What's your opinion of gun control? - page 191.

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Quote from: photon_coin on June 26, 2015, 12:33:21 PM

if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have them

True by definition, and a tired (albeit accurate) saying. Not fully accurate though; the state can and does issue legal authority to some people of their choice..

Among the classes of people through history who I have the most respect for are those who became 'outlaws' rather than to succumb to tyranny without a fight, and it is more common than not that tyranny comes to a society eventually. For propaganda reasons it is common to be spineless and do a song-n-dance around 2nd amendment issues with yarns of 'sportsman' and 'personal protection' and such. I do it myself. At the end of the day, though, these are not the reasons our 'conspiracy theory gun loon' founders here in the U.S. made the right to bear arms second only to free speech in our bill of rights.

Edit: I might add that one of the main reasons I got interested in Bitcoin in the first place is that it is increasingly unlikely that bearing arms would be effective in achieving the aspirations of the founders.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 26, 2015, 09:14:35 AM

OK... let's imagine that your kid is a martial arts expert, holding degrees in various disciplines such as Karate, Judo, Taekwondo, Krav Maga, Capoeira.etc. Will he be able to defend himself (all alone), if a bunch of goons, armed with machetes and swords attack him? No. That's why, we need fire-arms to defend ourselves and our family members.

Wow, so every kids in neighborhood have a gun in their school bag, and bring it to school and everywhere. It sounds interesting. Do you think a bad guy bought a gun to rob a kid? But if there were many crimes in the neighborhood, then I think it's okay to kids need fire-arms like you said.

Quote from: Wilikon on June 26, 2015, 01:15:05 PM

So you are not going to tell me in what country the neighborhood you are describing is? Fair enough.

I am always talking about the USA by the way...

It will be useless since the crime statistic in my country is different with my neighborhood. So, I hope you can have a gun legally, in case using it to protect your family and house

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Quote from: jayce on June 26, 2015, 12:21:14 AM

Quote from: Wilikon on June 25, 2015, 01:37:22 PM

Never any crimes? Sounds like one of those scandinavian socialist paradise. I want to google the crime rate of your country, its size, legal and illegal immigration data and other statistics so I understand your position better.

Can the neighbor prove the gun does not belong to him and, maybe, was planted by the dude who called the government on him? Or does he go straight to jail?

What is the name of your country?

Thank you.

Can you differ a neighborhood with a whole country? I think you have no idea about what is a neighborhood and statistics. Neighborhood is just a small part of a country, and the statistics in a neighborhood won't affect a country statistics.

So you are not going to tell me in what country the neighborhood you are describing is? Fair enough.

I am always talking about the USA by the way...

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Quote from: Ammate on June 26, 2015, 02:26:16 AM

Quote from: Balerion on June 26, 2015, 02:25:50 AM

Guns should never be legally allowed, they always hurt.

Gun is not good for life style

Judging the lifestyle of others 'is not good for life style' in my opinion.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 26, 2015, 09:14:35 AM

Quote from: jayce on June 26, 2015, 07:15:50 AM

Teach them about how protect their selves is an important thing, but what the deal with weapon. I mean, you may let children to join any martial arts as a self protection to them. But not for weapon.

OK... let's imagine that your kid is a martial arts expert, holding degrees in various disciplines such as Karate, Judo, Taekwondo, Krav Maga, Capoeira.etc. Will he be able to defend himself (all alone), if a bunch of goons, armed with machetes and swords attack him? No. That's why, we need fire-arms to defend ourselves and our family members.

Absolutely.

And when we have armies of gun-armed soldiers that we need to defend against, then we need to form our own armies that have guns so we can defend properly and effectively.

In a lot of ways guns are a bad thing. In some terrific ways they cause peace because their effectiveness makes everyone respect everyone else.

If guns would go away completely and entirely for all times everywhere, things might be different. But this isn't going to happen. Since it isn't going to happen, everyone needs to have guns. HOWEVER, WE NEED TO BE ADAPTED INTO HAVING AND USING GUNS SLOWLY, SINCE WE PRESENTLY DON'T HAVE THE PROPER PSYCHE FOR INSTANT GUN OWNERSHIP.

