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February 16, 2016, 05:52:25 AM
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What are you trying to prove? I already said that there was less than 200 deaths every year because of terrorist attacks so that was not the big deal the media and the politics want to make us believe. You're just proving my point.
You said 200 / year in the EU.  I pointed out you had about that many just in your Safe Country Where Criminals Obey The Laws.  Please thousand injuried.

Hell of a success you got there.  Viva Charlie Hebro.

Lol no, 140 deaths in the biggest terrorist attacks in Europe since... Pff don't even know! It was so big the whole world cried and was with us xD
And not thousand injured, roughly 500.

Ok I'll admit this one, maybe in the year of the biggest terrorist attacks ever done in Europe the number of deaths was maybe a bit higher than 200 ^^
Take any other year and it will no longer be the case.
And the idea was to claim that number of deaths because of terrorist attacks is ridiculously low. If it's 300 maybe it's 300 whatever...
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The additional consequences:

1) Police (often indescriminate from gangs) now have a list of armed people to rob, harass, or steal guns from illegally. They can also sell this list to other criminal groups.

2) You have no ability to protect yourself where it is needed most, going about your daily activities.

3) You have no right to defend yourself at home either, because by the time you load your weapon whoever it is you are preparing it for will already be on top of you.

More drivel from ignorant Frenchmen who have never even seen a real gun in person. Enjoy the new French Caliphate.

Oh we enjoy it don't worry! We enjoy it the same way we enjoy our free of mass shootings and our low violent crimes and rapes rates <3

I let you the "right to protect yourself" given because of your incredible fear of everything including your lack of trust in your own police. I prefer the way we do it, trust in our fellow citizens and our police. Which leads to know we can hang out pretty much anywhere at anytime.

And for your 2 and 3.... Again if you feel so much the need to "protect yourself" maybe you don't live in a safe and correct place to live and raise a family. You should move buddy.

I'm not your buddy, guy.  I'm not your guy, friend. I'm not your friend, buddy.

Sure, you are free of mass shootings, except for you know the Muslim extremists walking your streets executing people with AK-47s. This has nothing to do with fear, its called self reliance and independence. I am not going to put the responsibility for protecting my life and the lives of my friends, family, and neighbors in the hands of some government bureaucrat who is in effect an armed revenue collection agent for his jurisdiction. It is easy to trust your fellow citizens and police when most of you share the same genetic and cultural origins, and only have a population about 1/6th the size of the US. Here we have many different cultures, religions, races, and belief systems all living right next to each other.

Statistics show increased diversity results in more conflict, and therefore an increased need for the ability to defend one's self. We don't have the benefit of as much cultural homogeneity like you do in France and most of Europe, though I know you love to cast firearms as being the cause of the violence rather than a result of violence. I don't need to move, I have the ability to defend myself. I don't have to depend on bureaucrats to save my life minutes away when seconds count. Ignorance of the risks you take is not the same thing as being prepared or being safe buddy guy.

Ahah! Yeah buddy sure.

The Muslim extremists, you mean the two first terrorists attacks in something like 30 years? Oh dman yeah I feel really in danger ^^
And you're talking about cultural differencies and shit like that like USA is incredibly more diversified than France... France has 7% of Muslims while USA something like 1%. We have the diversity of colonization. I don't think we're really less diversified. Anyway as you loved to say so many times during our discussion: "He who claims must prove" so please bring the proofs of a lower diversity in cultures and ethnicity in Europe compared to the USA.

And say whatever you want, you want change the facts:
We got less murders, less rapes, less violent crimes. I feel safe at home and have no need to carry a weapon.

Oh there are more attacks coming buddy, trust me, even if you are to ignorant to see the writing on the wall. Just because you don't think you are in danger doesn't mean you are safe. Ignorance doesn't protect you from reality. BTW when I said diversity, I never said diversity of only Muslims, the USA has many different religions, races, belief systems, and income classes, even much more so than France.

According to the 2014 census data, the USA is 38% non-white ethnicity. Given your nation of France makes collecting official racial demographic information illegal, I am not sure you have much data to argue with. Estimates I have found range from 15%-30% non-white ethnicity within France. Like I said before, France enjoys more racial homogeneity resulting directly in lower crime rates as more people are of similar cultural value systems and conflict is therefore less common.

