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legendary
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We cannot blame people to be wary of vaccines because of the death toll parents are now afraid to let their children take vaccination.

Actually, it is perfectly possible to blame the people who are wary and don't tow the corp/gov party line.  If everyone just shut up and let big pharma and their bought-and-paid-for politicians do whatever they wanted without anyone calling attention to the damage, the 'problem' of people's perceptions of vaccines would be greatly reduced.

So, to a degree it is legitimate the blame the 'problem' on those who study the science and think for themselves.  Maybe the problems wouldn't be such a big issue if they just shut their mouths, protected their own children as best they can, and minded their own business.  Indeed, their own unvaccinated children will be even more competitive when the majority of their peers are vaccine damaged.  The problem is more with people who are educated AND have ethics which won't let them just keep their mouths shut and go with the flow.  Fortunately for corp/gov there are relatively few such people in this Ven diagram.

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The history of mankind should learn people smth. But, it is not. Many diseases dissapeared just because of vaccines. But some people forgot about that. They think that it has nothing to do with them. The fear of vaccination is stronger than the fear of death. I'm afraid that many deadly diseases can return someday.

There are so many cases of patients with measles in my country, but it still not encourage most people to vaccinate their children. They think it's a light child disease. And never speak about complications, that they children may have after measles.

How is the situation with vaccination in your country? Why do you think many people against vaccination?

The reason depends on what kind of vaccines being used. In the past vaccines has helped a lot of people combat disease but is not the case nowadays. There are now vaccines that instead of helping it actually causes sickness and death. Here in the Phillipines hundreds of children died from being injected with the compulsory dengvaxia vaccines in the schools. After the vaccination months after children being vaccinated were sent to the hospital and many have died.

We cannot blame people to be wary of vaccines because of the death toll parents are now afraid to let their children take vaccination.
legendary
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There will always be a contingent who thinks like me.

yes, there will always be ignorants by choice. Maybe you don't understand the word "erradication".

Well, but anyway you can find more information about this work here:

http://polioeradication.org/tools-and-library/policy-reports/certification-reports/global-certification-commission/

and here

https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/polioviruscontainment/implementing_containment.htm
https://wwwn.cdc.gov/dcs/contactus/form 800-232-4636


Most of these 'trade organizations' are dedicated to milking the {insert disease here} franchise and do everything they can to make sure that the money keeps flowing from the vitcims into their coffers.  That means putting a dedicated and well funded effort into NOT finding out what is actually going on with the disease.

The CDC has a long history of corruption, data destruction, big-pharma collusion, etc.

Please give me one valid reason why I should take anything these 'information' sources as anything resembling 'truth'?

I read the crap these outfits put out mostly to find out what the enemy (of humanity) is up to and what strategies they are pursuing.  If a legitimate political entity cleaned house in these organizations I might go back to trusting some of what they say, but I don't see any way we'll (the U.S.) will ever again have a political system which could or would do it.

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There will always be a contingent who thinks like me.

yes, there will always be ignorants by choice. Maybe you don't understand the word "erradication".

Well, but anyway you can find more information about this work here:

http://polioeradication.org/tools-and-library/policy-reports/certification-reports/global-certification-commission/

and here

https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/polioviruscontainment/implementing_containment.htm
https://wwwn.cdc.gov/dcs/contactus/form 800-232-4636

btw, my favorite satoshi's quote:

Quote from: satoshi
If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.

It's always present and multipurpose  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Well, despite all the obscurantism of our times, science continues to advance. I hope that one day the facts will start to be taken into consideration, even by those who still prefer "opinions".

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/were-closer-to-eradicating-polio-from-the-planet-2-of-3-strains-now-wiped-out/

This Arstechnica article makes no efforts to explore other valid ecological questions about the phenomenon.  It presents very questionable conjectures as 'fact'.  This is not science.  It's propaganda.  To their credit they do mention that the mutant viral strain from the vaccines are maiming a lot more people than the wild types but they carefully word things so that an ignorant reader's eyes will glaze over.

