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Quote from: darklus123 on October 11, 2018, 06:48:13 PM

Quote from: 1Referee on September 16, 2018, 04:47:50 PM

I think the 'manipulators' are less frightening than some of you might think. It's probably safe to say that the spot market has become nothing more than a tool to boost their leveraged trades on platforms such as BitMex. Back in the days it was more like them accumulating plenty of coins, pump the market, then dump at others. Right now it's more like them solely resetting the spot market to levels within a safe range.

There doesn't seem to be much desire for them to tank the market to insanely lower levels for maximum profits (at least for now). If they are in for a wild ride, they'll just increase their leverage multipliers and reset the spot market to levels at which their gains are satisfying enough. As long there is enough respect for $5800 people should not worry.

Exchanges globally should put some effort into finding out who and what is contributing to these obvious price resets. As long as that doesn't happen, whales will continue to have free game.

So basically you were telling us that whales can or will not going to break the whole economy down by manipulating prices?

yes, manipulators just want profits by selling at the higher peak, not to break the whole economy. There is something called "price resistant" because not everyone influenced to sell bitcoin and they prefer to hold.

Quote from: darklus123 on October 11, 2018, 06:48:13 PM

That is true but what they leave after changing prices is a big problem for us small time traders. I really am hoping to that might aswell limiting trades per day but this also removes cryptos opportunities to bitcoins economic growth.

I never heard any exchange limiting trades per day, it's a free global market, people are free to buy and sell as much as they want as long as the volume in an exchangebis enough. The problem is, sometimes exchange place fake volume on their sites to attract people.

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I also doubt that exchanges will be going to take an effort for that especially if they are the most beneficial aside from the whales when it comes to sudden change of prices

Correct, exchanges have the power to control all transactions in their platform, including taking the chance to sell bitcoin at the highest peak or buy at the lowest price. It's a race against time, whoever can buy and sell at the right time will get bigger profits than others.

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Quote from: 1Referee on September 16, 2018, 04:47:50 PM

I think the 'manipulators' are less frightening than some of you might think. It's probably safe to say that the spot market has become nothing more than a tool to boost their leveraged trades on platforms such as BitMex. Back in the days it was more like them accumulating plenty of coins, pump the market, then dump at others. Right now it's more like them solely resetting the spot market to levels within a safe range.

There doesn't seem to be much desire for them to tank the market to insanely lower levels for maximum profits (at least for now). If they are in for a wild ride, they'll just increase their leverage multipliers and reset the spot market to levels at which their gains are satisfying enough. As long there is enough respect for $5800 people should not worry.

Exchanges globally should put some effort into finding out who and what is contributing to these obvious price resets. As long as that doesn't happen, whales will continue to have free game.

So basically you were telling us that whales can or will not going to break the whole economy down by manipulating prices?

That is true but what they leave after changing prices is a big problem for us small time traders. I really am hoping to that might aswell limiting trades per day but this also removes cryptos opportunities to bitcoins economic growth.

I also doubt that exchanges will be going to take an effort for that especially if they are the most beneficial aside from the whales when it comes to sudden change of prices

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Thinking about manipulators in the crypto industry, all i can think is that they all want everybody to panic and leave crypto so they will sell their cryptos that will help make the price fall. Once the price is down, they can buy more of it at a lower price adding it to their big volume of crypto assets already.

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Quote from: GregH37 on October 11, 2018, 04:49:09 AM

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Quote from: cosmoo on October 07, 2018, 03:31:54 PM

I think that people just want to have more Bitcoins, more than anyone so they will control all market. They just want to drop the price and buy more and more. Then they will pump it... I hope Cheesy

Yes, sure, they want to get more Bitcoins when the crypto is very cheap. After that, the biggest holders of BTC are going to sell the cryptocurrency to make billions.

Actually to them, it is not even just about getting cheap, it is about taking advantage of the weak hands in the market which is where they believe that the ability to make more money in the long run will come from. As long as the market is speculative, a lot of people want to get rich fast, it would always be an easy ride for them.

They usually play with emotions and since they have huge bucks to drive the market the way they want, it makes manipulation so easy for them, which would not have happened naturally if the market is not highly speculative and natural demand drives the market instead which I believe we will get there some day.

