Topic: What's your opinion of gun control? - page 200. (Read 450482 times)

yer and that is why i am saying 25 years for carry a gun
we can get guns around here in uk like lolly pops
so to say i am talking bullshit we have gun problems and there banned are kids are shooting each other because there from over the road stupid it is but if they sold them in shops the kids be shooting each other every 5 mins thank god there banned here but they need to get 25 years for carrying a gun
some will still do it no matter how many years they get but i bet most wont carry tho

if you can get guns like lolly pops then there will be loads of gun murders its the simple truth

 ask your self this do you think you have the right to kill a human for what ever reason
why i ask this?
 just say a man is just ready to jump out ov your window after robbing your house and and you had a gun would you shout hay you stop and give me my stuff back or would you fire at the window first

now if i had a gun in my house and some 1 robbed my house i would shoot at the window for sure then that person could very well die
and no one deserves to die for that but because i had a gun at hand it be instinct you shoot at the window
to protect your self so you thought at the time

now if you never had a gun and seen someone jumping out the window 9 out of 10 times
 you would shout hay you i am on the phone to the police hoping they run because you where a bit scared in case they had a weapon
i know you can get people who would tackle anybody without a gun but most people wont do that BUT if you got a gun at hand it makes you feel that more braver to tackle that person

i would feel safe with a gun if we could have them in the uk
because if anyone tried to rob or hurt me i could blast there heads off
see what having a gun has done to me
 mess with me and i will blast your head off
now that is why you should ban guns less guns less murder SIMPLES 
now say 2 people having a gun fight and your child get caught in the cross fire
if they only had a knife each they only kill each other not your child mum dad so on

humans can loose the plot so easy we are very emotional creatures 1 day we feel good next day we feel bad not good having guns around humans when there feeling bad..
i say 25 years in prison for carrying a gun if you have no permit for that gun
if you carry a gun your intentions are to kill
now you see the pattern why guns should be banned if you can get them like lolly pops then more will die because of guns
a gun as no purpose but to kill
12 year old kid can rob you with a gun
try it with a knife or a stick i would still boot that 12 year old up the butt hole and tell him to fuck off
but if he stuck a gun in my face i would hand over all my cash
see the pattern getting guns like lolly pops not good for humanity
 BAN THEM you only need a gun if your in the army

In this age there is no point in banning guns or this gun control because people can still buy it through illegal ways.. its like disarming the people who only wants to protect themselves from villains.

Bullshit. Rich businessmen are victims of less violent crimes per capita than poor people who can't afford to bribe their way out from under "gun control" (infringement of the human right to self-defense).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings


If guns were only made to kill, then they are defective most of the time as most GSWs are not fatal. The right to self-defense is the primary human and evolutionary right. You "stop" that right, and people are murdered, raped, maimed, and have all their other rights violated with impunity. Do you think criminals with billions of pints of innocent blood on their hands have any compunction about the fabrication of your statistics that "justify" disarming only their innocent victims, despite all proof beyond any reasonable doubt to the contrary?


"Gun control" (disarming only law-abiding, mentally-sound, sober people) works perfectly for violent criminals.


As if murders and lesser violent crimes without guns don't matter.

Murder and violent crime rates tend to have a positive correlation with "gun control", as only violent criminals can have guns and other lethal weapons and their victims cannot effectively defend themselves proportionally, in most cases never having to fire a shot to induce the violent criminal's surrender.

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Too much defending of indefensibly evil, geno/democide-prerequisite, "gun control" laws here. /unwatch

because it is still to easy for criminal to acquire it, they will not buy weapons from local gun shop, they have their secret dealer in the entire world in other country, there is an hidden traffic for that i read it, some got arrested for this, instead for honest people it's much harder to get a weapons

A gun is a tool, I can agree to that..
And a violent person can kill people with and without a gun..

But is a person that is facing a gun run from the bullet?
Why do you have to keep assult rifles in you house?
Why do you need a sniper rifle? (Not counting a hunting rifle for hunting only)
Why do you need a shotgun next to your bed?


The only kind of weapon I can see reason for to have..
Is a 9mm pistol in the nightstand next to your bed for safety if something should happen at home. (Home invasion or something alike)

gun control laws appear to have no effect on crime rates, particularly upon gun murder rates

we always have to consider the possibility that they're only after a stepping stone towards more restrictive legislation.

I think the issue of gun control is so often mischaracterized because the issue of government control casts a veil of ignorance over almost everyone's eyes.  The extent to which guns can be controlled is predominantly influenced by how much control can be exercised by government at the Federal and state levels.  The larger governments get, the more tightly regulation generally controls all other facets of life, including things such as commerce, education, criminal justice, mental and medical health treatment, and even social relationships.  

On one hand, progressively granting government more control propels the myth that people would somehow be unable to work together harmoniously without such structure.  On the other hand, granting such control would make catastrophe all but certain if it were suddenly removed (i.e. we've gotten ourselves in too deep to easily pull ourselves out).  The situation is far more complex than people make it out to be, and you'll never reach a viable solution to the gun issue by simply looking at gun statistics, or even by relating those statistics to other things over which the government has been granted authoritarian control.

I know it, I don't use preview button on any forums I use, it drives people nuts but it's because previews very often don't display information the same as it will look when posted.

Thats why the preview button is there.

Okay that's a fair criticism. I apologize, my posts are very rarely complete when I first publish them, I often do 2-3 minutes of editing to get them just how I want, it's quasi-OCD.

Of course this changes nothing about the data (facts) of this debate.

Gee, I guess I didn't see that the first time considering you added it after I replied. Also, a URL on the chart is NOT a source. A link to the study it came from is a source.

Read the left side of the chart. WARNING: At your IQ, you may need to tilt your head to the left so your brain can process the information properly.



source 1: http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/
source 2: OECD, http://kieranhealy.org

Usually, most intelligent people would conclude that the UK has a much lower population than the US, and thus cite statistics that are adjusted per capita, but you know better than that! Your cited chart is not adjusted for the population differences between the two nations. The US has about 5x as many people in it, OF COURSE the crime rate is going to be higher if not adjusted per capita. This is just another example of how you present misleading and disingenuous statistics to support your failing argument. I see why you stick to parroting other people and posting pictures, that way you don't have to defend your flawed beliefs when challenged.

P.S. try sourcing your data not just posting random unsourced charts. Also I like your after the fact editing.

Not even close. First of all it's an apples to oranges comparison because England is tiny compared to the USA. You could take 2 or 3 of the most violent major us cities and have far more violence than all of the UK.



The data clearly shows that as gun ownership has been declining, violent crime and death has also declined.







That's England, roughly the size of one US state. 53 million people, the entire UK is 64 million people, the USA has ~320 million people.

Also, you should read this http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

Also more violent crime in general.