Topic: What's wrong with eating meat? - page 27. (Read 30304 times)

Google plants feel pain research or similar words tons of articles and research as recent as 2014 prove it and destroys veganism and vegans forever. But PETA and vegan movements will deny because if the truth comes out they are finished.

Due to this recent discoveries of plants feeling pain there are new movements and lifestyles starting and forming  that eliminate harming plants and only base their diet on eating dead plants, dairy, dead animals etc

If u really believe ur set of morals you've created for urself you will have to follow that route and not a delusional I saved the planet vegan route (grass eating plant murderer)

Which is why I stated at the start of my post that it depends from body to body

I have tried the vegan thing for 6 months and it didn't work for me. I'm glad its working for you, but I felt worse on the vegan lifestyle. I tried it all the meat replacements etc.

For me Paleo worked brilliant and I'm sticking to that for now

Wasn't my intention to stereotype vegans, the sucked in face thing was from my experience of people I know who are vegans ended up bony and all have sucked in face. Maybe they r doing it wrong like not getting enough proteins I guess

Anyways I believe to each his own and since vegan changed your life for the better that's a good thing for you

Link me studies that agree with you.

Do you not understand that I was originally a meat eater? That I have been a meat eater for nearly all my life and know what it's like to be one?

Again, you are closed minded and biased. Spouting nonsense trying to prove you are right.

I like how 3 reputable sources all say Vegans / Vegetarians have higher IQ.
I also like that even though we are a small population, people like Einstein (theory of relativity) and Isaac Newton (Physics and Calculus) were vegan / vegetarian.

Here's a quote from Einstein to a friend with citation:

"So I am living without fats, without meat, without fish, but am feeling quite well this way. It always seems to me that man was not born to be a carnivore." - Albert Einstein, Albert Einstein Archives 38-435."

Do you honestly believe plants feel pain? They don't, they don't have the required organs for that. If they release chemicals, it's most likely due to the fact that you are cutting through cell walls as the plant is plucked and that is likely to have effects on the plant as well because they are alive. But why would they evolve to experience pain harsh pain? If they did experience pain, it wouldn't be much, just like a warning sign that your cabbage was being plucked or your orange was being pulled from your branch.

Don't forget that most plants that we consume have evolved to become consumed. Consider the fact that when you meat most vegetables and fruits, the main plant is still alive, it's like you are eating a small part of them but they are still growing themselves.

Give a closed minded person factual information and they will say it's wrong. That's how you are behaving right now.

So like I said link me some studies, I am interested in reading them because I am open to analyze all information.

Vegan people are stupid and annoying. Every time I meet o e he or she think like they have saved the world or something. Fuxk you Vegan. Especially Vegan women, the men r fine but Vegan women think they r some world saviors. In my previous work this vegan woman always talked about how her lifestyle is carbon free, I told her do u have a farm, no she said, do u drive car, yes do u shit in the toilet yes do u drink water yeyes, do you use electrcity yes, do u go to mall yes do u buy clothes yes, then how the fuck r u carbon free u fucking vegan, she start crying. Stop forcing ur twisted life on us, I like my burgers

Plants feel pain and have life like any other biological being. Fact that plants don't feel pain is a myth by vegans who are in denial.

Recwnt research from top scientists confirm that plants have emotions and pain and express them via chemical reactions.

Plants breathe oxygen just like animals

Plants have intelligence though v different and primitive via chemical reactions. Plants also evolve with time. Plants have ability to adapt to environment via their chemical reactions. Vegans will refuse to believe this because the truth hurts.

The only thing you can eat without killing is a rock

Circle of life and evolution means kill or be killed, survival of the fittest, Be it mammals insects or plants.

If early humans were tree hugging grass eaters they would have been eliminated a long time ago by evolutionary factors.

Vegans have nothing to defend, only Peta websites or grass eater websites with fake self righteous research that has no scientific approval. Veganism is also a dying fad, Notice how their section in supermarkets is shrinking year by year. A lot of vegan outlets have also shutdown, because vegans are going back to their natural state of eating plants and animals

The intelligence debate is also invalid, because throughout history the world's most intelligent people and high IQ have all been omnivores.

