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legendary
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June 23, 2015, 06:37:29 AM
I think its safer if we just trust a stranger to secure our neighborhood than each person have the gun in their home. Can you imagine if someday a person quarrel with his neighbor and be angry?

Although 60 million Americans own firearms, they are used during family/neighbor quarrels very rarely (perhaps 1% of the 14,000 gun-related deaths an year occur due to quarrels between neighbors, or those between family members. So the occurrence rate is like 2 per million, per year. And the home invasion rates are almost 100 times that number.
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June 23, 2015, 06:24:55 AM
Why can't you learn the same rules for yourself by yourself? Why can't you trust your hand holding a gun but are willing to trust a stranger payed to protect you?

Trusting oneself is not "given" by anybody. It is a grown up thing you learn...

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I think its safer if we just trust a stranger to secure our neighborhood than each person have the gun in their home. Can you imagine if someday a person quarrel with his neighbor and be angry? Wow it will be a bloody fight by the guns between them. So, imo it's would be better if there is no gun in society  Smiley


But can a person rob a mall full of people with a knife? It is not about what can happen and what cannot. It is about the necessity of keeping guns. I just want to know if it is really necessary to keep guns?

Well if you have free time you can read it Wink http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/27935069/coastal-grand-mall-store-robbed-at-knife-point-for-second-time-this-month
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June 22, 2015, 10:19:09 PM
It's a waste of time and money.
We all have the right to bare arms.
let us bare them!
legendary
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June 22, 2015, 10:18:27 PM
On June 19, Uber announced it has banned both drivers and law-abiding passengers with concealed permits from having guns with them for self-defense while in Uber vehicles.

Uber is the same company, which blamed the victim when one of its divers raped a female passenger in Delhi, India. Then the Uber chief claimed that the passenger deserved to be raped, as she was careless and slept during her journey. I will never use Uber, or refer its services to any of my friends or family members.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31052849
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June 22, 2015, 05:24:24 PM
You keep posting this gun control propaganda image over and over again (presumably hoping that if you repeat it enough times, people will somehow overlook the fact that while it claims statistics in support of your beliefs, it does not cite the source(s) for them).
I believe I can address your concern about facts and sources.

The Brady Campaign site about gun violence, a top search result, is fully sourced.

One in three people in the U.S. know someone who has been shot.
On average, 31 Americans are murdered with guns every day and 151 are treated for a gun assault in an emergency room.
Every day on average, 55 people kill themselves with a firearm, and 46 people are shot or killed in an accident with a gun.
The U.S. firearm homicide rate is 20 times higher than the combined rates of 22 countries that are our peers in wealth and population.
A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a domestic homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.

More than one in five U.S. teenagers (ages 14 to 17) report having witnessed a shooting.
An average of seven children and teens under the age of 20 are killed by guns every day.
American children die by guns 11 times as often as children in other high-income countries.
Youth (ages 0 to 19) in the most rural U.S. counties are as likely to die from a gunshot as those living in the most urban counties. Rural children die of more gun suicides and unintentional shooting deaths. Urban children die more often of gun homicides.
Firearm homicide is the second-leading cause of death (after motor vehicle crashes) for young people ages 1-19 in the U.S.
In 2007, more pre-school-aged children (85) were killed by guns than police officers were killed in the line of duty.
Gun Violence is a Drain on U.S. Taxpayers

Medical treatment, criminal justice proceedings, new security precautions, and reductions in quality of life are estimated to cost U.S. citizens $100 billion annually.
The lifetime medical cost for all gun violence victims in the United States is estimated at $2.3 billion, with almost half the costs borne by taxpayers.
Americans Support Universal Background Checks

Nine out of 10 Americans agree that we should have universal background checks, including three out of four NRA members.
Since the Brady Law was initially passed, about 2 million attempts to purchase firearms have been blocked due to a background check. About half of these blocked attempts were by felons.
Unfortunately, our current background check system only applies to about 60% of gun sales, leaving 40% (online sales, purchases at gun shows, etc.) without a background check.

I want a bazooka!
If I can't have my own private arsenal of nukes all this fuss about "rights" is just misguided moralizing bullshit about where everyone draws the line on personal firepower.

We have no rights, only privileges. When push comes to shove rights on a piece of paper don't matter anymore, the only thing that matters is that the government has tanks, Apache helicopters, F16s, and battleships. And you have your shotgun. It's beyond moronic.

If big gubmint really wanted to do you harm, it could. If they really wanted to take your guns, they could already do that right now.