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/france-population/

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/challenge-french-diversity
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February 15, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
You said 200 / year in the EU.  I pointed out you had about that many just in your Safe Country Where Criminals Obey The Laws.  Please thousand injuried.

Hell of a success you got there.  Viva Charlie Hebro.

I am deeply disturbed by the callousness shown here by the pro-ISIS posters, who claim that 200 deaths is a very small number. It is not! Every single life is precious. How many individuals were killed by Christian, Hindu, Sikh, or Jewish extremists in the European Union, during the past decade? I am sure that the figure is closer to ZERO, than it is to 200.

I see every weeks news of jews and palistines killing each other - and im talking about extremist terror.

There are also examples for religous extremism from hindu and christians in south asia.

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I bet there are like 20.000 people dying in Russia every year because of bad .gov
State terrorism right Wink


Yep, and all of it is government directed.    Smiley
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February 15, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
You said 200 / year in the EU.  I pointed out you had about that many just in your Safe Country Where Criminals Obey The Laws.  Please thousand injuried.

Hell of a success you got there.  Viva Charlie Hebro.

I am deeply disturbed by the callousness shown here by the pro-ISIS posters, who claim that 200 deaths is a very small number. It is not! Every single life is precious. How many individuals were killed by Christian, Hindu, Sikh, or Jewish extremists in the European Union, during the past decade? I am sure that the figure is closer to ZERO, than it is to 200.

I see every weeks news of jews and palistines killing each other - and im talking about extremist terror.

There are also examples for religous extremism from hindu and christians in south asia.

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I bet there are like 20.000 people dying in Russia every year because of bad .gov
State terrorism right Wink
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February 15, 2016, 01:28:34 PM
You said 200 / year in the EU.  I pointed out you had about that many just in your Safe Country Where Criminals Obey The Laws.  Please thousand injuried.

Hell of a success you got there.  Viva Charlie Hebro.

I am deeply disturbed by the callousness shown here by the pro-ISIS posters, who claim that 200 deaths is a very small number. It is not! Every single life is precious. How many individuals were killed by Christian, Hindu, Sikh, or Jewish extremists in the European Union, during the past decade? I am sure that the figure is closer to ZERO, than it is to 200.

Exactly why governments, corporations, and the media define terrorism as something less than it really is. They don't want to show us that all their murders and other harm that they do are terrorism as well. It makes them look sweet and innocent... if they can get away with their re-defining.

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February 15, 2016, 01:25:35 PM
You said 200 / year in the EU.  I pointed out you had about that many just in your Safe Country Where Criminals Obey The Laws.  Please thousand injuried.

Hell of a success you got there.  Viva Charlie Hebro.

I am deeply disturbed by the callousness shown here by the pro-ISIS posters, who claim that 200 deaths is a very small number. It is not! Every single life is precious. How many individuals were killed by Christian, Hindu, Sikh, or Jewish extremists in the European Union, during the past decade? I am sure that the figure is closer to ZERO, than it is to 200.
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February 15, 2016, 12:48:59 PM
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What are you trying to prove? I already said that there was less than 200 deaths every year because of terrorist attacks so that was not the big deal the media and the politics want to make us believe. You're just proving my point.
You said 200 / year in the EU.  I pointed out you had about that many just in your Safe Country Where Criminals Obey The Laws.  Please thousand injuried.

Hell of a success you got there.  Viva Charlie Hebro.
Number of fatalities due to terrorist attacks worldwide between 2006 and 2014
The statistic shows the number of deaths due to terrorism worldwide between 2006 and 2014. Around 32,727 people were killed by terrorists in 2014.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/202871/number-of-fatalities-by-terrorist-attacks-worldwide/

Is that number based on the definition of "terrorist" or "terrorism" as governments define the words? I mean, anyone who is killed with the knowledge that he is being killed by someone, probably is in some kind of terror. This means that almost all the murders that have ever been carried out were acts of terrorism.

Governments are trying to diminish the "badness" and "trauma" of what they are doing to people all the time when they kill and harm people. They do it in the way that they define "terrorist" and terrorism."

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February 15, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
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What are you trying to prove? I already said that there was less than 200 deaths every year because of terrorist attacks so that was not the big deal the media and the politics want to make us believe. You're just proving my point.
You said 200 / year in the EU.  I pointed out you had about that many just in your Safe Country Where Criminals Obey The Laws.  Please thousand injuried.

