Topic: What's your opinion of gun control? - page 192. (Read 450551 times)

Pretty much sums it up for me.  Everyone thinks it won't happen to them.  Home invasions and violent attacks happen with regularity every day.

If we could wave the magic wand and criminals wouldn't have guns I'd be all for getting rid of them.  I'm no fan of guns and certainly no 'gun nut', however, in the absence of that pipe dream of eliminating them I'm not going to be left unable to defend my home and family in the unlikely event that some roving asshole(s) decides it's time to make today my lucky day.

I do not live in a high crime area, but still have cameras and motion sensors outside the house to make it difficult if not impossible for someone to gain access without tripping a sensor, and I keep loaded weapons in my home.  I'm no cowboy and absolutely, positively do not want to shoot another human being, but would do so if the only choice was doing so or seeing harm done to my family.

I've got smoke detectors networked, fire extinguishers handy and escape ladders in the 2nd floor bedrooms for similar reasons.  It's not about looking to blow someone's head off, it's about doing whatever possible to prepare for that unlikely, but potentially deadly, possibility.

Detroit woman who admitted killing friend with crock pot during argument over presidential race gets at least 23 years







A Detroit woman who pleaded guilty to fatally beating her friend with a slow cooker during a fight over the 2016 presidential election was sentenced to at least 23 years in jail on Monday.

Tewana Sullivan, 51, who has a history of bipolar disorder, received the recommended term for second-degree murder while mentally ill that she and prosecutors agreed to in plea deal negotiations last month.

Sullivan was declared competent to stand trial and she later admitted she bludgeoned her friend Cheryl Livy, 66, to death with a crock pot in Livy’s home last October.

She said in court that she hadn’t taken her medication that day and her lawyer John McWilliams said she was drunk at the time of the argument over next year’s presidential race.

“One was for one major political party and the other was for the other major political party,” McWilliams said.

Her friend was also brandishing a cooking pot and wouldn’t let her leave the apartment in the Detroit suburb of Livonia when she tried, Sullivan said, according to WKBD-TV. Police officers reportedly found Livy unconscious with the slow cooker’s cord around her neck.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/woman-killed-friend-crock-pot-23-years-article-1.2259385


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... We Need More Regulations & Control...

Nobody ever stated legally owning a gun in your house for self defense was a threat to their entire neighborhood either... Nobody ever said legally owning a gun in your private home would automatically turn you into a mall or bank robber either.

I certainly did not...

 

Wow have you ever heard about someone was killed by an extinguisher? Or someone robbing mall and bank with an extinguisher in his hand maybe? Oh come on, gun is a weapon. Can you imagine what the difference of person face when you pointing a gun, compared when you pointing an extinguisher to him? Nobody ever state an extinguisher as a threat to them. It seems you really want the gun in your house.

Technically every single human suffers from some kind of mental illness now or will later in its adult life. If you are too shy it is a mental illness. Too pushy with people around you? Mental illness... Should we ban someone for owning a gun now if that person is genetically predisposed to develop some kind of mental illness 40 years from now?

The government only knows you are mentally ill if there is a record of it.  Mental illness in this case applies only to those who have been diagnosed as having one.  There are potentially millions of people who meet the criteria for such a diagnosis but have not actually received one.  It's easy to understand how a mentally ill person can legally obtain a firearm in the absence of a diagnosis.  But are we going to place limits on everyone simply because of what they might possibly do?  Here's the thing about freedom -- you have the right to screw up and do something stupid.  So long as freedom exists, people will always have an opportunity to abuse that freedom.  This isn't a bad thing, it's just the nature of freedom.

How to slaughter a lamb or sheep or goat. Professionally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=penw_Ng93oA

So guns cause mental illness? And home invaders are just good guys who need a little extra cash. 
You do not know any criminals, do you?
Jesus, no wonder so many people die curled up in a ball, hiding under a desk in utter disbelief at the evil people do.

If you know your house or the ones in your neighborhood will never ever ever burn down why keep an extinguisher ready? The logical conclusion your neighbors should have is you are a pyromaniac... Or a fireman looking for an excuse to justify its existence.