WHERE ARE YOU HELP ME WITH YOUR FACTS THIS GUY WILL SORT YOU ALL OUT
BAN GUNS Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy come on help me sort this lot out will you,,,, some more facts Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
just hope some of you gun owners can see the light planet much better place without guns who knows may be in the future they be no guns at all and we don,t even make them any more

good bye my fellow humans
 one more thing you yanks need to learn some ones colour is so because of the weather not because your more special we are all humans and feel and bleed the same Wink Wink

love your fellow man or woman don,t just shoot them
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June 22, 2015, 05:08:49 PM
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3.YOUR GOVERNMENTS COMING TO GET YOUR GUNS[/b]

Quite the opposite is true. I have more gun rights now than at any point in my life. I can buy more kinds of guns and accessories and I can carry in more places. I have gotten more gun rights here in Wisconsin even in the past week.

The FBI study I mentioned found an interesting (and rather obvious) thing.  It is not possible to get guns out of the hands of criminals for the simple reason that they are a necessary tool for their environment.  If somehow one got their preferred weapon out of a criminals grasp they will upgrade rather than downgrade. For instance, if they are denied a .44 they will switch to a 12 ga shotgun rather than a .38.

This principle would also apply (I believe) to lawful citizens.  It will be impossible to remove firearms from citizens in situations where they clearly need them for personal and family safety.  The 'gun grabbers' will likely have one small window of opportunity to grab as many guns as possible in a scenario where it is especially necessary for them to do so.  Such a scenario would be most likely associated with an economic crisis and more totalitarian needs to deal with it.  The scenario would also produce a lot more criminal activity making it basically mandatory for the otherwise lawful to retain their defensive capabilities.


yes but with my laws you  get 25 years for carrying  a gun in public and you never get out for gun murder lets see how many pick up a gun now
plus if your worried about the government attacking its own people a gun wont help you
in the uk we had the I.R.A they used bombs to get a message across and they won in the end
so stop saying incase government attacks the people gun won,t do shit for you if they did attack
guns will be banned in the USA get used to it there gone Wink
 if i lived in the USA i would carry a gun every 1 else got a gun i want one too no one taking a pop at me without getting shot back
and that is because you got more chance  someone sticking you up with a gun than in the uk
and you yanks are fuckin crazy Tongue Tongue Tongue
plus if you don,t like what your government does best thing to do is not pick up a gun just don,t go to work for the super rich bring the country to a stand still
look at france they don,t use guns they destroy businesses government backs down then


 
legendary
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June 22, 2015, 03:34:11 PM
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3.YOUR GOVERNMENTS COMING TO GET YOUR GUNS[/b]

Quite the opposite is true. I have more gun rights now than at any point in my life. I can buy more kinds of guns and accessories and I can carry in more places. I have gotten more gun rights here in Wisconsin even in the past week.

The FBI study I mentioned found an interesting (and rather obvious) thing.  It is not possible to get guns out of the hands of criminals for the simple reason that they are a necessary tool for their environment.  If somehow one got their preferred weapon out of a criminals grasp they will upgrade rather than downgrade. For instance, if they are denied a .44 they will switch to a 12 ga shotgun rather than a .38.

This principle would also apply (I believe) to lawful citizens.  It will be impossible to remove firearms from citizens in situations where they clearly need them for personal and family safety.  The 'gun grabbers' will likely have one small window of opportunity to grab as many guns as possible in a scenario where it is especially necessary for them to do so.  Such a scenario would be most likely associated with an economic crisis and more totalitarian needs to deal with it.  The scenario would also produce a lot more criminal activity making it basically mandatory for the otherwise lawful to retain their defensive capabilities.

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June 22, 2015, 03:19:50 PM



Uber Bans Its Drivers, Passengers From Carrying Guns After Driver With Gun Saves People From Mass Shooting






On June 19, Uber announced it has banned both drivers and law-abiding passengers with concealed permits from having guns with them for self-defense while in Uber vehicles.

This announcement comes three months after an Uber driver with a concealed carry license thwarted an attempted mass shooting by pulling his own weapon and shooting a gunman who had opened fire in Chicago’s Logan Square.

On April 20, the Chicago Tribune reported the driver was watching “a group of people” walk in front of his car on North Milwaukee Avenue just before midnight when 22-year-old Everardo Custodio allegedly “began firing into the crowd.” The Uber driver pulled his own gun and “fired six shots at Custodio,” wounding him in “the shin, thigh, and lower back.”

But now, the AP reports that Uber has decided to ban guns “to make sure riders and drivers feel comfortable.” The previous policy had simply been to follow local laws in areas where Uber drivers operate.