Hell of a success you got there.  Viva Charlie Hebro.
Number of fatalities due to terrorist attacks worldwide between 2006 and 2014
The statistic shows the number of deaths due to terrorism worldwide between 2006 and 2014. Around 32,727 people were killed by terrorists in 2014.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/202871/number-of-fatalities-by-terrorist-attacks-worldwide/
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February 15, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
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What are you trying to prove? I already said that there was less than 200 deaths every year because of terrorist attacks so that was not the big deal the media and the politics want to make us believe. You're just proving my point.
You said 200 / year in the EU.  I pointed out you had about that many just in your Safe Country Where Criminals Obey The Laws.  Please thousand injuried.

Hell of a success you got there.  Viva Charlie Hebro.
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February 15, 2016, 11:21:43 AM
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Probably. Well to be fair we don't have the same system, USA can hardly apply a rule over the whole country as it's divided into states with some power whereas in France you can set and apply a law everywhere in a few months at most.

But again I was not talking about anything else but my opinion on the subject.
I think you get pushback because you say (well, essentially) "I'd control you," and people respond "Hell, no you won't."

Lol...no big deal...



Meh, as far as I know all I ever said is "gun control is better" and I maintain my position, gun control is really better.
But I'm not going to impose it in the USA, I don't how I could even do that xD

And after all, you're free to kill yourself, I've got no problem with that, I'll just not go live in the USA that's all ^^
You could easily find a dozen locations where there were no guns, places that were pretty "European like."

But you'd want to check the crime stats, because some of them are really not safe.  Here, it seems like the big cities that the liberals have ran for ages, Chicago, Detroit, guns are illegal but ALL the criminals have guns, resulting in sort of a chaos in which ordinary citizens are the victims.  Clearly, other parts of the world are different.

It's easy also to find places where virtually every one has firearms, where few even bother to lock their doors and it's really quite safe.   Many variations, including between parts of a city or area.   

It may interest you, the first firearm I bought was after a nasty encounter with a rabid animal.  Wound up killing it with a shovel.  Really messy, crude and brutal.  Not wanting to ever deal with something like that again, I went and got a 22 rifle.  If the powers that be had banned guns, well, whatever...

Oh but everyone has the right to own a gun even in France you know?
Lot's of people have rifles for beasts and some have handgun just because they feel they're threaten.

But:
1/ Each weapon is registered at local police
2/ You have no right to go out with your gun ready
3/ You have no right to have your gun ready to fire at home either.

Consequence is that you can NEVER shoot "by accident" as you must first prepare and load your gun.
And the low number of guns + strict registration makes it nearly impossible for criminal use.
I guess you guys in France must have polite, respectful Criminals who obey the laws.

It's more than having a country where you can't buy a gun at your barber helps to have a low number of weapons available. Plus there is no real need for criminals to have guns as the ctizens won't have any. Which means they can do whatever they have to with just the traditional knife. Which means police is most of the time stronger and that you have less risk to die of an encounter with a criminal.

That's something Americans should understand IMO: if your nobody in your country sells guns, it's much harder for criminals to get their hands on one. I didn't say IMPOSSIBLE but much harder. Which means most of them won't have one. Which leads to incredibly less deaths every year.
I prefer having more thiefs and less murderers, but you got the right to chose the opposite.

Here is your wonder of a safe country.  I suggest that you stop blabbing crap like this on the internet.

1/ Each weapon is registered at local police
2/ You have no right to go out with your gun ready
3/ You have no right to have your gun ready to fire at home either.

Here is 2015 in your country.  Looks like the Jihadis are having a pretty easy time in your neighborhoods, doesn't it?  Maybe you should go to the radical Mosques and instruct them in Firearms in France, points 1, 2 and 3?  Maybe they haven't heard?

