Topic: What's wrong with eating meat? - page 16. (Read 30290 times)

Yeah, so quiet with their whining "why do you kill all those poor animals you murderers? They have feelings too!"

And  I'm not insulting anybody, I just like some ham or tuna on my pizza.

Exactly. Vegans are usually quiet about their choice until it comes up then it's usually the meat-eaters who go on the attack asking them why and insulting them etc.

I think you just proved the guys point right above you lol.

In your face vegans!

I think you will find it's the meat eaters who seem to be doing this and as usual in a defensive and childish manner.

1)  The point is simply that vegetarians aren't exempt from the moral landscape.

2)  Again, animals are going to eat plants regardless of whether we kill them for food or not.  And to the previous poster who mentioned the number of cows on farms is likely larger than the number of cows capable of being naturally sustained in the wild is starting to veer off-topic.  The question is whether it's wrong to eat meat, not which methods of global food production/distribution are most efficient.

3)  I trained as an amateur bodybuilder for four years under the direct supervision of a former Mr. Universe champion who also had experiences training the Detroit Lions minor league football team, etc.  My diet during those four years consisted of eating ~300-400g protein per day of which about 80% came directly from meat, and most of the rest came from oatmeal.  During those four years, over 95% of my daily caloric intake came from steak, tuna, oatmeal, and nothing else.  At one point, I had integrated about 16-24 oz. of mixed vegetables per day into my diet, but the difference it made, though noticeable, wasn't all that significant.  I'm still in great health and am able to do 100 consecutive push-ups, 35 pull-ups, and run 8.5 miles in just under an hour.   I have not had any vegetables in my diet for about  two years excluding a few salads and asparagus sides at restaurants.

I need to try those spinat chops. Those have more fat in inside than meat loaf. I bet oil just drips out then you cut it.

I grew up in farm enviroment. I witnessed and helped to kill few hundred pigs/chickens/rabbits when i was young. Its not exactly pleasant job, i must admit.
I have nothing against eating meat or killing a pray for your meal. Killing for pleasure is what i hate.
Eating meat together with veggies just how we were meant to live. Everything is not either black or white. Theres also gray between.

I normally have zero meatless days per week, and I don't think it is necessary to have any. Normally, I eat chicken once in a week or so. I take fish for the remaining 6 days. I don't eat red meat or eggs.

I frequently have one or two meatless days per week.
That is a step in the right direction.

I've never thought about the animals/fish that I eat. It doesn't bother me.

If you believe that we evolved, then we could not have evolved if we did not eat animal protein. Despite what Peta and their followers would have you believe, plant protein is not enough on its own for proper development. You are correct in stating that we are omnivores and thus we need at least some meat protein. If the killing bothers you then milk and egg products are a good source of animal protein.

Yet while I was focused on a meat and fish diet, my nutritionist told me that I had almost every vitamin, mineral and such in range (not he did not give me this diet, I've put it together myself). I did however not avoid vegetables, nor fruit, but I only ate them when I felt like it.

I think that the most important animal interest is not of staying alive - or else we should oppose all of nature's carnivores, that would make no sense.
The animal interest is rather to live or die in a natural and respectful way. Ie, not in the the unnatural context of factories where all their life is spent in suffering.

Many human beings don't believe animals have rights, but do think that animals have important interests that should not be violated. But some of these people enjoy eating meat and fish, and so face a conflict between animal and human interests: the trivial human interest in eating meat versus the basic animal interest in staying alive. The human interest is classed as trivial because human beings don't need to eat meat in order to live. The animal interest in staying alive is classed as basic, because if the animal is killed then all its other interests are frustrated as well. Ethical question: Should the trivial human interest in eating meat be satisfied at the expense of the animal interest in staying alive?

I do believe most arguments provided here were reasonnable and no attacks have been made on those who countered them.
If anything, you're the one who is resorting to insults.


Well said.

Ben Franklin was also in to old fat chicks. I understand his reasoning... but don't share the same taste.

The only problem I have with you veggie-tards, is trying to force your opinion on everyone else. Get over it, we eat tasty animals (and chicken, 'cus it's cheap).

There is more than 100 cows in an average farm and it can be up to 1000 in the biggest ones, this quantity would not be sustainable in the wild. Also, they would eat grass that would be there anyway, not soy and corn that we farm for them, and which would give us more energy if we ate them directly rather than converting them in to meat.


Factory farming would be quite less of a problem if people would simply reduce their meat consumption - no need to be totally vegetarian

Yeah they put down a lot of healthy animals when they take them in. Apparently its ok to kill them as long as you dont eat them.

PETA are such hypocrites.