As best I can tell, you, and most 'normal people, consider something to be a 'fact' if it was communicated by mainstream media and an 'opinion' if it is not.

I can tell you that I will not trust any 'facts' presented by those who routinely rely on fraud, pay-offs, re-writing history, bogus science, and base scare tactics to get people to believe what they want people to believe.  The fact that they have to employ these tactics tells me that they don't have a case and are hiding some things.

There will always be a contingent who thinks like me.

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Well, despite all the obscurantism of our times, science continues to advance. I hope that one day the facts will start to be taken into consideration, even by those who still prefer "opinions".

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/were-closer-to-eradicating-polio-from-the-planet-2-of-3-strains-now-wiped-out/
legendary
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many people oppose vaccination in my country because sometimes the vaccine makes children sick.
the fear experienced by parents for child vaccination is spreading because of vaccine errors that seem to be only as experimental material.
if there were socialization and openness to the material used for the vaccine it might be a different story.
Only sometimes. How about when they stopped giving their children vital vaccines, what happened? Observe and get updated to the news, you most probably notice that children tend to get sick oftenly

Anyway, why they are just reacting soo very late? I presume that vaccines in your country are mandated to be given on childrens many decades ago 'til now and yet nothing bad happens but now they suddenly doubt its effectiveness? I can't understand why they're doing this.

Not all vaccines are created equal.

The medical wants to make money. If they can make vaccines work long enough to hook people on them, that's what they will do. Once the people are hooked, it's then that they start using vaccines to keep people in a state of moderate health. Why do they do this? Several reasons. But the biggest is to get the people to have to come back to buy more medical.

In addition, legally mandated safety testing on vaccines hasn't been done. When you or I break the law, we are stopped from doing so in the future. If we don't stop, we are sent to prison. Why does the medical keep on breaking the law by not doing the mandated safety studies, but they don't go to prison?

Here's why. Too much money in it. Government people are being paid off to look the other way.

Bottom line... $$$money$$$.

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many people oppose vaccination in my country because sometimes the vaccine makes children sick.
the fear experienced by parents for child vaccination is spreading because of vaccine errors that seem to be only as experimental material.
if there were socialization and openness to the material used for the vaccine it might be a different story.
Only sometimes. How about when they stopped giving their children vital vaccines, what happened? Observe and get updated to the news, you most probably notice that children tend to get sick oftenly

Anyway, why they are just reacting soo very late? I presume that vaccines in your country are mandated to be given on childrens many decades ago 'til now and yet nothing bad happens but now they suddenly doubt its effectiveness? I can't understand why they're doing this.
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UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control
all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy,
all education, all information, and all human beings in the world.  

INVENTORY AND CONTROL.

Edit:  Knowing the existence and parameters of a 'thing' is what gives it a trade-able value on the market.  By inventorying and putting everything on earth under control the 'net present value' of the planet increases dramatically.  'Economic growth' on the planet is by no means finished.  If anything it is just getting started.  This is what is meant to some by the term 'Beast System.'

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Vaccines have changed, and they are no longer a part of so-called health care, but are now part of the global eugenics programme, The brainwashing is performed by false propaganda based on manipulated facts, and a lack of stats based on anything other than very short term results.

I hope this program succeed. Everyday we get closer to a New World Order based on the globalist agenda and our Great Leader George Soros will be the King of this Beloved Flat Mother Earth. If the natural selection didn't work, let the vaccines do the job! hohoho Grin Unfortunately some people are breaking free from our "scientific propaganda" and the so called "critical thinking", but they are a few ones. There's no tinfoil for everyone hohoho  Cheesy
legendary
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Go to the site and click on the links to see the details. This x-Merck joker is going to get himself assassinated, or at least blacklisted, for telling the truth.