Uber says that “drivers or riders who violate the rule may lose access to the platform.”

The company did not comment on the lives saved by the Uber driver who had a gun in Chicago, nor did they explain what unarmed drivers and law-abiding passengers are supposed to do if there is a similar public attack near their Uber drop-off or pick-up.



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/21/uber-bans-guns-after-driver-uses-one-to-stop-attempted-mass-shooting/


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June 22, 2015, 02:55:00 PM
I just want to know if it is really necessary to keep guns?
Let's hope we don't start outlawing things unless we need them. America is a country filled to the brim whit stuff we do not need.

The greatest need is tied to our form of government, which requires us to fight and die against our own people if they become corrupt. That is a powerful statement and hard for us to understand. But the people who made this government knew that all of your rights are utterly meaningless without an armed populace. Look at our supposed rights to keep the government out of our lives. What is that worth now that we know that our government is spying on us with no regard for our privacy? And now the government wants our guns? As a law abiding citizen of the United States it my duty and responsibility to say NO.  
So why not keep your guns locked up in the range no need to take it home Cheesy
i bet shooting targets is really good fun so i have no problem with that..
just leave your guns at the range Grin Grin

more guns more deaths
 and as someone pointed out you have more chance of getting shot by someone you know than a stranger trying to rob you or invading your home
NO MORE WALKING AROUND LIKE JOHN WAYNE ITS OVER
YOUR GOVERNMENTS COMING TO GET YOUR GUNS  Wink Wink Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Shocked Shocked Shocked
1. why not keep your guns locked up in the range?

Because they are my guns. And they will do me little good when someone is breaking into my home with their guns.

2. more guns more deaths and as someone pointed out you have more chance of getting shot by someone you know than a stranger trying to rob you or invading your home

That is factually incorrect. I grew up in a place where EVERYONE had a gun. And I do mean every family in my neighborhood. Guess how many times we shot each other or accidentally shot someone? It's a silly thing to say you can't defend your life because you might do it wrong. I'll take my chances. Like a lot of shooters in the U.S. I have far more experience and gun knowledge than the cop who is going to show up after the fact.

When I moved to a large city with an outright ban on carrying firearms I was introduced to gun violence. I heard shots all the time. My neighbor across the street (a school principal) was shot through the neck on his front porch and died, my GF at the time faced two home invasions in 1 year, a guy I work with was shot in the stomach by a 13 year old boy on a bet! A home invasion at my place was foiled by my AK-47, and I saw someone shot in a nearby park. What is dangerous is not how many guns but when only some people have guns.

3.YOUR GOVERNMENTS COMING TO GET YOUR GUNS


Quite the opposite is true. I have more gun rights now than at any point in my life. I can buy more kinds of guns and accessories and I can carry in more places. I have gotten more gun rights here in Wisconsin even in the past week.
legendary
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June 22, 2015, 02:32:46 PM
I just want to know if it is really necessary to keep guns?
Let's hope we don't start outlawing things unless we need them. America is a country filled to the brim whit stuff we do not need.

The greatest need is tied to our form of government, which requires us to fight and die against our own people if they become corrupt. That is a powerful statement and hard for us to understand. But the people who made this government knew that all of your rights are utterly meaningless without an armed populace. Look at our supposed rights to keep the government out of our lives. What is that worth now that we know that our government is spying on us with no regard for our privacy? And now the government wants our guns? As a law abiding citizen of the United States it my duty and responsibility to say NO.   
So why not keep your guns locked up in the range no need to take it home Cheesy
i bet shooting targets is really good fun so i have no problem with that..
just leave your guns at the range Grin Grin

more guns more deaths
 and as someone pointed out you have more chance of getting shot by someone you know than a stranger trying to rob you or invading your home
NO MORE WALKING AROUND LIKE JOHN WAYNE ITS OVER
YOUR GOVERNMENTS COMING TO GET YOUR GUNS  Wink Wink Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Shocked Shocked Shocked
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June 22, 2015, 01:30:56 PM
I just want to know if it is really necessary to keep guns?
Let's hope we don't start outlawing things unless we need them. America is a country filled to the brim whit stuff we do not need.

The greatest need is tied to our form of government, which requires us to fight and die against our own people if they become corrupt. That is a powerful statement and hard for us to understand. But the people who made this government knew that all of your rights are utterly meaningless without an armed populace. Look at our supposed rights to keep the government out of our lives. What is that worth now that we know that our government is spying on us with no regard for our privacy? And now the government wants our guns? As a law abiding citizen of the United States it my duty and responsibility to say NO.   
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June 22, 2015, 12:41:13 PM
Not based in the US, it seems to me that all these mass shootings tend to happen in places where there is gun control.  I think it is quite obvious, if someone is going to rob you or your home or try to shoot up a place they will probably do this in a place they know there are no guns for people to defend themselves and stop these things after the first shot.

people stab people  are we going to ban cutlery?