Even if we get there when the time comes manipulation will next exit the cryptocurrency market. Although, their goals is for them to control the market, make a good profit from out of people ignorance but all we have to do is play along with them and I also believed current manipulation is normal base on last bullish market.

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Quote from: darkr on October 08, 2018, 11:36:07 PM

Quote from: cosmoo on October 07, 2018, 03:31:54 PM

I think that people just want to have more Bitcoins, more than anyone so they will control all market. They just want to drop the price and buy more and more. Then they will pump it... I hope Cheesy

Yes, sure, they want to get more Bitcoins when the crypto is very cheap. After that, the biggest holders of BTC are going to sell the cryptocurrency to make billions.

Actually to them, it is not even just about getting cheap, it is about taking advantage of the weak hands in the market which is where they believe that the ability to make more money in the long run will come from. As long as the market is speculative, a lot of people want to get rich fast, it would always be an easy ride for them.

They usually play with emotions and since they have huge bucks to drive the market the way they want, it makes manipulation so easy for them, which would not have happened naturally if the market is not highly speculative and natural demand drives the market instead which I believe we will get there some day.

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Manipulators are part of the crypto market, decentralized systems can't be separated from manipulators who manipulate prices, and manipulators will continue to play to get their profits.

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Quote from: Ponti on October 09, 2018, 02:19:41 AM

When market manipulations happen on crypto market, the motivation of manipulators is simple they want to buy low and sell high. All those manipulating techniques - wash trading; pumps and dumps; market cornering are only done to pursue two targets- to control the crowd and make money on it.

Anyone would want to be tempted to drive the market when they know they have all it takes to do so and as long as there are traders in the market, the participation will always be there one way or the other. It is always so easy because so many traders are inexperienced, they tend to jump in front of a moving train, and a whole lot of people even without knowledge are looking for means to get rich fast from trading and whales will always take advantage of this.

It is usually very simple, accumulate more at the dips, spike the price and bring about participation, and then before you know it, the price keeps getting up as you look for another perfect spot to distribute and drive it back down afterwards. A rinse and repeat process.

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Quote from: ELOCIN on October 06, 2018, 06:55:51 PM

In my own point of view, cryptocurrency manipulators just wanted to make the market looks so bad giving fears to others that will push them to sell their crypto holdings. Once these manipulators see that the market is so down, they will also buy again at a huge volume of cryptos whatever they want.

Manipulators want to loot and suck innocent investors. I do not have any hold over the market and I will just see what is happening in the market. Many investors withdrew their investment due to these manipulators. They change the prices according to their well make big money. Thousands of investors lost their money and now they do not trust crypto anymore.

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Yes, that is the rule. The rich will become richer. We are just small fish and are subjected to the oppression of whales but that is the rule. Try to work harder to make more money.

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Quote from: trimulia on September 16, 2018, 09:23:47 PM

I don't know much, maybe most manipulators only do their activities only for personal gain, but the good of other manipulators helps raise prices

They want to have the power of changing the prices whenever they want and make profit from those changes they made. Sometimes they get right and manage to drop or increase the price whenever they want, I have seen some whales and sometimes they failed to increase or decrease the price, it doesn't work %100 of the time even if you are a whale.

They have more to lose and even tho you won't read this on some newspaper they do lose money and big time once in a while. They are as much afraid of doing what they are doing as you would. This is millions of dollars they play with and sometimes they hit big and they are after that one big hit.

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As you said that when the price is down, it is the time for manipulators to control the market. It can conclude that the manipulators want earn as much as possible of ROI or earn extra money from the panic sell. They will not let the chance go, even they sell the own coins for dump.

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Quote from: renemagritte on October 09, 2018, 05:46:11 PM

Manipulators use our emotions to make us sell or buy coins/stocks. You know the term "fomo" right? It works for almost anyone. So we should try to calm down, take a look at the table from a distance and think. This way I'm doing better job at trading.

We don't need to be afraid of them, they are actually making their own strategy to make money in here. Though we think that they are greedy and tried to manipulate market prices but that's their way also and nothing we can do that.
That's right, find ourself comfortable rather than of thinking them hard.

