Topic: What is in mind of those, who against vaccination? - page 8. (Read 2352 times)

Socio-cultural factors play a huge role in my country as individuals will rather die with their Socio-cultural ideologies against vaccination than vaccine their children.  In a certain village in my country  they believe that the whites brought vaccines to reduce their population. Education is the solution to this societal menace.

The fact that Ernie Hancock and Freedom's Phoenix are supporting the Vaccine Education Summit, means that due diligence has been done in the areas of the topics. Ernie doesn't support stuff that is false or wrong. Most importantly, Ernie is about freedom.

Ernie >>>   There's those who want to be left alone, and there's those who just won't leave them alone.


Pictures from the Vaccine Education Summit held Sept 28, 2019 in Phoenix, AZ




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That is technically true with Polio.  More cases of paralytic polio are of the vaccine strain than wild strain polio now.  It is possible to argue that 'Yeah, but if the vaccine program did not exist then there would be far more wild strain than what currently exists now.'  OK, fine.  It could well be true but I want to see valid studies which prove this and which prove the premises upon which the suggestion is built rather than hand-waving assertions by the those being paid off by profits from the pharma sector.

The real problem is that they are badly warping the ecology associated with the illnesses the vaccines target in many cases.  Vaccines have some serious flaws compared to natural illness.  Specifically that they don't confer life-long immunity, and immunity is not passed from mother-to-child in the first year as is the case with many of these illnesses when caught naturally by a mother when she was a kid.

What they have done is to force the illness into an older cohort so that 'right-of-passage' things we all used to get like mumps which are trivial in childhood are now being caught by older people when they tend to be actually threatening.  And they also leave the infants vulnerable even if they are breast feeding.  In the case of measles and mumps they have totally fucked up the ecology and since the initial promise of long duration immunity was a lie, they now want everyone to get boosters for the rest of their lives.

Probably more people will die in auto accidents on their way to their monthly vaccine booster shots then ever did back in the day when we all used to get these trivial things and miss a few days of school.

One of the most pernicious harms is that in order to cover their asses, and protect their profits, the whole industry (including the so-called 'regulatory agencies') are pumping out propaganda, lies and junk science and setting the whole field of medical science on a backslide.  How long before they bring back bloodletting?

^^^ Vaccines are eradicating diseases. And the way that they are doing it is twofold:
1. They are bringing other, worse diseases to bear, or into existence, to eradicate the first ones;
2. Vaccines are killing people, and once a person is dead, he no longer has the disease.

vaccines are necessary to eradicate certain diseases permanently and to avoid contagion, especially in schools, but it should still be a free choice of families and not a state imposition...

Frankly I actually generalized all anti-vaxxers. I don't really know the system in the society you live in. When I say anti-vaxxers I actually mean those people who are against vaccines that can prevent or cure preventable diseases. To go to clinic mandatorily every week to get vaccines just for the sake of it because the government thinks you need it is not what I support. That's like a business the government is playing with the general population.

I'm a straight-up atheist.

A certain small segment of the medical and scientific community thought they'd 'play God' and eliminate measles (a benign right-of-passage childhood ailment which everybody got almost never caused any problems.)  This they did "because they could."  Everything they claimed to think they could do was wrong and now we've got a totally screwed up ecological balance.

The fundamental tenant of ecology is "You can never do just one thing."  Playing God often results in tears.  Literature is filled with it...both fiction and non-fiction.  Leaving things alone when possible is not some spiritual purist belief as much as it is a practical strategy born of the school of hard knocks.

The real problem is that a totally screwed up ecology which requires every person to visit a clinic for their monthly 'booster shots' is, to Big Pharma and the socialists who desire ever tightening government control over every member of society, not a bug.  It's a feature!

Well people who are mostly against vaccines are very much religious people. They believe that anything that is artificial for the benefit of human is like betraying the God. By the same logic they should not even use mobile phones because it is also artificial and they shouldn't take public transport by cars which are also artificial. Nowhere in any religion it is stated that if you take help from doctors or medicines, it is a sin.

EDTA and cilantro remove many toxic elements from a person's system if used properly. So, be on the safe side if you need to get vaccinated, and at least eat cilantro. Study EDTA, and then use it as well.

All I have every seen is 'see, the government said it was safe so that proves it!'  There are actually hardly any 'safety studies'.  We hear over and over again that their are "thousands" but almost never are any pointed to.  When they are, they often say the opposite of what the proponents think they say, and even then they are watered down since inevitably they are funded by big-pharma or their proxies.


Mercury was bad enough that they did take it out.  It's admitted to cause tics, but they say 'oh, it's nothing and they usually go away eventually."  Any human can understand intuitively that tics represent neurological dysfunction so as they bumped up the number of required vaccines nearly everyone would have tics and that would embarrass TPTB.  So they took mercury out.  They've developed more targeted neurological assaults without so many observable side effects anyway so mercury is becoming obsolete.  Still useful to further damage people already stupid enough to get an annual flu jab though.


Every serious so-called 'anti-vaxxer' understands this completely, and there are millions of us.

You are projecting the ignorance characteristic of the typical mouth-breather who takes corp/gov word for everything and applying it where it doesn't apply.



Nobody made people drink the government approved water in Flint, Michigan.  The social engineers calculated correctly that a certain target population would do it because they had no other realistic option.