2015.11.13    France    Paris    19    9    Islamic terrorists pile up nineteen bodies at a restaurant (Belle Equipe).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    0    3    Islamic terrorists stage a suicide bombing outside a cafe Comptoir Voltaire).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    1    0    Islamic terrorists eliminate a passerby with two suicide blasts outside a soccer stadium (Stade de France) and a nearby McDonalds's.
2015.11.13    France    Paris    15    10    Islamic terrorists massacre fifteen innocents at two restaurants (Le Carillon and Le Petit Cambodge).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    5    8    Islamic terrorists shoot up a bar and pizzeria, killing five patrons (La Bonne Biere, Casa Nostra).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    89    322    Islamic terrorists open fire and throw bombs during a concert at a music hall, slaughtering nearly ninety innocents while shouting 'Allah Akbar' (Bataclan).
2015.10.24    France    Marseille    0    2    A man yelling 'Allah Akbar' attacks a rabbi in a synagogue and stabs another Jew trying to help.
2015.08.21    France    Paris    0    3    A Muslim trained by ISIS opens fire with a Kalashnikov on a train before being subdued by unarmed American passengers.
 2015.06.26    France    Lyon    1    2    A 'normal Muslim' attacks a factory, beheads one worker and raises the Islamist flag after hoisting the severed head on a fence.
 2015.04.19    France    Villejuif    1    0    A 24-year-old woman is shot to death by an Islamic extremist who planned a shooting rampage.
2015.02.03    France    Nice    0    3    Three French soldiers standing guard at a Jewish center are stabbed by a radical Muslim.
2015.01.09    France    Paris    4    5    Four hostages are taken and killed by an Islamic gunman at a Jewish grocery.
2015.01.08    France    Montrouge    1    1    A policewoman investigating a traffic accident is ambushed and killed by a Muslim extremist.
 2015.01.07    France    Paris    12    10    A dozen people are slaughtered by gunmen 'avenging' the prophet at a newspaper office which printed satirical cartoons critical of Islam.
2015.11.18    France    Marseille    0    1    A Jewish teacher is stabbed by 'radicalized' Muslims.

What are you trying to prove? I already said that there was less than 200 deaths every year because of terrorist attacks so that was not the big deal the media and the politics want to make us believe. You're just proving my point.

Any idiot who thinks about it for a moment, can easily make all the safe guns he wants out of standard steel pipe, right in his garage, or even in the back room of his house. If he happens to have a grain of intelligence, he can manufacture good guns.

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February 15, 2016, 06:26:52 AM
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Probably. Well to be fair we don't have the same system, USA can hardly apply a rule over the whole country as it's divided into states with some power whereas in France you can set and apply a law everywhere in a few months at most.

But again I was not talking about anything else but my opinion on the subject.
I think you get pushback because you say (well, essentially) "I'd control you," and people respond "Hell, no you won't."

Lol...no big deal...



Meh, as far as I know all I ever said is "gun control is better" and I maintain my position, gun control is really better.
But I'm not going to impose it in the USA, I don't how I could even do that xD

And after all, you're free to kill yourself, I've got no problem with that, I'll just not go live in the USA that's all ^^
You could easily find a dozen locations where there were no guns, places that were pretty "European like."

But you'd want to check the crime stats, because some of them are really not safe.  Here, it seems like the big cities that the liberals have ran for ages, Chicago, Detroit, guns are illegal but ALL the criminals have guns, resulting in sort of a chaos in which ordinary citizens are the victims.  Clearly, other parts of the world are different.

It's easy also to find places where virtually every one has firearms, where few even bother to lock their doors and it's really quite safe.   Many variations, including between parts of a city or area.   

It may interest you, the first firearm I bought was after a nasty encounter with a rabid animal.  Wound up killing it with a shovel.  Really messy, crude and brutal.  Not wanting to ever deal with something like that again, I went and got a 22 rifle.  If the powers that be had banned guns, well, whatever...

Oh but everyone has the right to own a gun even in France you know?
Lot's of people have rifles for beasts and some have handgun just because they feel they're threaten.

But:
1/ Each weapon is registered at local police
2/ You have no right to go out with your gun ready
3/ You have no right to have your gun ready to fire at home either.

Consequence is that you can NEVER shoot "by accident" as you must first prepare and load your gun.
And the low number of guns + strict registration makes it nearly impossible for criminal use.
I guess you guys in France must have polite, respectful Criminals who obey the laws.

It's more than having a country where you can't buy a gun at your barber helps to have a low number of weapons available. Plus there is no real need for criminals to have guns as the ctizens won't have any. Which means they can do whatever they have to with just the traditional knife. Which means police is most of the time stronger and that you have less risk to die of an encounter with a criminal.

That's something Americans should understand IMO: if your nobody in your country sells guns, it's much harder for criminals to get their hands on one. I didn't say IMPOSSIBLE but much harder. Which means most of them won't have one. Which leads to incredibly less deaths every year.
I prefer having more thiefs and less murderers, but you got the right to chose the opposite.