Former Merck Scientist Explains Why He Doesn’t Vaccinate His Children Due to Lack of Vaccine Safety Studies



Araujo relates that as he began to ask questions about vaccine efficacy and safety, the answers were not there. His research showed him that the robust science and quality controls present in regular drug manufacturing did not seem to be present with vaccine manufacturing. So he and his wife decided not to vaccinate their children, and today they are all "super healthy."



I have been tracking this problem for years and could never find useful supporting science. This expert is saying as much.  The whole industry has actually run a scientific fraud from almost inception.  The industry itself was based on one exceptional case in which cow pox served to protect against the hyper deadly Small pox.
 
Nothing else has ever had those particular characteristics and instead it shifted to weakened forms of the target disease.  This was successful for some target pathogens and that was good.  It just does not hold true for every pathogen at all.
 
The pathogens susceptable to this system were also susceptible to superior sanitation as well.  Thus this one two asault on certain obvious problem pathogens has created today sanitary environment in which we are never really exposed.  How much was done by vaccination is not so clear.
 
What is certain is that we have a rising epidemic of  induced Autism clearly caused by the injection of foreign substances directly into the bloodstream and bypassing the digestive system and the liver.  Worse we propose to sharply increase this loading as well by forced vaccination of multiple vaccines for rarely encountered diseases.  This cannot end well.


Bonus: Medical Doctors Opposed to Forced Vaccinations – Should Their Views be Silenced? - https://vaccineimpact.com/2015/medical-doctors-opposed-to-forced-vaccinations-should-their-views-be-silenced/


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many people oppose vaccination in my country because sometimes the vaccine makes children sick.
the fear experienced by parents for child vaccination is spreading because of vaccine errors that seem to be only as experimental material.
if there were socialization and openness to the material used for the vaccine it might be a different story.
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The same Sanofi-Pastuer and the same basic government that did Dengvaxia has been and is responsible for 'ordinary' vaccines as well.  How can you believe that they act differently in the Dengvaxia case than they act with vaccinations generally?
First of all, as far as I know Sanofi-Pasteur got no relations with the implementation and distribution of other vaccines here in our country. It only handled the vaccinations for dengue prevention before and we all knew it failed.

And for your question, the use of Dengvaxia and other vaccines was way different to one another. I heard so many news during those times that the reason why it failed is because of misapplication. After the tragic incident, they said that it was only allowed to inject only for those who got no history of dengue fever but how come that even who already experienced dengue fever before still got vaccinanted? Whose mistake is that? Well, the parents took only part of it but it was mainly mistake of the company because of lack of public announcements. I also heard even more rumors and different perceptions about it but sorry I forgot all of it so I will refer you here for further info. The bottomline, the other vaccines used in our country such as Oral Polio Vaccine, Measles Vaccines etc.are already proven and tested throughout the years of use, while on the other hand Dengvaxia is questionable in all aspects and came from a careless  company.
legendary
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By the way, did it ever occur to you to look into the Dengvaxia issue and analyze how and why it came about.

What do you mean? Are you asking me if I got dengue before or am I a victim of this Dengvaxia issue? ...


I mean just what I said in the text you clipped.

The Dengvaxia fiasco came about because of negligence and malfeasance on the part of Sanofi-Pastuer who influenced negligent and malfeasant elements of the government.

The same Sanofi-Pastuer and the same basic government that did Dengvaxia has been and is responsible for 'ordinary' vaccines as well.  How can you believe that they act differently in the Dengvaxia case than they act with vaccinations generally?

legendary
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What country?
Philippines dude.
By the way, did it ever occur to you to look into the Dengvaxia issue and analyze how and why it came about.
What do you mean? Are you asking me if I got dengue before or am I a victim of this Dengvaxia issue? If the first one then YES, I also got a dengue fever twice; first is when I was in highschool and the second is when I was on 1st year college. But if you mean the latter one then my answer is NO, i'm not a victim but I can relate to them because I know the struggle of having a dengue I just can't believe how it come that so far up to extent of fatalities.

