Topic: What is in mind of those, who against vaccination? - page 9. (Read 2352 times)

You have the freedom to post the things that you post, because God gave humans freedom. Would you rather not have freedom, and do everything simply by instinct?

God is not unjust. He offers you the chance to use your freedom to turn to Him and accept forgiveness and be saved. It is your choice if you don't turn. You, especially, know this from all the talking we have been doing.

Do you really not like having free choice? If you really don't like free will and choice, prove it by not exercising it any longer. Stop not posting in the forum.

One also might say that god wasnt a very good creator and allowed humans to get infections because he couldnt design us in a better way. You know, you can put it any way you want really.

A lot of them think that it has given a rise to autism. You never know. It might be easy is it to hack our vaccines.

^^^ Well, I suppose you could make a case that Oxygen is the culprit, and that it is Oxygen that is allowing us to get the infections in the first place.

 

I wouldn't put it that way.  More technically accurate to say that it increase the turbo boost and adds nitrous oxide to ONE PART of the immune system to try to make it do one specific (and usually unnecessary) thing well.  Namely, produce titters which are effective against one thing (since, by law, 'effective' means that the body has a certain level of titters against a particular reagent.)

The natural way of obtaining most of these ailments is to get infected through the pulmonary or digestive systems defenses.  This activates parts of the immune system which vaccines ignore.  If the infection makes it through then the part of the immune system which creates antibodies goes into action.

The immune system is also responsible for destroying one's own native cells as well if they need destroying (e.g., become cancerous or whatever.)  This is a tricky balance for the immune system.

Vaccines, by turbo-charging one part of the immune system unnaturally, seem to throw the immune system into a state of destructive confusion leading to a cascade of autoimmunity issues in some people.  Asthma, allergies, arthritis, etc, etc, etc.  (Just so happens that this in turn results into a cascade of cash for pharmaceutical corporations and the medical/industrial complex of some countries...just saying.)

Most engines actually could take a blast of nitrous oxide for a few seconds to let one's car pass.  It would not be good for the piston rings and may shorten the engines life expectancy by a few years way down the road, but for the most part nobody would be the wiser.  Other engines would throw a rod on the spot.  The human body is little different.  Some people can handle more stress than other people.

I understand people who are into conspiracies being strongly against vaccinations. Not that I believe in those conspiracies. I don't. But I understand there are hardcore conspiracy theorists.

What I don't understand are the people who won't for religious reasons. Because vaccines are a new thing in the grand scheme of things. So who made up these rules for them? It's not like it says in the bible that you shouldn't. The do not vaccinate your children due to religion is a completely man made rule.

You know what's funny, if you apply the same argument against miracles, you wouldn't agree. You claim miracles are because of god but all that has been proven is that some people got healed, it might have been the cycle of life or a simple coincidence and timing made it look like it was god. You agree?

Vaccines have NOT been proven to work. All that has been proven is that something worked. It might have been the life cycle of the "bug in question." But the timing made it look like it was the vaccine.

However, even if vaccines work, get vaccinated for one thing, and then wait for years, letting the immune system purge the vaccine poisons, before you get another. Getting loads of vaccines at once simply weakens the immune system, making you vulnerable to all kinds of stuff. In addition, there are loads of side effects that will show up later.

Can you link real figures then? I'm sorry but vaccines have been proven to work, they have stopped terrible diseases, yes, vaccines have side effects just like any other drug/medicine, however the benefits far outweigh the risks.

in their mind there is bitcoin sv potential

Since vaccines are accepted because of the belief of the people, the whole vaccination thing is similar to a religion... based on belief or faith. This makes vaccination a religion rather than a medical thing. We have freedom of religion in our country, so Big Pharma can get away with it as long as the people believe... whether or not there are any facts behind the safety of vaccination.

Well, in my country vaccination is not quite available for the people. It's not free, at least only in some cases (like if u are disabled person or military). But still, this procedure is important for personal health.

We are trying to make people aware of the damage caused by vaccination, but so many people believe the false figures pushed by big pharma, that it is an uphill struggle. America is the most heavily vaccinated country in the world, and it has the worst health of any developed nation. It also has the highest medical costs to attempt to cope with the damage caused by pharmaceuticals and vaccination.

Obviously big pharma doesnt have the best reputation but vaccines have been proven to not cause autism. "Researchers now link falling immunization rates to recent resurgences of vaccine-preventable diseases. In 2010, California saw 9,120 cases of whooping cough, more than any year since the whooping cough vaccine was introduced in the 1940s. Ten infants too young to be vaccinated died of whooping cough during the outbreak. The CDC warns that events like these will become more frequent and harder to control if vaccination rates continue to fall"
https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/

Of course conspiracy believers will not look at that evidence.

The most horrible is the fact that kids suffer form their parents ignorance

Are you talking about the medical spreading fear of illness? Or the anti-vaxxers spreading the warnings?

People are scared; plain and simple.

Fear sells pretty well.

Think about what they gain by spreading the fear?

https://history.nih.gov/research/downloads/nuremberg.pdf

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THE NUREMBERG CODE

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
    This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be
so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element
of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter
element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental
subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment;
the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably
to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his
participation in the experiment.
    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each
individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and
responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society,
unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation
and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the
anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental
suffering and injury.

5. No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that
death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the
experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian
importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the
experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest
degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who
conduct or engage in the experiment.

9. During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the
experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the
experiment seemed to him to be impossible.

10. During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate
the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith,
superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is
likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

["Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law
No. 10", Vol. 2, pp. 181-182. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1949.]

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What was the incident that happened? It was the vaccinations themselves.

People have been getting vaccinations for a long time. Their doctors said they were safe. But the doctors were only believing the medical leaders and Big Pharma, who didn't really know if the vaccines were safe. Why didn't they know? Because they didn't do any long-term testing. This means that the safety statements were lies from the start.

Then some people and doctors figured out from experience that vaccines might be dangerous. They figured it out by watching patient reactions to vaccines. So, they pushed government to require the medical and Big Pharma to do testing to prove the vaccines were safe. Laws were made to do the tests. The people felt safe because they trusted in the laws.

Then more people started getting sick (some even dying) after being vaccinated. Groups pushed Big Pharma and the medical to show the safety tests they were required to do. In court, Big Pharma and the medical couldn't show the required safety tests, because for 30 years following the law to do the tests, the tests had never been done, or they were being hidden because the results were bad.

Now, long-term tests are finally being done independently. These tests confirm that the vaccines are producing more disease than would have come about without the vaccines. They are also confirming that there are terrible side-effects from vaccines... like autism. But even without the tests, people can see these effects.

For example, you have a child that is, say, a year old. He is a fine, normal child. Then he gets a vaccine, and within a day/week/month turns extremely autistic. You don't need long-term medical tests to tell what happened. You can see what happened, especially when it is happening to many other families, as well - https://cdautism.org/.

People here wasn't scared of vaccination. They voluntarily and regularly vaccinated. Until an incident happened. A new vaccine was introduced. This vaccine supposed to prevent a mosquito related disease.  This vaccine is supposedly given only to those who got the disease before. But due to misunderstanding, it was given to random children, causing deaths to those who didn't experience the said disease before. Die to that incident people became scared of vaccination even the other vaccination, thinking it might cause death too.

Actually, people here are in favor of vaccination, like I said, they voluntarily and regularly get vaccinated before that incident happened