Here is your wonder of a safe country.  I suggest that you stop blabbing crap like this on the internet.

1/ Each weapon is registered at local police
2/ You have no right to go out with your gun ready
3/ You have no right to have your gun ready to fire at home either.

Here is 2015 in your country.  Looks like the Jihadis are having a pretty easy time in your neighborhoods, doesn't it?  Maybe you should go to the radical Mosques and instruct them in Firearms in France, points 1, 2 and 3?  Maybe they haven't heard?

2015.11.13    France    Paris    19    9    Islamic terrorists pile up nineteen bodies at a restaurant (Belle Equipe).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    0    3    Islamic terrorists stage a suicide bombing outside a cafe Comptoir Voltaire).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    1    0    Islamic terrorists eliminate a passerby with two suicide blasts outside a soccer stadium (Stade de France) and a nearby McDonalds's.
2015.11.13    France    Paris    15    10    Islamic terrorists massacre fifteen innocents at two restaurants (Le Carillon and Le Petit Cambodge).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    5    8    Islamic terrorists shoot up a bar and pizzeria, killing five patrons (La Bonne Biere, Casa Nostra).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    89    322    Islamic terrorists open fire and throw bombs during a concert at a music hall, slaughtering nearly ninety innocents while shouting 'Allah Akbar' (Bataclan).
2015.10.24    France    Marseille    0    2    A man yelling 'Allah Akbar' attacks a rabbi in a synagogue and stabs another Jew trying to help.
2015.08.21    France    Paris    0    3    A Muslim trained by ISIS opens fire with a Kalashnikov on a train before being subdued by unarmed American passengers.
 2015.06.26    France    Lyon    1    2    A 'normal Muslim' attacks a factory, beheads one worker and raises the Islamist flag after hoisting the severed head on a fence.
 2015.04.19    France    Villejuif    1    0    A 24-year-old woman is shot to death by an Islamic extremist who planned a shooting rampage.
2015.02.03    France    Nice    0    3    Three French soldiers standing guard at a Jewish center are stabbed by a radical Muslim.
2015.01.09    France    Paris    4    5    Four hostages are taken and killed by an Islamic gunman at a Jewish grocery.
2015.01.08    France    Montrouge    1    1    A policewoman investigating a traffic accident is ambushed and killed by a Muslim extremist.
 2015.01.07    France    Paris    12    10    A dozen people are slaughtered by gunmen 'avenging' the prophet at a newspaper office which printed satirical cartoons critical of Islam.
2015.11.18    France    Marseille    0    1    A Jewish teacher is stabbed by 'radicalized' Muslims.

What are you trying to prove? I already said that there was less than 200 deaths every year because of terrorist attacks so that was not the big deal the media and the politics want to make us believe. You're just proving my point.
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February 15, 2016, 06:25:13 AM
Oh we enjoy it don't worry! We enjoy it the same way we enjoy our free of mass shootings and our low violent crimes and rapes rates <3

More revisionist history, shitting on the graves of disarmed mass murder victims.

Sure revisionist history. Nothing to do with our homicide rate 4 times lower or our rape rate half of USA. I'm just lying.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/France/United-States/Crime
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February 15, 2016, 06:23:03 AM


The additional consequences:

1) Police (often indescriminate from gangs) now have a list of armed people to rob, harass, or steal guns from illegally. They can also sell this list to other criminal groups.

2) You have no ability to protect yourself where it is needed most, going about your daily activities.

3) You have no right to defend yourself at home either, because by the time you load your weapon whoever it is you are preparing it for will already be on top of you.

More drivel from ignorant Frenchmen who have never even seen a real gun in person. Enjoy the new French Caliphate.

Oh we enjoy it don't worry! We enjoy it the same way we enjoy our free of mass shootings and our low violent crimes and rapes rates <3

I let you the "right to protect yourself" given because of your incredible fear of everything including your lack of trust in your own police. I prefer the way we do it, trust in our fellow citizens and our police. Which leads to know we can hang out pretty much anywhere at anytime.

And for your 2 and 3.... Again if you feel so much the need to "protect yourself" maybe you don't live in a safe and correct place to live and raise a family. You should move buddy.

I'm not your buddy, guy.  I'm not your guy, friend. I'm not your friend, buddy.