Same people who regulate vaccines, and the same policy calculations.


To me that would be an interesting experiment.  The public school system designed and exists to pump out little big-brother worshiping pro-vaxxes.  Families who have broken out can with some success counter the damaging aspects of 'public education'...which explains why the 'progressives' are so negative about nuclear families, family values, etc.

With mandatory vaccine laws for public schools, a lot of families who were on the edge of homeschooling would be forced over the tipping point.  For any normal person who has taken the time to research vaccines nobody is going to give their kids what corp/gov is going to be demanding.  So, we'll have a cohort who is are both healthy (having avoided vaccine damage) and lacking in public school indoctrination.  And probably have much better ethics to boot.  Such a cohort could really be something which saves our country, but it would be a generation or two away.


Anyone with an ounce of technical ability can see right through this standard talking point big-enough-lie-often-enough propaganda when they explore the subject for a while.  The trickle of people who are actually researching this stuff is turning into a flood, and as the years go by more and more independently funded studies are being performed.  The minute details of what 'they' are doing and how 'they' are doing it are coming into focus.  Thank God!

I've about reached my limit with these debates. Not on this forum particularly but in general. Every day life. Any piece of anti-vax "evidence" can be countered.

A classic example is the fear of *drumroll* MERCURY!

People who don't understand chemistry lose their minds over this. I like to bring up the old "Sodium is highly explosive and dangerous in water. Chlorine is a toxic gas that can kill a human quickly. Combine the two? Harmless table salt"

Just because a chemical has a scary name does not mean it's a dangerous compound.

While I feel anti-vax arguments are foolish and ill-informed I do have an internal conflict on this subject. I don't think world governments should be able to mandate vaccines upon their citizens. You're not required to consume water by the government, but logic tells you it's a good thing, don't be an idiot, drink it. Right? The only middle ground I can find in myself is that if you choose not to vaccinate your children then they should not be allowed in to the public school system. Private schools can set policies at their own discretion.

Even IF you want to argue there is some minuscule chance a vaccine can cause harm it's a weak argument by all accounts. The benefits of vaccinations far outweigh the potential negatives and side effects. Imagine being someone who thinks "wow, I would never want my child to be autistic. I'd rather see them suffer a slow painful death from a disease science has made totally optional and preventable at this point in history."

The destructive nature of vaccines, and what is being done about it.


Arizona Breakfast Club - Sept 14, 2019 = Ernest Hancock, Irene Pi = Vaccine Education Summit




Arizona Breakfast Club - September 14, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=288&v=UrRPN81XLEs

Depending on how effective PMAs really are, I still think that we should form our own nation using a PMA, right within the USA. They shouldn't be able to stop us, because we are not against the USA. Rather, we support the USA because it is the USA that is supporting our ability to PMA.

Gradually we could come together with even our land, and make the public into something that is off-limits for our private PMA. Of course, if we get big enough, it would be the public that would become the PMA so-to-speak.

One one hand 'they' are ushering in an era where being healthy and with an IQ of 100 will make a person sort of super-human and highly competitive.  Simply avoiding vaccines can give your kids a real competitive advantage.

One the other hand with all the desperately sick and weak morons running around it will be easy enough for 'them' to usher in a communist one-world government which won't be much fun to take advantage of anyway.

The only possible hope at this point would seem to be to lay low, go ahead and let 'them' cull the herd, then hope that when people have seen the kind of evil that is being ushered in the reaction will be violent in excess of what they've prepared for.  I would say that if anything that's what the 'Georgia Guidestones' were all about.  Go ask a high level Rosicrucian I guess.  I don't know any myself.

So far anti-vaxxers are more or less of a mindset that "Vaccines do more bad than they do good. I don't want to get vaccinated, or have my children vaccinated. If other people want to get vaccinated, that should be their choice, just like it should be my choice to not be vaccinated if I want."

But it is about time that anti-vaxxers start getting into the mindset of "Vaccines do more bad than they do good. I don't want to get vaccinated, or have my children vaccinated. And since vaccines are bad for all people, we need to stop all people from being vaccinated... for their own good. Outlaw all vaccines, im-medicatedly... I mean, immediately!"

We need to start calling them 'vaccine deniers' so it could be outlawed as a thought-crime more easily.

ANTI-VAXER!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

I am a 51 yr old mother of 6 children. My oldest is 29, my youngest is 6. All of my children have been vaccinated, but I chose to vaccinate them when they were around 4 years old. The reason is  because of how they have been preserved .  Honestly , I'm not positive that they still do this , but in the past the amount of Mercury used to preserve just one shot given to a child contains the maximum allowable amount of Mercury for an adult. And children generally get 4 to 6 shots at each sitting. This means that they have been exposed to up to 6 times the amount of Mercury that is consider safe for an adult.
I have known at least 4 children who were clearly injured for life due to the vaccination they received . It's scary. I think that it would be safer to give fewer shots at a time and start the cycles later in life.

This seems to be the best explanation for getting the best out of vaccines, while eliminating the worst dangers. It's part of a post by tvbcof:

Same-said for vaccines as for cancer... below.


Cancer Cure Suppressed for 80 Years: They're Finally Admitting Royal Rife Was Right