Topic: What's wrong with eating meat? - page 23. (Read 30256 times)

If we follow your arguments, we'd have to affirm that destroying rocks make them suffer and that we can not imagine their subjective reality. That's wrong. The lack of a nervous system makes plants automatic beings, with a simple life that serves no other purpose than living, and there's no "emotions" needed to carry that task, just like in bacteria.

Sigh. You are talking to closed minded people here. A lot of them are trolls too. Even if you give them a good argument and they know they are wrong, they will make things up that don't make sense to make them think they're right. They will ask you simple questions that are extremely easy to answer.

They ask such simple questions like: "Why is it wrong to eat animals but not plants?" or "What's so bad about meat?" Even when you answer their questions correctly, they will probably not even read it and will reply back with a response that makes no sense.

I recommend the BBC documentary "How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth?" if you wanna learn about how much cultivation is ruining our planet. You can't blame the meat industry for everything, just saying'.

No comeback required, you know you're wrong.

This argument holds no grounds as a large majority of the population in general have been meat eaters.

Out of all the geniuses possible, will you not agree that some of the most influential geniuses of all time have been vegan / vegetarian?:

And yes, almost everyone that is a vegetarian or vegan start out as a meat eater but found information that diverted them away from it.

Einstein - Theory of Relativity. Had the most groundbreaking discovery of the 20th century.
Isaac Newton - Created Calculus and Founded Physics. He is considered the father of Physics, the father of Calculus, the Father of Modern Medicine, and even the Father of Modern Science.
Nikola Tesla - Invented the radio and Alternating Current. Has a cult following that many of his inventions were stolen.
Gandhi - Civil Rights Movement
Buddha - Founded Buddhism
Steve Jobs - Created Apple
Ramanujan - Genius mathematician.
Edward Wittin - Einstein's successor and foremost string theorist
Brian Greene - Genius who refuted Einstein's theory that space could stretch but not tear.
Rosa Parks
Thomas Edison
Benjamin Franklin
Prince
Mike Tyson
Forest Whitaker
Natalie Portman
George Bernard Shaw
Leonardo Da Vinci
Leo Tolstoy
Cesar Chavez
Russell Brand
Carl Lewis
Paul McCartney
Bree Olson
Alicia Silverstone
John Harvey Kellogg, etc.


There are so many influential geniuses who have been Vegan / Vegetarian like Ellen Degeneres and the Dalai Lama. Even Hitler was a Vegetarian. These guys were all open minded and challenged the culture they were born in. Unlike you trolls.

Also, you will probably just say everything I said here is BS, which is why it's pointless to argue with you guys. This is how atheists feel when they are arguing against Christians: You can't win, even though you are right every time.

Sigh. You are talking to closed minded people here. A lot of them are trolls too. Even if you give them a good argument and they know they are wrong, they will make things up that don't make sense to make them think they're right. They will ask you simple questions that are extremely easy to answer.

They ask such simple questions like: "Why is it wrong to eat animals but not plants?" or "What's so bad about meat?" Even when you answer their questions correctly, they will probably not even read it and will reply back with a response that makes no sense.

This is why this chart makes sense:




Vegetarians more intelligent than meat eaters: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201005/why-vegetarians-are-more-intelligent-meat-eaters

High IQ Children more likely to become vegetarian: http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/4721

High IQ Linked to being Vegetarian: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6180753.stm

I recommend the BBC documentary "How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth?" if you wanna learn about how much cultivation is ruining our planet. You can't blame the meat industry for everything, just saying'.

There's no definitive answer to that, since it is subjective. Common reasons not to eat meat include:
1- Ethical reasons; when someone does not believe that killing animals is an OK thing to do when there are plenty of alternatives to eat.
2- Health reasons; many people like OP do feel more energetic and less blotted after switching to a vegetarian diet.
3- Environmental and economical reasons; it takes about 10 times more ressource (plants and water) to get one calory of meat, than if someone directly eats one plant-based calory. Also, factory farming litteraly releases a huge amount of crap in our soils, and some have concerns about that polluting the water we drink.