Sure, you are free of mass shootings, except for you know the Muslim extremists walking your streets executing people with AK-47s. This has nothing to do with fear, its called self reliance and independence. I am not going to put the responsibility for protecting my life and the lives of my friends, family, and neighbors in the hands of some government bureaucrat who is in effect an armed revenue collection agent for his jurisdiction. It is easy to trust your fellow citizens and police when most of you share the same genetic and cultural origins, and only have a population about 1/6th the size of the US. Here we have many different cultures, religions, races, and belief systems all living right next to each other.

Statistics show increased diversity results in more conflict, and therefore an increased need for the ability to defend one's self. We don't have the benefit of as much cultural homogeneity like you do in France and most of Europe, though I know you love to cast firearms as being the cause of the violence rather than a result of violence. I don't need to move, I have the ability to defend myself. I don't have to depend on bureaucrats to save my life minutes away when seconds count. Ignorance of the risks you take is not the same thing as being prepared or being safe buddy guy.

Ahah! Yeah buddy sure.

The Muslim extremists, you mean the two first terrorists attacks in something like 30 years? Oh dman yeah I feel really in danger ^^
And you're talking about cultural differencies and shit like that like USA is incredibly more diversified than France... France has 7% of Muslims while USA something like 1%. We have the diversity of colonization. I don't think we're really less diversified. Anyway as you loved to say so many times during our discussion: "He who claims must prove" so please bring the proofs of a lower diversity in cultures and ethnicity in Europe compared to the USA.

And say whatever you want, you want change the facts:
We got less murders, less rapes, less violent crimes. I feel safe at home and have no need to carry a weapon.
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February 14, 2016, 02:16:34 AM
Here is 2015 in your country.  Looks like the Jihadis are having a pretty easy time in your neighborhoods, doesn't it?  Maybe you should go to the radical Mosques and instruct them in Firearms in France, points 1, 2 and 3?  Maybe they haven't heard?

In France, the terrorists seems to be much better armed, at least when compared to the policemen. There is a huge inflow of illegal fire-arms coming in from the former Yugoslav countries, such as Bosnia and Serbia. Even the firearms which were used for the Bataclan attacks were originally manufactured in Serbia, and then transported to France.
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Oh we enjoy it don't worry! We enjoy it the same way we enjoy our free of mass shootings and our low violent crimes and rapes rates <3

More revisionist history, shitting on the graves of disarmed mass murder victims.
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Probably. Well to be fair we don't have the same system, USA can hardly apply a rule over the whole country as it's divided into states with some power whereas in France you can set and apply a law everywhere in a few months at most.

But again I was not talking about anything else but my opinion on the subject.
I think you get pushback because you say (well, essentially) "I'd control you," and people respond "Hell, no you won't."

Lol...no big deal...



Meh, as far as I know all I ever said is "gun control is better" and I maintain my position, gun control is really better.
But I'm not going to impose it in the USA, I don't how I could even do that xD

And after all, you're free to kill yourself, I've got no problem with that, I'll just not go live in the USA that's all ^^
You could easily find a dozen locations where there were no guns, places that were pretty "European like."

But you'd want to check the crime stats, because some of them are really not safe.  Here, it seems like the big cities that the liberals have ran for ages, Chicago, Detroit, guns are illegal but ALL the criminals have guns, resulting in sort of a chaos in which ordinary citizens are the victims.  Clearly, other parts of the world are different.

It's easy also to find places where virtually every one has firearms, where few even bother to lock their doors and it's really quite safe.   Many variations, including between parts of a city or area.   

It may interest you, the first firearm I bought was after a nasty encounter with a rabid animal.  Wound up killing it with a shovel.  Really messy, crude and brutal.  Not wanting to ever deal with something like that again, I went and got a 22 rifle.  If the powers that be had banned guns, well, whatever...

Oh but everyone has the right to own a gun even in France you know?
Lot's of people have rifles for beasts and some have handgun just because they feel they're threaten.

But:
1/ Each weapon is registered at local police
2/ You have no right to go out with your gun ready
3/ You have no right to have your gun ready to fire at home either.

Consequence is that you can NEVER shoot "by accident" as you must first prepare and load your gun.
And the low number of guns + strict registration makes it nearly impossible for criminal use.
I guess you guys in France must have polite, respectful Criminals who obey the laws.