Anyway, what I'm only pointing here is that parents must continue giving their child vaccines for prevent other diseases. They have no choice but to remove the stigma in their minds brought by the Dengvaxia incident. I know that fear and doubts are eating them but they should conquer it because becoming an anti-vaxx parent is a bad idea.

Bad for people who break the law. Good for their children's wellness.

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legendary
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I personally am against mandatory vaccinations vaccines can kill people, it must be a choice of people

I respect your opinion but vaccine too can save people's lives too. There are already proven vaccines that really help, eradicate diseases and the list are going. Vaccines are  are product of thousands of hours of research by men and women dedicated to improve our life and human conditions. Though there are vaccines too that really cause not good to some, and needs to research more, but above all, vaccines really helps.

Lots of people say what you do, but where are the studies that are backed by PEOPLE who will swear to it in court... that they KNOW that vaccines work, and that they have substantial evidence that is viewable, and witnesses that show that the evidence is not made up, courtroom style?

After all, government made a law that said that vaccine companies had to do safety tests. When Robert Kennedy, Jr., required government and the medical to show the safety tests for the 30 years following when the law was made, they couldn't produce even one safety test.

I am not the worlds best typist. But you can get some good typists to make up all kinds of stories that say that vaccines work. But there doesn't appear to be anything more than stories. And the required safety tests are either non-existent, or they were so unsafe that government and the medical won't show them.

Let's get the doctors and researchers to court under oath with their studies and find out if there really is any vaccine safety, or even efficacy. Let's see their evidence, their tests, how they did them, with witnesses as to the results, all under oath, and compared with standard scientific evaluation that makes sense.

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What country?
Philippines dude.
By the way, did it ever occur to you to look into the Dengvaxia issue and analyze how and why it came about.
What do you mean? Are you asking me if I got dengue before or am I a victim of this Dengvaxia issue? If the first one then YES, I also got a dengue fever twice; first is when I was in highschool and the second is when I was on 1st year college. But if you mean the latter one then my answer is NO, i'm not a victim but I can relate to them because I know the struggle of having a dengue I just can't believe how it come that so far up to extent of fatalities.

Anyway, what I'm only pointing here is that parents must continue giving their child vaccines for prevent other diseases. They have no choice but to remove the stigma in their minds brought by the Dengvaxia incident. I know that fear and doubts are eating them but they should conquer it because becoming an anti-vaxx parent is a bad idea.
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I personally am against mandatory vaccinations vaccines can kill people, it must be a choice of people

I respect your opinion but vaccine too can save people's lives too. There are already proven vaccines that really help, eradicate diseases and the list are going. Vaccines are  are product of thousands of hours of research by men and women dedicated to improve our life and human conditions. Though there are vaccines too that really cause not good to some, and needs to research more, but above all, vaccines really helps.
legendary
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The history of mankind should learn people smth. But, it is not. Many diseases dissapeared just because of vaccines. But some people forgot about that. They think that it has nothing to do with them. The fear of vaccination is stronger than the fear of death. I'm afraid that many deadly diseases can return someday.

There are so many cases of patients with measles in my country, but it still not encourage most people to vaccinate their children. They think it's a light child disease. And never speak about complications, that they children may have after measles.

How is the situation with vaccination in your country? Why do you think many people against vaccination?

The problem in my country, from my observation, is due to poor sensitization and lack of accurate source of information. People who cant read tend to rely on what they hear others say. Unfortunately, the rumors are mostly negative. The way forward, I believe, is proper public education on the essence of vaccines, risks associated with skipping and so on. You cant transform all but majority may be brought into the light.

Exactly! It's sanitation, hygiene, good vibes, and good nutrition that protect from diseases way more than the best benefits from vaccines could. But when you add the diseases that vaccines cause, vaccines should be outlaw... at least in the form that they are being mass produced in today.

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