn't test something it doesn't mean governments all over the world are in on it and are trying to poison people.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/debunking-myths-about-vaccine-testing-and-safety/

Simple.

The medical wants to make money.

Presenting successful safety tests would make people so comfortable with vaccines that they would flock to get theirs.

The thing that happened was:
1. Robert Kennedy and his group tried to get the safety tests;
2. The medical wouldn't present them;
3. Kennedy did a FOIA request;
4. The medical didn't present the tests - not even one - at the FOIA-government demand.

Now, either you accept this as proof that there aren't any successful tests, or you recognize that the medical is simply evil.

Or do you have some other excuse why the money-hungry medical wouldn't further their own financial enhancement in the tremendous way that successful safety tests would have?

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I agree with Jetcash and BADecker, vaccines are pure poison and they are created to make us sick, weak, and stupid. Heavy amounts of mercury and other neurotoxins, it puzzles me how anyone could think the government is trying to help us with vaccines.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 03, 2019, 09:35:26 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on June 01, 2019, 05:49:41 PM

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

Cool

Can you prove they are refusing to do safety tests? Just because somewhere someone didn't test something it doesn't mean governments all over the world are in on it and are trying to poison people.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/debunking-myths-about-vaccine-testing-and-safety/

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on June 01, 2019, 05:49:41 PM

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on June 01, 2019, 05:49:41 PM

Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

I read that vaccines are the tool to spread the unknown disease to dense populated countries then they will make profits from selling medicine for that diseases.

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liife threw a tempest at you? be a coconut !

Quote from: StaffDear on May 30, 2019, 05:53:05 AM

What is in mind of those, who against vaccination?

Knowledge, science, independent and critical thinking, common sense... among others.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on May 31, 2019, 01:15:02 PM

You guys need to forget about the old vaccines, and look seriously at the modern vaccines. These are full of poisons and are designed to reduce fertility and weaken immune systems. They are also a major profit source for Big Pharma, and a way to divert funding from more productive health care. If vaccines really worked, then it wouldn't matter if some people chose not to vaccinate, as the "protected" readers of propaganda would not be affected. The very fact that they need to impose their ill considered injection of poison and disease into healthy people indicates that vaccines are not effective.

Thats a silly argument, just because some people are vaccinated it doesnt mean they are totally immune and the disease could evolve while active in other people.

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As far as I'm concerned, the CDC has been stone-cold busted covering up data which showed a problem with MMR and trying to dispose of the data to hide the problem. This is described in the documentary 'vaxxed'. Nobody has ever officially denied anything which whistleblower Dr. Thompson said so I have no reason to doubt that it is 100% true.

Because of the above, it is simple logic that NOTHING which the CDC says or does vis-a-vis vaccinations (at the very least) can be trusted. This is a simple fallout of logical rigour people!

Most of the time a pro-vaxxer will shove CDC literature in a person face to 'make a point.' It is valueless. Or worse! This is a corrupt organization which is bought off by big pharma. Worse still, the mindest of 'to many people', 'maximize profits', and 'control the plebs' is well represented among the people who sit on the boards of the corporations who own the big pharma corporations and it is exactly these people who call the shots. Both within the corporations R&D, and within the CDC who's top management will revolve right into a 6 or 7 figure jobs when their 'public service' is done.

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Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

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^^^ Nice links. But we can see that the CDC could have easily turned over the testing reports to RFK if they had any:

Quote from: https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-11-11-rfk-jr-wins-case-us-government-vaccine-safety-violations.html

ICAN was therefore forced to file a lawsuit to force HHS to either provide copies of its biennial vaccine safety reports to Congress or admit it never filed these reports. The result of the lawsuit is that HHS had to finally and shockingly admit that it never, not even once, submitted a single biennial report to Congress detailing the improvements in vaccine safety. This speaks volumes to the seriousness by which vaccine safety is treated at HHS and heightens the concern that HHS doesn’t have a clue as to the actual safety profile of the now 29 doses, and growing, of vaccines given by one year of age.

Despite being charged with the responsibility of investigating and improving vaccine safety DHHS has apparently failed to meet even the most basic aspects of this duty by failing to file a single report for the past thirty years. Three decades have passed since NVICA was put into place, and DHHS has never so much as raised a finger towards vaccine safety — an issue which should be a top priority, especially given the fact that NVICA erases industry responsibility regarding vaccine injuries.