It's more than having a country where you can't buy a gun at your barber helps to have a low number of weapons available. Plus there is no real need for criminals to have guns as the ctizens won't have any. Which means they can do whatever they have to with just the traditional knife. Which means police is most of the time stronger and that you have less risk to die of an encounter with a criminal.

That's something Americans should understand IMO: if your nobody in your country sells guns, it's much harder for criminals to get their hands on one. I didn't say IMPOSSIBLE but much harder. Which means most of them won't have one. Which leads to incredibly less deaths every year.
I prefer having more thiefs and less murderers, but you got the right to chose the opposite.

Here is your wonder of a safe country.  I suggest that you stop blabbing crap like this on the internet.

1/ Each weapon is registered at local police
2/ You have no right to go out with your gun ready
3/ You have no right to have your gun ready to fire at home either.

Here is 2015 in your country.  Looks like the Jihadis are having a pretty easy time in your neighborhoods, doesn't it?  Maybe you should go to the radical Mosques and instruct them in Firearms in France, points 1, 2 and 3?  Maybe they haven't heard?

2015.11.13    France    Paris    19    9    Islamic terrorists pile up nineteen bodies at a restaurant (Belle Equipe).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    0    3    Islamic terrorists stage a suicide bombing outside a cafe Comptoir Voltaire).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    1    0    Islamic terrorists eliminate a passerby with two suicide blasts outside a soccer stadium (Stade de France) and a nearby McDonalds's.
2015.11.13    France    Paris    15    10    Islamic terrorists massacre fifteen innocents at two restaurants (Le Carillon and Le Petit Cambodge).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    5    8    Islamic terrorists shoot up a bar and pizzeria, killing five patrons (La Bonne Biere, Casa Nostra).
2015.11.13    France    Paris    89    322    Islamic terrorists open fire and throw bombs during a concert at a music hall, slaughtering nearly ninety innocents while shouting 'Allah Akbar' (Bataclan).
2015.10.24    France    Marseille    0    2    A man yelling 'Allah Akbar' attacks a rabbi in a synagogue and stabs another Jew trying to help.
2015.08.21    France    Paris    0    3    A Muslim trained by ISIS opens fire with a Kalashnikov on a train before being subdued by unarmed American passengers.
 2015.06.26    France    Lyon    1    2    A 'normal Muslim' attacks a factory, beheads one worker and raises the Islamist flag after hoisting the severed head on a fence.
 2015.04.19    France    Villejuif    1    0    A 24-year-old woman is shot to death by an Islamic extremist who planned a shooting rampage.
2015.02.03    France    Nice    0    3    Three French soldiers standing guard at a Jewish center are stabbed by a radical Muslim.
2015.01.09    France    Paris    4    5    Four hostages are taken and killed by an Islamic gunman at a Jewish grocery.
2015.01.08    France    Montrouge    1    1    A policewoman investigating a traffic accident is ambushed and killed by a Muslim extremist.
 2015.01.07    France    Paris    12    10    A dozen people are slaughtered by gunmen 'avenging' the prophet at a newspaper office which printed satirical cartoons critical of Islam.
2015.11.18    France    Marseille    0    1    A Jewish teacher is stabbed by 'radicalized' Muslims.
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February 13, 2016, 03:56:25 PM
I guess you guys in France must have polite, respectful Criminals who obey the laws.

In France, there are millions of illegal firearms in circulation. Some of the immigrant dominated banlieues (districts) are outside the jurisdiction of the police force. They are literally no-go zones for the cops. The criminals decide everything in these ghettos. Occasionally the cops conduct a major raid or two, but they soon pull out once the short term objective is achieved.

... or once they are dead, which the media doesn't publicize much.

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February 13, 2016, 02:09:22 PM
I guess you guys in France must have polite, respectful Criminals who obey the laws.

In France, there are millions of illegal firearms in circulation. Some of the immigrant dominated banlieues (districts) are outside the jurisdiction of the police force. They are literally no-go zones for the cops. The criminals decide everything in these ghettos. Occasionally the cops conduct a major raid or two, but they soon pull out once the short term objective is achieved.
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February 13, 2016, 01:28:43 PM


The additional consequences:

1) Police (often indescriminate from gangs) now have a list of armed people to rob, harass, or steal guns from illegally. They can also sell this list to other criminal groups.