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Manipulators use our emotions to make us sell or buy coins/stocks. You know the term "fomo" right? It works for almost anyone. So we should try to calm down, take a look at the table from a distance and think. This way I'm doing better job at trading.

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Quote from: YoungMaster on October 09, 2018, 12:41:23 PM

This is the reality that manipulators do. they only wanted cheaper prices and sell at the expensive prices to get the profits. Well, anyone who is affected by their manipulations will definitely lose.

Yes mostly this is the want by manipulators to catch the price when it is low. To earn profit at a desired higher price. Manipulators do really exists in the market and we cannot avoid them but we can do on our own strategy to earn in the market.

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This is the reality that manipulators do. they only wanted cheaper prices and sell at the expensive prices to get the profits. Well, anyone who is affected by their manipulations will definitely lose.

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Quote from: yndye on October 09, 2018, 08:17:45 AM

Quote from: Uhde on October 09, 2018, 04:28:24 AM

manipulators want to collect more cryptocurrencies. they manipulate the market and wants market to be dumped when they want to buy. and they manipulate for a rise with good volume when they want to cash out.

That's why if you want to have profits then you would want to think as a manipulator or the whales or the market makers. You would want to know what are they thinking or what their movement might be in this kind of market so that in this way, you can anticipate their movement and you can avoid being dumped and will be not late when the pump comes. One key factor here is having a trading plan always so that you will not be betrayed by your emotions in case there are sudden movements in the market.

If you ask me, that's next to impossible for the vast majority of trading folks as they are driven entirely by emotions even though they themselves think they are quite rational and reasonable. This is how human mind works by retrospectively rationalizing decisions made and steps taken. For example, you make a rush decision on impulse and then you proceed to contrive a reason to explain your actions. With manipulators, it is even worse than that. By trying to guess what's on their mind, you will be only fooling yourself. If your knowledge and expertize is on par with theirs, you will be acting accordingly without ever trying to get into their heads as you won't need that.

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Quote from: Incodium Coin on October 08, 2018, 01:32:14 AM

Stockbrokers, hedge funds, and speculators all do the same thing on the stock market. It's something that's unpleasant sometimes, but it's an integral part of the market. Can't do anything about it.

I agree, sometimes I do not like what speculators do with the markets but if we want to have free markets then it is impossible to avoid the actions of the manipulators, they are trying to earn money out of the market which is something that many of us can understand, the difference is that they are so powerful that their actions can move the market in one direction or the other, that is why it may seem unfair to some of the participants that do not have that power.

But since they have accumulated that power by taking the right decisions at the right time we do not really have the right to tell them what to do with their money and the only thing that we can do is to try to guess in which direction they are going to try to manipulate the market before they do so we can benefit out of those movements as well.

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Quote from: tanzaholzmann on September 16, 2018, 07:27:39 PM

I will try to think positively, I hope manipulators reduce asset prices aiming to get small investors like me and after getting small investors at the lowest prices the manipulators raise prices.

We may have different opinion on the market status, Market is Volatile, anything can happened during the market trading, price value may goes up and down dependent on the volume of investment by the investors, the level of consumers confident affect market movement, Trading and HODL plays some indicators that bring the Market Volatility on the price market status, i dis agree on the manipulators in the market not unless "insider trading is happening"?

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Only want by manipulators of crypto with bitcoin and altcoin price is could buy with lower and sell at higher price, we have see how come they are making many people are panic for selling their asset at lower price, take chance to buy and sell when it on higher price.

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Quote from: Uhde on October 09, 2018, 04:28:24 AM

manipulators want to collect more cryptocurrencies. they manipulate the market and wants market to be dumped when they want to buy. and they manipulate for a rise with good volume when they want to cash out.

That's why if you want to have profits then you would want to think as a manipulator or the whales or the market makers. You would want to know what are they thinking or what their movement might be in this kind of market so that in this way, you can anticipate their movement and you can avoid being dumped and will be not late when the pump comes. One key factor here is having a trading plan always so that you will not be betrayed by your emotions in case there are sudden movements in the market.

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