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Quote from: jayce on June 26, 2015, 07:15:50 AM

Teach them about how protect their selves is an important thing, but what the deal with weapon. I mean, you may let children to join any martial arts as a self protection to them. But not for weapon.

OK... let's imagine that your kid is a martial arts expert, holding degrees in various disciplines such as Karate, Judo, Taekwondo, Krav Maga, Capoeira.etc. Will he be able to defend himself (all alone), if a bunch of goons, armed with machetes and swords attack him? No. That's why, we need fire-arms to defend ourselves and our family members.

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Quote from: tyrexs on June 26, 2015, 06:15:25 AM

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I think we don't need to involve children in weapon issue. It's not enough to just teach gun safety to people, the main point is why people need the gun in their home, and also you must need a license to using a gun.

im not agree,they needed and That's good if you teach your kids and all about safe for protect their self

Teach them about how protect their selves is an important thing, but what the deal with weapon. I mean, you may let children to join any martial arts as a self protection to them. But not for weapon.

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Quote from: maku on June 19, 2015, 05:39:51 AM

Different countries and different regions have different needs. In Texas where the distance between settlements is high you need something to defend. But in New York where people are close by the need of guns is not that important.

Your point of view is one way it is right, wouldn't be really nice, if more settlements get dense in Texas , so that people will get to know each other and create some friendly bonds between them so that they do not need to carry the Gun. Any idea that the killer and victim usually live in the same place Texas or in different place ?

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I think we don't need to involve children in weapon issue. It's not enough to just teach gun safety to people, the main point is why people need the gun in their home, and also you must need a license to using a gun.

im not agree,they needed and That's good if you teach your kids and all about safe for protect their self

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Quote from: Daewoo on June 26, 2015, 02:13:56 AM

The most effective way to achieve many of these goals is to teach gun safety to everyone, including age-appropriate training for children. That way when a gun owner fails to do the right thing, those around him are less likely to hurt themselves, and more likely to recognize the unsafe behavior and correct it.

I think we don't need to involve children in weapon issue. It's not enough to just teach gun safety to people, the main point is why people need the gun in their home, and also you must need a license to using a gun.

No, why would you teach a child to respect a firearm and how it should be treated safely when you can let them be curious and give them motivation to go find one to learn for themselves not fully understanding that a firearm is dangerous and not a toy so when they do come across one they play with it, or let other children do so, thinking it is a game because no one explained it to them in the first place. Good plan.

Instead of trying to child proof the world, why don't you world proof your child? Seems like a much safer alternative than the utopian dream of making the world perfectly safe via endless legislation.

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Quote from: Aggressor66 on June 19, 2015, 04:31:29 AM

Guns are made for one purpose, and that purpose is to kill.
I believe that guns are not weapons, they are tools. How they are used is up to the person holding it.
Guns are especially dangerous in the hands of people who don't know how to use them (i.e., kids and teenagers) as well as those who are mentally ill and/or have a temper problem.
Gun control will not stop violence because a violent person doesn’t need a gun to be violent.
After the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, support for gun control increased dramatically.

Generally in America, the support for gun control has outweighed the support for gun rights.
Are gun control laws constitutional?
What would be your ideal set of laws regarding firearms?

I dont think we should have large central authority making decisions on gun control. Some cultures are different and should be left to self regulate - does this mean some people are going to get shot who otherwise wouldn't, yeah it does. You cant save everyone though.

Living in the UK its very annoying to not be able to own a gun and protect myself, i dont want threats on the street or threat of burglary. Both threats are minimised if people are carrying guns. Bring on decentralization.

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Quote from: Balerion on June 26, 2015, 02:25:50 AM

Guns should never be legally allowed, they always hurt.

So you have issues only with legal possession of weapons? What about those criminals who obtain it illegaly? Right now, it is impossible to completely eradicate illegal gun possession. As far as I know, no country has ever achieved this. So, it will not be wise to remove the possession of fire-arms, using legal means.

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Quote from: Balerion on June 26, 2015, 02:25:50 AM

Guns should never be legally allowed, they always hurt.

Gun is not good for life style

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Guns should never be legally allowed, they always hurt.