2) You have no ability to protect yourself where it is needed most, going about your daily activities.

3) You have no right to defend yourself at home either, because by the time you load your weapon whoever it is you are preparing it for will already be on top of you.

More drivel from ignorant Frenchmen who have never even seen a real gun in person. Enjoy the new French Caliphate.

Oh we enjoy it don't worry! We enjoy it the same way we enjoy our free of mass shootings and our low violent crimes and rapes rates <3

I let you the "right to protect yourself" given because of your incredible fear of everything including your lack of trust in your own police. I prefer the way we do it, trust in our fellow citizens and our police. Which leads to know we can hang out pretty much anywhere at anytime.

And for your 2 and 3.... Again if you feel so much the need to "protect yourself" maybe you don't live in a safe and correct place to live and raise a family. You should move buddy.

I'm not your buddy, guy.  I'm not your guy, friend. I'm not your friend, buddy.

Sure, you are free of mass shootings, except for you know the Muslim extremists walking your streets executing people with AK-47s. This has nothing to do with fear, its called self reliance and independence. I am not going to put the responsibility for protecting my life and the lives of my friends, family, and neighbors in the hands of some government bureaucrat who is in effect an armed revenue collection agent for his jurisdiction. It is easy to trust your fellow citizens and police when most of you share the same genetic and cultural origins, and only have a population about 1/6th the size of the US. Here we have many different cultures, religions, races, and belief systems all living right next to each other.

Statistics show increased diversity results in more conflict, and therefore an increased need for the ability to defend one's self. We don't have the benefit of as much cultural homogeneity like you do in France and most of Europe, though I know you love to cast firearms as being the cause of the violence rather than a result of violence. I don't need to move, I have the ability to defend myself. I don't have to depend on bureaucrats to save my life minutes away when seconds count. Ignorance of the risks you take is not the same thing as being prepared or being safe buddy guy.
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Probably. Well to be fair we don't have the same system, USA can hardly apply a rule over the whole country as it's divided into states with some power whereas in France you can set and apply a law everywhere in a few months at most.

But again I was not talking about anything else but my opinion on the subject.
I think you get pushback because you say (well, essentially) "I'd control you," and people respond "Hell, no you won't."

Lol...no big deal...



Meh, as far as I know all I ever said is "gun control is better" and I maintain my position, gun control is really better.
But I'm not going to impose it in the USA, I don't how I could even do that xD

And after all, you're free to kill yourself, I've got no problem with that, I'll just not go live in the USA that's all ^^
You could easily find a dozen locations where there were no guns, places that were pretty "European like."

But you'd want to check the crime stats, because some of them are really not safe.  Here, it seems like the big cities that the liberals have ran for ages, Chicago, Detroit, guns are illegal but ALL the criminals have guns, resulting in sort of a chaos in which ordinary citizens are the victims.  Clearly, other parts of the world are different.

It's easy also to find places where virtually every one has firearms, where few even bother to lock their doors and it's really quite safe.   Many variations, including between parts of a city or area.   

It may interest you, the first firearm I bought was after a nasty encounter with a rabid animal.  Wound up killing it with a shovel.  Really messy, crude and brutal.  Not wanting to ever deal with something like that again, I went and got a 22 rifle.  If the powers that be had banned guns, well, whatever...

Oh but everyone has the right to own a gun even in France you know?
Lot's of people have rifles for beasts and some have handgun just because they feel they're threaten.

But:
1/ Each weapon is registered at local police
2/ You have no right to go out with your gun ready
3/ You have no right to have your gun ready to fire at home either.

Consequence is that you can NEVER shoot "by accident" as you must first prepare and load your gun.
And the low number of guns + strict registration makes it nearly impossible for criminal use.
I guess you guys in France must have polite, respectful Criminals who obey the laws.

It's more than having a country where you can't buy a gun at your barber helps to have a low number of weapons available. Plus there is no real need for criminals to have guns as the ctizens won't have any. Which means they can do whatever they have to with just the traditional knife. Which means police is most of the time stronger and that you have less risk to die of an encounter with a criminal.

That's something Americans should understand IMO: if your nobody in your country sells guns, it's much harder for criminals to get their hands on one. I didn't say IMPOSSIBLE but much harder. Which means most of them won't have one. Which leads to incredibly less deaths every year.
I prefer having more thiefs and less murderers, but you got the right to chose the opposite.
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