Now back to topic, like I said, people are free to chose what they want to eat and that should be respected, but from there to say being a vegetarian, or an atheism makes have a better IQ is like I said before idiotic

This is not an issue. Because there's a huge margin between the current situation, and all the world becoming vegetarian; that's litteraly impossible. And actually, most of the phosphorus we use is mined from calcium phosphate rocks. And there's phosphorus in all cell membranes, wether they come from animals or plants.

And has anyone raised the issue that if everyone went vegetarian in the world and we stopped meat production with farms and such we would run out of phosphor which we need to provide the population with vegetarian food by 2035~ (source forgotten but feel free to google it)?

There's no definitive answer to that, since it is in many ways subjective. Common reasons not to eat meat include:
1- Ethical reasons; when someone does not believe that killing animals is an OK thing to do when there are plenty of alternatives to eat.
2- Health reasons; many people like OP do feel more energetic and less blotted after switching to a vegetarian diet.
3- Environmental and economical reasons; it takes about 10 times more ressource (plants and water) to get one calory of meat, than if someone directly eats one plant-based calory. Also, factory farming litteraly releases a huge amount of crap in our soils, and some have concerns about that polluting the water we drink.

Since it is a conversation between you two I don't want to middle but I'll just reply to this since you are writing in bold, hmm wouldn't a similar analogy to the animal world, is to leave the animals on their own and eat everything they give birth for ? I mean if you take for example potatoes aren't potatoes the seed for future potato plants the same is giving birth to spread ?

How am I a troll? you are not replying to me on the correct thread and you are polluting other topics with this discussion, sorry but if anyone is trolling here it would be you. yeah and again thank you for you pointing out my poor grammar and typos, like I said before English is the 4th language I speak, if you want to pick that feel free to do so as if I care.

Has anyone actually been able to provide a legit and good argument why you should not eat meat? And no, I'm not asking why veganism is good, and I don't care about it, I just wanna know what's BAD with eating meat. And no bullshit "it's bad for you", constructive arguments.

Since it is a conversation between you two I don't want to middle but I'll just reply to this since you are writing in bold, hmm wouldn't a similar analogy to the animal world, is to leave the animals on their own and eat everything they give birth for ? I mean if you take for example potatoes aren't potatoes the seed for future potato plants the same is giving birth to spread ?

That plants do not have a nervous system comparable to animals is of zero relevance to the whole argument.

I assume you read what I wrote in the paragraph, but did not read the substance that was quoted. Let me reiterate:

The whole concept of suffering is a human one. It is not permissible to judge the "subjective plant reality" based on concepts from subjective human reality (note that I do not use the term "subjective" to imply consciousness in a human sense). There's no way to infer that similarity or dissimilarity makes killing wrong in one case (animals) but right in another case (plants).

Most food plants are cultivated (ill-breeded, genetically mutilated and grown in unnatural habitats) only to serve human consumption.

Seems like your brain is failing . "are your brain capacity fails to do this much?" doesn't make any sense. And 'dismantle anything you say with facts' lol. I definitely know you’re a troll now.

sigh! can't you reply to me on the topic we were discussing this on instead of just insulting, you do like polluting other people topics don't you? are your brain capacity fails to do this much? after the 5 time asking you to do so I'm starting to believe it is the case. Post on the correct thread, and I'll be more than happy to reply to you and dismantle anything you say with facts.

No my last point was not addressed. The whole concept of suffering is a human one. It is not permissible to judge the "subjective plant reality" based on concepts from subjective human reality (note that I do not use the term "subjective" to imply consciousness in a human sense). There's no way to infer that similarity or dissimilarity makes killing wrong in one case (animals) but right in another case (plants).

Most food plants are cultivated (ill-breeded, genetically mutilated and grown in unnatural habitats) only to serve human consumption. This is in no way less condemnable than what humans do to animals.

The essence: Surviving sometimes means killing.

ya.ya.yo!

Haha you're truly incredible. You see how you twist points here and someone think you're correct on something that was never even the argument. I've given you plenty of reasons why you're a moron. How can you be correct on an argument we weren’t even discussing (although for some bizarre moronic reason you think we were) and nobody but yourself was involved with? This just proves yet again you cannot comprehend anything I say. I'm nearly done with replying to the other thread, so I suggest you stop replying to this one with your nonsense.

MEAT!