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Quote from: Daewoo on June 26, 2015, 02:13:56 AM

The most effective way to achieve many of these goals is to teach gun safety to everyone, including age-appropriate training for children. That way when a gun owner fails to do the right thing, those around him are less likely to hurt themselves, and more likely to recognize the unsafe behavior and correct it.

I think we don't need to involve children in weapon issue. It's not enough to just teach gun safety to people, the main point is why people need the gun in their home, and also you must need a license to using a gun.

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The most effective way to achieve many of these goals is to teach gun safety to everyone, including age-appropriate training for children. That way when a gun owner fails to do the right thing, those around him are less likely to hurt themselves, and more likely to recognize the unsafe behavior and correct it.

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Quote from: Wilikon on June 25, 2015, 01:37:22 PM

Never any crimes? Sounds like one of those scandinavian socialist paradise. I want to google the crime rate of your country, its size, legal and illegal immigration data and other statistics so I understand your position better.

Can the neighbor prove the gun does not belong to him and, maybe, was planted by the dude who called the government on him? Or does he go straight to jail?

What is the name of your country?

Thank you.

Can you differ a neighborhood with a whole country? I think you have no idea about what is a neighborhood and statistics. Neighborhood is just a small part of a country, and the statistics in a neighborhood won't affect a country statistics.

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Quote from: Beliathon on June 25, 2015, 09:51:25 PM

Quote from: Scream on June 25, 2015, 09:44:38 PM

I believe that gun control will not work.First, I believe that guns are not weapons, they are tools. How they are used is up to the person holding it. Guns themselves can't do anything it is the person with the gun that decides where the bullet goes.

Well, technically speaking Sir Isaac Newton decides where the bullet goes. The person holding the gun only gets to decide where it's aimed.

So before newton was born... Bullets did not know where to go? Technically speaking of course...

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Quote from: altcoinhosting on June 19, 2015, 04:36:54 AM

In my country, to own a gun, you need:

- a membership from a shooting range
- you need to be active in the shooting range (at least a dozen times a year)
- you need to take an exam every 5 years
- you need to pay extra tax every 5 years
- your doctor needs to sign a weaver that you are capable of owning a gun
- you need a special cage to store your gun
- you need a signature of every person over 18 years old, living in your house
- certain calibers are just illegal, no normal civillian can own them... Period (it's pretty hard to own a firearm other than caliber 6 and 9 mm)
- the amount of ammunition you can own is limited (i think you can have 10.000 cartridges as a private citizen)

So it's basically almost impossible to own a gun legally (many people own guns illegally tough). However, gun related deaths are pretty low.

EDIT: even after all these thing, the government can change gun controll laws whenever they want. If you stop complying to the new laws, you have to turn in your firearm with the police for free, even when you bought it legally... (this actually happened on two occasions the last couple of years)

this seems overkill. but tbh, i'm torn on the subject. on one hand, i'm generally for minimal government control. on the other hand, i think the pro-gun culture where i live (u.s.a.) is very destructive and contributes to the significantly higher gun violence here than other places.

i don't have a problem with guns, per se. my problem is with the mass of idiots that worship them and believe they are part of their own identity.

The image of the redneck with his confederate flag in the back of his F150 being the biggest gun buyer is not flying anymore...

Women fastest growing demographic for gun buyers

i'm not sure what point you are trying to make. the fact that women might increasingly be becoming gun owners doesn't really have anything to do with what i said.

"i don't have a problem with guns, per se. my problem is with the mass of idiots that worship them and believe they are part of their own identity."

I had a caricature of the iconic redneck with a pickup truck when I read that. For everyone reading this thread it is important to note that caricature is evolving as more and more women understand why the gun is called the great equalizer and this is an amazingly good development. It is not a reply to what you've said directly but more of an update of who the mass of idiots are nowadays. That is all.

God made men, but Sam Colt made them equal. Col. Samuel Colt's revolver continues to serve as an equalizer. Being bigger, tougher and meaner than the next guy isn’t worth much if the next guy carries a gun.

Bad attitude and big muscles make a poor match for a lead slug.

The reason is simple: Firearms reduce the power difference between the weak and the strong. They make it harder for the strong to prey upon the weak. Being strong doesn't help much when you're dead.

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jj832/The_Great_Equalizer.html

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