Topic: What manipulators want - page 3. (Read 974 times)
This is exactly the scenario that has been playing out for long. We saw this with the last all time high price of bitcoin and how the people who rushed in quickly dumped their bitcoin and rushed out. People are getting wise everyday and manipulators are no longer finding it as easy as it used to be.
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a large holder might iceberg large sells at resistance, but whether or not a top actually forms there is really just up to the market. plenty of whales have been slaughtered mercilessly by this market, especially in the older days. having a bunch of coins doesn't mean whales knows shit about trading. for some reason, people just assume these people are profitable and remain whales. they aren't and don't. they're not much different than the 80% of traders that lose money.
a large holder might iceberg large sells at resistance, but whether or not a top actually forms there is really just up to the market. plenty of whales have been slaughtered mercilessly by this market, especially in the older days. having a bunch of coins doesn't mean whales knows shit about trading. for some reason, people just assume these people are profitable and remain whales. they aren't and don't. they're not much different than the 80% of traders that lose money.
It has been always a question for me, how many of early adopters still hold their thousands of coins? In 2013 some people were saying that most of them sold everything when Bitcoin was around $100. But then, due to high demand on the part of regular people, Bitcoin hit $1,000+ in December 2013 and the subsequent falling could only be explained by dumping big amounts by whales, because regular people couldn't lose their interest in Bitcoin at once. Then December 2017 happened when again because of the high demand from new adopters the price skyrocketed to $20k, and we all know what happened next. Again, I don't think those newcomers who were buying at $10k-$15k started selling their coins all of a sudden. Most likely it were the whales this time too.
It seems that you are not taking into account that it is actually a two-way street. What I want to say is that even if the first wave of whales (the bitcoin pioneers) had sold their stashes earlier, for example, in 2013-2014, it doesn't necessarily mean that there are no more whales left. For example, we all know about the Winklevee twins and their mighty bitcoin holdings, but they were not among the very first adopters. They are what would be correctly called the second generation of bitcoin whales. The point is when some whales go, new ones take their place.
And today when we are witnessing that the price is more or less stabilized, can it be the sign that most of them whales indeed sold their coins earlier and that's why they can't manipulate the market no more? If that is the case then in the future the price will depend solely on the demand and supply, and since the demand will inevitably rise the price will rise as well.
Then again, this is just a speculation. To make plausible inferences, we need to look at bitcoin wealth distribution. But even it is not 100% "tamper-proof" as one holder can have many unconnected wallets. In that case, you won't see them as one stash and him as a whale.
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a large holder might iceberg large sells at resistance, but whether or not a top actually forms there is really just up to the market. plenty of whales have been slaughtered mercilessly by this market, especially in the older days. having a bunch of coins doesn't mean whales knows shit about trading. for some reason, people just assume these people are profitable and remain whales. they aren't and don't. they're not much different than the 80% of traders that lose money.
a large holder might iceberg large sells at resistance, but whether or not a top actually forms there is really just up to the market. plenty of whales have been slaughtered mercilessly by this market, especially in the older days. having a bunch of coins doesn't mean whales knows shit about trading. for some reason, people just assume these people are profitable and remain whales. they aren't and don't. they're not much different than the 80% of traders that lose money.
It has been always a question for me, how many of early adopters still hold their thousands of coins? In 2013 some people were saying that most of them sold everything when Bitcoin was around $100. But then, due to high demand on the part of regular people, Bitcoin hit $1,000+ in December 2013 and the subsequent falling could only be explained by dumping big amounts by whales, because regular people couldn't lose their interest in Bitcoin at once. Then December 2017 happened when again because of the high demand from new adopters the price skyrocketed to $20k, and we all know what happened next. Again, I don't think those newcomers who were buying at $10k-$15k started selling their coins all of a sudden. Most likely it were the whales this time too.
And today when we are witnessing that the price is more or less stabilized, can it be the sign that most of them whales indeed sold their coins earlier and that's why they can't manipulate the market no more? If that is the case then in the future the price will depend solely on the demand and supply, and since the demand will inevitably rise the price will rise as well.
You overestimate manipulators too much, they are not capable of influencing the market so much!
When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.