I have not been affected by guns so this is just my opinion from the outside.

Can children keep guns and carry it to school? Can law abiding citizens carry the guns to malls? What if you are on streets and suddenly someone starts shooting? These are the most cases happening in America that whole world is watching.

I think sometimes video games could affected children mind and the children feel that would be great if they can do that in real life. imo we need focus to the point why the shooters did that, not blame to the stuff that used by them. If they want to rob people, so it will be also happened with the knife in their hand.

But can a person rob a mall full of people with a knife? It is not about what can happen and what cannot. It is about the necessity of keeping guns. I just want to know if it is really necessary to keep guns?
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June 22, 2015, 12:37:25 PM

Guns cause a lot of problems for some entities here in the U.S.  One of them is that they make it cost effective for people to live on private property in rural environments.  In my area we have pretty close to zero law enforcement and a lot of meth-heads who's source of income includes theft.  Nearly every household has a firearm handy and there is an amazingly low number of confrontational crimes or gun problems of any kind.  It is actually quite rare to need a gun for protection against other humans.  Dispatching wounded animals is the only thing I've needed my guns for.

One county near me has I think zero law enforcement due to economic pressures.  Forestry and fishing have been reduced by environmentalists to a very low level which is causing economic hardship.  The politicians from the population center of our state want to send some money for 'psychological and law enforcement help' to these folks.  The response is basically 'no thanks...we've got things handled.'  This is driving the politicians nuts.

Generally speaking across the whole country gun problems have been diminishing.  This because the FBI did an actual scientific study and formulated a common sense strategy.  Namely, make the cost of mis-using a firearm very high.  The main 'problem' we have is that certain classes of people have, for whatever reason, really made a big push on the 'problem'.  Noting the actual reason why our 2nd amendment exists one does not need to be to conspiratorial to wonder what the fuss is all about.  The big problem for these folks seems to be that, just like terrorism, there is not enough gun violence and they need to invent more of it.

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June 22, 2015, 12:25:54 PM


Guns are made for one purpose, and that purpose is to kill.
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well, I guess i know your opinion. hehe
Your statement expresses a common misunderstanding about firearms. I have shot for about thirty years and have owned a lot of guns. I still shoot one to three times per week. Pistols, carbines, shotguns, rifles; I practice will all of them. BUT...  despite the belief that guns are for killing, thousands and thousands of us gun owners spend our time shooting pieces of paper with circles on them. I do not kill anything with my target guns except targets, which is what they were designed for.

Hunting is one of the many things that a gun can be used for. Hunting guns are for killing. That may offend someone. But often that person has no problem hiring a guy at a slaughterhouse to slice open the neck of a calf or blow the brains out of a pig with an air compressor. People seem to be ok with violently killing an animal, as long as it was first tortured on a feed-lot.

Then there are the guns specifically for killing people. Most citizens of the planet pay for these guns to be given to their respective military and police efforts. This is socially supported violence against other people. Again, no one seems to want to get their hands dirty. But we do want someone to violently assault certain people. People who think or act differently are historically the main targets.  

Then there is the conceal carry firearm. I am armed everyday with a gun that is for killing, but few who think guns should be banned have any clue about how it all works and the regulations involved. They see things on TV and assume they are legal. In reality the only time one can pull a firearm is To protect your life from an armed person in the act of murdering you, or someone in your immediate presence. If I so much as draw that weapon in public I could go to jail. There are no exceptions to this rule. You can't pull a gun on a thief, or a rapist raping a child in front of you.  
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June 22, 2015, 12:22:55 PM


Why even have a need for an army or even lawmen if we live in peace and love? Maybe because not all are for peace, nor all are for respecting rules and laws?


Do you have a need to lock the door of your home?


EDIT: ^^This^^, before my post.



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June 22, 2015, 12:21:08 PM
I am a European.  I cannot understand why Americans want to have so many people owning guns.

The biggest massacre involving guns happened in Europe. It occurred in a country, which is having one of the toughest gun control laws (Norway) in the world. A lunatic called Anders Behring Breivik was single-handedly able to mow down a total of 77 people, and the policemen present at the scene could not do anything, as they were not armed.
Ok the biggest might have been in Europe, but the frequency and total number killed is much higher in the US than all of Europe combined.