 

The government doesn't give anyone guns, people have a RIGHT to own them, and they are free to buy them if they want and they aren't a felon or otherwise known to be violent or severely mentally ill. Inanimate objects can't make people insane. You assume people home invade "not to kill people", but in fact people getting raped and killed in their  homes is a fairly common occurrence in a lot of places, so your assumption there doesn't fly.

Actually I never said that I am living in rich neighborhood, it's just my assumption. I'm living in low crimes area, which we don't need any weapons to protect our house. And I said I'm agree in the case someone lived in dangerous area where many crimes has happened there. I put my previous post here


If you said you are living in not safe area, it's okay if you want a gun in your house. In almost no crime happened area, why you need that? If your neighbors know that you have a gun, so you are considered as a threat in your neighborhood.

Surprisingly enough, I really don't see anyone concealed-carrying their handguns or open carrying their rifles on their back in the US. I've went to Florida, Michigan, NY, Ohio, Cali, Boston...

What liscenses do you have? Can you acquire a suppresor?

However, the government doesn't give people with mental issues firearms to begin with.
They get the gun, and then they become insane.

Also, people home invade not to kill people. They just want their shit.
In that case, not possessing a firearm will actually save a life... even if they're criminal.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anecdotally

You try again.  For example:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11663882

What I said makes sense, e.g. when you make casual observations or indications on the data you have selected.  "Says it all," eh?  Yeah...no it doesn't.

Edit:  Data corresponds to a data set.  A scientific data set is purely observational information.  The data, such as that indicated in your loaded (no pun intended) infographic, is not the result of rigorous analysis -- only mere observation.  That data can then be subjected to rigorous analysis to arrive at some kind of conclusion.  I had quit engaging you because you were unwilling to do such a thing, but instead preferred to keep pasting more infographics as if they somehow mean something all by themselves.  They don't (at least not in a way that is relevant to forming a reasonable conclusion about gun control issues).

This sentence does not make sense. Please try again.

Then why do you use your data anecdotally (i.e. pulling isolated data points and drawing conclusions without ever subjecting those data points to a formal reasoning process)?

That doesn't even include the three I could think of off the top of my head

 1) a supposedly would-be mass shooter in a mall in my state of Oregon who commited suicide when confronted by an off-duty security gaurd who carried.

 2) A chilling 9/11 call by an old lady who had someone breaking into her house:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_bhp-_e_D8  Actually this wasn't the one I was thinking of but there are lots of them like this.  Seems that elderly widows are targets for these kinds of things.

 3)  The most chilling one I can think of in recent times was the lady who fled upstairs into a bathroom crawl-space with her kids.  The invader followed her specifically and quickly.  When he broke down the third door to get at them she filled his head with .32 cal slugs.  Amazingly (and sadly) the guy survived.  He had been recently released from prison and claimed in court that in breaking into the house he was 'just trying to feed his family.'  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr6EaxJ7XWo  The telephone recordings of this incident are hard to listen to.

As I said before, it is a very good bet that in my area any given house will be armed and we just don't see these kinds of things.  There is no doubt in my mind that the low rate of such events is precisely because criminals know very well what the outcome of a robbery attempt will be.  We've got a lot of property crime which happens when a criminal thinks they won't encounter anyone.  These types of crimes are much less lethal.  I'll bet that if gun controls happened here, confrontational crimes and fatalities from them would skyrocket.

Outside our main large population centers the sheriffs and even the Dem representatives tend to be between mildly and strongly pro-gun.  We've got a saying "Oregon Democrats don't want your guns...we've got our own."

Lastly I would say that even if guns were not effective at limiting violent confrontational crime it would be highly cruel to deny individuals the safety they feel in being able to defend themselves.  Even if that feeling were mis-placed (and it's not) it is very strong.  Being alone and vulnerable has to be a very bad feeling for many of our older and less physically capable citizens.  How these gun control fanatics can ignore this is beyond me.