Maybe thats this your speculation or your prediction about the cryptocurrency are true,so that all the investor now would feel calm and dont panic about this situation now in the market,therefore us your stated that this is the manipulator wants in order to control all about the cryptocurrency movement .
manipulators want to collect more cryptocurrencies. they manipulate the market and wants market to be dumped when they want to buy. and they manipulate for a rise with good volume when they want to cash out.
never losing out our hoping even the price is downs. There will be a great day of our investing and we can get much return of our money as long as we s=want to wait and be patient with the market. market down mean it prepare for netter future.
It is expected by everyone. Not only by thoe manipulators. But everyone wishes to have it. We are for profit or for income. Therefore everyone must have patience in which it is the main ingredient for everyone, and also trust. It is important to consider this things.
Market manipulators want to make money mostly on margin trading I think thats where people really get destroyed by these people.
Take all there money with no chance to lose.
Take all there money with no chance to lose.
When market manipulations happen on crypto market, the motivation of manipulators is simple they want to buy low and sell high. All those manipulating techniques - wash trading; pumps and dumps; market cornering are only done to pursue two targets- to control the crowd and make money on it.
I'll place myself in the stand point of a whale. If i have tomw of money and i can make more simply by buying then selling the coins to increase the price. I would also buy then sel coins, especially alt coins, regularly just so the volatility will stop. Lastly, i may not want the crypto currency to be a hit so no one will invest on them anymore
I think that people just want to have more Bitcoins, more than anyone so they will control all market. They just want to drop the price and buy more and more. Then they will pump it... I hope 
Yes, sure, they want to get more Bitcoins when the crypto is very cheap. After that, the biggest holders of BTC are going to sell the cryptocurrency to make billions.
When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.
I can not sure if there is manipulator that hold the market value, this is decentralized and all people are individually accessed to the system flat form like bitcoin. No organization controlled the 24/7 operation of crypto currency massive decreased of value is because of "PANIC SELLING" of volume of user that actually affect the value of price.
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Stockbrokers, hedge funds, and speculators all do the same thing on the stock market. It's something that's unpleasant sometimes, but it's an integral part of the market. Can't do anything about it.
Crypto market manipulators are motivated by one factor- the desire to make profit at the expense of others, they are usually whales with so much influence and have the resources to create tension or panic in the market because they know people starrt making irrational decisions when that happens, they can then buy lower and sell when the fears are gone
It is mot only the manipulators who wanted for it to happen, the people who are experts or those who are veteran with this kind of stuffs wanted it to. But then we can say that manipulators want to get more and more coin or to generate more profit. They have the goal of making money.
The market is full of manipulators,their wish is to get the profit as much as possible,so they will used any ways to get their profit, it's really important to always do research before sell or buy, don't fall into the manipulators trap, always keep calm and try to take decision with a clear mind,don't become panic once the price fall down
Manipulators always want to get cheap price and make big profits from market movement. They always get that by make market panic and creating chaos in market. Thats why we should not panic about market condition and better to hold our investment for long term
I think these manipulators might have the desire to make a lot of traders panic because I think if these price manipulators are sure there are people who want to try to control and control the place of price movements in the exchange place, the more often the price is made like this I'm sure there will be many traders panic and loss so that many victims will come out of the exchange place so that the volume at the exchange place begins to decrease.
The cryptocurrency market is affected and manipulated by so many wealthy investors. If you enter the cryptocurrency market long enough, you will feel the market is dominated by a small trading volume. So I advise investors to choose coins that have a larger trading volume so that they are not dominated by speculators. 
There are no "manipulators", there are simply big players who have the opportunity to influence the market, and obviously take advantage of it.
If we were able, we would do it too.
For what concerns us, we can only try to understand in which direction the "manipulator" will move the market, and go after it.
If we were able, we would do it too.
For what concerns us, we can only try to understand in which direction the "manipulator" will move the market, and go after it.
Agreed! But, people call them manipulators as they are trying to control the market by dragging people's emotion with how the price behaves relatively. Neverthless, these big players can only influence the market with the great number og asset in their possesion. Putting their money in and out of the market may have a minor impact, but there has no full control in price manipulation yet, not unless if the normal investors follows the market trend.
I think that people just want to have more Bitcoins, more than anyone so they will control all market. They just want to drop the price and buy more and more. Then they will pump it... I hope
this is one of the causes of what I convince, I always hold the coins I have bought. even though the price of the coin has been destroyed. and I always believe that this manipulation factor is very strong. and this will make prices able to return to the top after they have taken control of the market volume, this happens every year, when the price of the kion falls very steeply, we don't need to worry because the price will definitely recover
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