It wasn't that the police present couldn't do anything, he had set off a bomb in the capital city to throw the police off, then he attacked the children on an island that couldn't be quickly reached.
The guy was/is a lunatic and it is dreadful that he managed to get a weapon.  I would prefer that he wasn't able to get a gun, instead of giving lots of people guns to shoot each other in this kind of case (I doubt it would have made a difference as it was a Political Youth camp he attacked, probably not somewhere where people would be armed anyway)

I suppose guns should be banned from everywhere. No guns, extremely less killing, and everybody will leave in peace then. Let only the lawmen, armymen have the guns.

Can you think of a good reason why "lawmen" and "armymen" should automatically be granted the trust to carry weapons while your neighbors should not?  Keep in mind that nationalism is a small step away from racism (referring to armymen), and that lawmen have direct influence upon that which they stand to personally gain.

I can't think of one.  And why do so many people seem to think that banning guns will prohibit criminals from violating the ban in the same ways they already dodge the ban on criminal behaviors?  
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June 22, 2015, 12:19:01 PM
I am a European.  I cannot understand why Americans want to have so many people owning guns.

The biggest massacre involving guns happened in Europe. It occurred in a country, which is having one of the toughest gun control laws (Norway) in the world. A lunatic called Anders Behring Breivik was single-handedly able to mow down a total of 77 people, and the policemen present at the scene could not do anything, as they were not armed.
Ok the biggest might have been in Europe, but the frequency and total number killed is much higher in the US than all of Europe combined.

It wasn't that the police present couldn't do anything, he had set off a bomb in the capital city to throw the police off, then he attacked the children on an island that couldn't be quickly reached.
The guy was/is a lunatic and it is dreadful that he managed to get a weapon.  I would prefer that he wasn't able to get a gun, instead of giving lots of people guns to shoot each other in this kind of case (I doubt it would have made a difference as it was a Political Youth camp he attacked, probably not somewhere where people would be armed anyway)

I suppose guns should be banned from everywhere. No guns, extremely less killing, and everybody will leave in peace then. Let only the lawmen, armymen have the guns.


No more guns = love and peace?

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June 22, 2015, 12:14:54 PM
Okay I need to put a bulletproof on my body, so if someday gun will be legalized then I can prepare my self to face all of my enemies with gun on their hands. Btw like I said before, we don't need the gun if we are living in no/low crimes area.


We should buy the services of a private contractor with guns to keep our living no/low crime rate area safe for our gated community. We can afford it. Tough luck for the others, beyond our gates...

 Roll Eyes




Atleast the gun can't be given to all people in our community. I can trust the private contractor with their guns keep our neighborhood, because they have known rules to using it Smiley


Why can't you learn the same rules for yourself by yourself? Why can't you trust your hand holding a gun but are willing to trust a stranger payed to protect you?

Trusting oneself is not "given" by anybody. It is a grown up thing you learn...

 Cool

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June 22, 2015, 12:10:02 PM
I am a European.  I cannot understand why Americans want to have so many people owning guns.

The biggest massacre involving guns happened in Europe. It occurred in a country, which is having one of the toughest gun control laws (Norway) in the world. A lunatic called Anders Behring Breivik was single-handedly able to mow down a total of 77 people, and the policemen present at the scene could not do anything, as they were not armed.
Ok the biggest might have been in Europe, but the frequency and total number killed is much higher in the US than all of Europe combined.

It wasn't that the police present couldn't do anything, he had set off a bomb in the capital city to throw the police off, then he attacked the children on an island that couldn't be quickly reached.
The guy was/is a lunatic and it is dreadful that he managed to get a weapon.  I would prefer that he wasn't able to get a gun, instead of giving lots of people guns to shoot each other in this kind of case (I doubt it would have made a difference as it was a Political Youth camp he attacked, probably not somewhere where people would be armed anyway)

I suppose guns should be banned from everywhere. No guns, extremely less killing, and everybody will leave in peace then. Let only the lawmen, armymen have the guns.
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June 22, 2015, 12:06:31 PM
Gun control is only so the government has more power over the people. Politicians almost ALWAYS exploit tradagies (Sandy hook shooting, Charleston shooting) to try and push gun control and it is honestly sick, if people accepted guns and weren't brainwashed into thinking everyone that owned a gun or carried a gun is a mass shooter then that would allow law abiding mentally sane citizens to own weapons to defend themselves and their familys rather than cowering in a closet hoping to god that a policeman will arrive before you get shot by a lunatic inside your house.
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