The earth provides water animals insects and plants we all eat and sustain from all of these. If you think killing a plant is less cruel than killing an animal then you are a typical vegan hypocrite

You read three words of the second bullet point but not the rest of it and wrote a whole reply saying I'm wrong.

Just to repeat what I already said in the same bullet point: they have no central nervous system, they have no organs that allow them to have consciousness.

Just because your arm is alive doesn't mean your arm can think on its own. It can't even feel pain on its own, you need your brain to feel the pain and to control it aka a central nervous system.

Plus you completely threw out every other bullet point out the window.
1) They evolved to be consumed
2) You don't even eat the whole plant when you eat a fruit or most vegetables, you only eat a small part of it that regrows and the main plant continues to grow too

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Read the last bullet point:



Higher IQ study: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-vegetarians-are-more-intelligent-meat-eaters

Higher IQ more likely to become vegetarian (and atheists): http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/4721

Another higher IQ study: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm

I suggest reading through the first two pages, they have a lot of pictures and more factual information in them.

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Close minded replies:


Translation: Even though you are wrong, I like the fact that you are a meat eater like me, so I will side with you.


Translation: I will just read the question, not read any arguments or facts that you state, and conclude that I was right all along: There is nothing wrong with eating meat.


Translation: Even though you might be right, I'll just say you're wrong because f you, that's why.

How do you know that plants have no conscious and don't feel pain <.< were you a plant before ? hmm , also we eat animals that eat mostly plants, because animals that eat meat are unhealthy to us in general -.-, plants deserves more rights !

I think everyone is free to choose what they want to do with their lifes, as long as their decisions don't affect other people

I suggest reading the first two pages as many concerns here were address there.

What I don't understand with people that would want everyone to be vegetarian.. If you are not going to breed animals for human consumption, then who's shit are you going to plant your vegetables in? There's by far not enough synthetic soil available to feed the whole planet.. Don't get me wrong guy/gals, I love vegetarians, I eat them all the time!

I think you should consider parasites when you eat meat, but besides it, nothing bad

I like eating meat, it tastes good, is healthy and I never think about the animal I'm eating. Wild animals hunt, so does man. If you were starving you'd kill and eat to survive, it's natural.

I agree with your opinion, but I don't know if I can agree with that reasoning though. It's kinda like saying you can kill old people because they're going to die soon anyway.

There is nothing wrong with eating meat. It is not like if you don't eat meat you will save animals. They will be killed anyway. So if you like meat eat it...

Nothing.
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Are you being sarcastic or serious?

Because if I say I want to eat you, you will let me. Which sounds like it could be either sarcasm or something someone says then regrets saying it because it was so stupid kind of thing.

if someone wanted to eat me, i'd let them.  what does pain and endorphins have to do with it?

Ah, excellent question and a very common misconception, even one that I used to have to justify my cause for eating meat.

"Isn't eating plants the same thing as eating meat?"
"Isn't it cruel to eat plants?"
"Aren't they both living things that feel pain and are hurt by us when we eat them?"



Well let's take a look:

• Most fruits and vegetable plants evolved to be eaten such as apples or oranges, animals eat part of the fruit then spit the seeds on the ground.
• Plants feel no pain, they have no consciousness, they have no nervous system, they don't feel emotion.
• Let's say they did feel pain, it would then be wrong to eat an animal that ate a lot more plants in its entire life as 80% of all agricultural plants are used to raise animals to be eaten.

I think this one is the strongest argument of all but it makes the most sense when combined with the others:

• You don't even kill most plants by eating the vegetable or fruits they produce. If you eat an apple, kale leaf, broccoli, orange, tomato, potato, or most other fruits and vegetables, you only eat a part of the whole, the main plant is still alive and continues to grow and produce more for you next harvest.

In conclusion...



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I find it funny when some (rare) vegetarians argues that eating meat is animal cruelty, but what's the difference between an animal and a plant? aren't they both living beings? for me if it is for the sake of eating then it is justified, nature was created in such a way that there are ecosystems and as such there are cycles on where things feed on other things, and the same goes for us human, when we die worms and plants feed on us and the cycle continues.

Now killing animals for fun that's another story and shouldn't be allowed.