Nice links you have there.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on June 01, 2019, 02:13:50 AM

The anti-vaxxers are primarily influenced by mis/dis-information that has as of recently been spread by social media. Social media such as Facebook has allowed people to spread inaccurate information without any real damage to their reputations, or any other ramifications.

Quote from: BADecker on June 01, 2019, 09:19:36 AM

^^^ You or anyone are certainly welcome to provide some safety reports. We would love to see some long-term safety reports, scientifically done, that show how safe vaccines are. Please show us something that contradicts the CDC's own reports about all the bad stuff in their own vaccines.

I found this on the CDC website, that cites many studies over many years that say there is no link between the thimerosal found in vaccines and Autism.

I would also encourage anyone with concerns about their children receiving vaccines to review the CDC Vaccine Safety Publications by Year website.

Not every child is healthy enough to receive vaccines, and when this is the case, the child's pediatrician will advise the child's partent this. When many children do not receive vaccines for reasons other than not being healthy enough, there is a risk the child will get sick with an illness the vaccine is supposed to prevent, and the illness spreads to many other unvaccinated children, including those who legitimately cannot receive the vaccine.

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^^^ You or anyone are certainly welcome to provide some safety reports. We would love to see some long-term safety reports, scientifically done, that show how safe vaccines are. Please show us something that contradicts the CDC's own reports about all the bad stuff in their own vaccines.

If you really trust medical people that much, please trust me by donating a bitcoin to my address listed below.

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The anti-vaxxers are primarily influenced by mis/dis-information that has as of recently been spread by social media. Social media such as Facebook has allowed people to spread inaccurate information without any real damage to their reputations, or any other ramifications.

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Nobody has figure out how to cure the disease of death. All the medical is doing with vaccines is speeding it up a little.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on May 30, 2019, 09:29:41 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on May 30, 2019, 06:00:12 AM

those are muslim extremists or black afriacan racists or potentially future chinese and indian racists/expansionsits that want to "zerg" their enemies other civilisations or what they think of what is the "other"

because they think that vaccination slows down the human population growth, so the african nature and social infrastructure have at least a chance of being sufficient

What I find ironic is that this anti-vacc movement started in America. From what we know about North America's history, one reason Europeans managed to settle it fairly easily was when they arrived, the larger native settlements has already been depopulated by a more recent contact that has spread diseases. In Central and South America, the disease came right with the conquistadores.

I'm not sure I really get the irony. Disease always comes with contact with distant groups of people. This wasn't appreciated in the 15thC. The germ theory of disease wasn't developed until the end of the 19th C.

And the people in North America now have NOTHING to do with the conquistadors. In fact the conquistadors (although European) had little to do with what's now the United States.

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There aren't any safety studies. If there were, they would be readily presented. But Big Pharm can't present something they don't have.

Part II: Cholesterol Lowering Medications and Vaccines Are Safe? Where Are the Safety Studies?

Quote from: https://www.drbrownstein.com/cholesterol-lowering-medications-and-vaccines/

Recall that in the fake placebo, polysorbate 20 was a main ingredient. I surmised that perhaps the high rate of serious adverse effects in the fake placebo was due to the polysorbate 20. Please refer to my original blog from May 3rd, 2019 "New Cholesterol-Lowering Medications Associated with 25% SEVERE Adverse Effects!"

Polysorbate is used widely in medicines as a dispersing agent—it helps the medicine absorb better. Polysorbate 80 is also found in many vaccines. As I will show you in this post, similar to polysorbate 20, polysorbate 80 has not been properly studied–especially as an injectable agent.

The Powers-That-Be state that vaccines are safe and effective. To make the 'safety' claim, one would think that there must be many studies on the safety of injectable items before they are allowed to come to market. If the FDA, CDC, and HHS were doing their jobs, there would be appropriate safety studies on injectable ingredients. However, for over 25 years, I have been writing about the failure of our Governmental agencies to oversee The Big Pharma Cartel. This colossal failure is a large part of why we are spending so much money on health care yet we continually rank last (or next to last), when compared to other Western countries, on every health indicator according to the WHO.

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