What's your opinion of gun control? - page 71.

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Quote from: Maximilian_333 on March 19, 2017, 03:09:42 PM

I'm not from America, but I honestly don't understand how a nation can exist with different laws in different States. If I go from one state to another with my gun I have to break the law of the transit state. Nonsense.

The Constitution says that the States all have to respect each others' laws. The respect has to do with the things written in the Constitution and the Amendments. The States all adopted the Federal Constitution as their own when they were accepted into statehood.

The States are separate nations that are governed by the Federal Government nation. Everything is done by agreement.

The 9th Amendment says:

Quote from: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/ninth_amendment

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

In other words, the people retain all the rights they always had before Government came into existence.

Federal Government was there to protect the nation from foreign nations, and to decide squabbles between States. It isn't there to do anything with the people. But the people have freely contracted with the Federal Government this way and that, and that's why Government gets in our face at times.

If we use the 9th Amendment in court, and if we get a jury trial according to the 6th or 7th Amendments, and if we stand as a man or woman unrepresented, we can beat almost all Government laws.

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I don't know how this situation is described in the laws of the United States, but I know more. The tougher in the state belong to the possession of a weapon the more it crimes. Maybe this is the answer to why people need guns.

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Quote from: bra4our on March 19, 2017, 08:59:58 AM

The first amendment clearly states that everyone should be able to own guns. But i think not everyone should own a gun, You cant give a gun to a mentally challenged person and not expect disaster. They should make laws that makes criminal for anyone who's gun is used for to cause harm to another to be sentenced. You cant just buy a gun and leave it anywhere so that your kids talks it to school and kill happen. I also think people who buys guns who be mentally checked to see if their head is in the right place.

Well, there are laws for this situation, and also as far as I know, they have liscenses, like a driving liscense. But I do not know if theybare checking them, or having any certificate that it will not for creating violence but a sign of protection.

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I'm not from America, but I honestly don't understand how a nation can exist with different laws in different States. If I go from one state to another with my gun I have to break the law of the transit state. Nonsense.

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Quote from: ValeryBark on March 19, 2017, 01:57:06 PM

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Quote from: bra4our on March 19, 2017, 08:59:58 AM

The first amendment clearly states that everyone should be able to own guns. But i think not everyone should own a gun, You cant give a gun to a mentally challenged person and not expect disaster. They should make laws that makes criminal for anyone who's gun is used for to cause harm to another to be sentenced. You cant just buy a gun and leave it anywhere so that your kids talks it to school and kill happen. I also think people who buys guns who be mentally checked to see if their head is in the right place.

The first amendment is open to interpretation. When it says that "everyone" should be able to own guns, it doesn't mean that children or mentally handicapped people should be given the right to own guns. Back then, "everyone" meant people who had the right to vote in the elections.

If the person is not capable then he is not entitled to vote. He even disposes of the property through a guardian. I also think that any person should have the right to arms if he is not mentally retarded.

The 1st Amendment says:

Quote from: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

What does that have to do with owning guns?

In the first place, it talks about Congress making laws. It doesn't say anything about the States making their own laws. If a State makes a law about owning guns, you have to find where the State gets its authority to do so. If the State doesn't have the authority to do so, then you have to prosecute the people who infringe on your rights. A law doesn't mean anything if Government doesn't enforce it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2017, 12:34:22 PM

Quote from: bra4our on March 19, 2017, 08:59:58 AM

The first amendment clearly states that everyone should be able to own guns. But i think not everyone should own a gun, You cant give a gun to a mentally challenged person and not expect disaster. They should make laws that makes criminal for anyone who's gun is used for to cause harm to another to be sentenced. You cant just buy a gun and leave it anywhere so that your kids talks it to school and kill happen. I also think people who buys guns who be mentally checked to see if their head is in the right place.

The first amendment is open to interpretation. When it says that "everyone" should be able to own guns, it doesn't mean that children or mentally handicapped people should be given the right to own guns. Back then, "everyone" meant people who had the right to vote in the elections.

If the person is not capable then he is not entitled to vote. He even disposes of the property through a guardian. I also think that any person should have the right to arms if he is not mentally retarded.

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Quote from: bra4our on March 19, 2017, 08:59:58 AM

The first amendment clearly states that everyone should be able to own guns. But i think not everyone should own a gun, You cant give a gun to a mentally challenged person and not expect disaster. They should make laws that makes criminal for anyone who's gun is used for to cause harm to another to be sentenced. You cant just buy a gun and leave it anywhere so that your kids talks it to school and kill happen. I also think people who buys guns who be mentally checked to see if their head is in the right place.

The first amendment is open to interpretation. When it says that "everyone" should be able to own guns, it doesn't mean that children or mentally handicapped people should be given the right to own guns. Back then, "everyone" meant people who had the right to vote in the elections.

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The BIG question is, if there is gun control, who controls the controllers? If police control guns among citizens, who enforces that the police do it right? And who makes sure that "right" is what is best? And what is best?

If all the people carried guns in public all the time, the whole mindset of the nation would be different. In populated areas, all people might want to learn special gun safety for the protection of all people. Police are just people. The difference is the training. If all people were police, we wouldn't need police, and crooks would be scared s**tless that everybody was police. There wouldn't be much if any crime.

The whole idea of gun control has to do with making slaves of average people. The slave owners are the wealthy who control the politicians in Government. Gun control is destruction of a free nation from within.

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The first amendment clearly states that everyone should be able to own guns. But i think not everyone should own a gun, You cant give a gun to a mentally challenged person and not expect disaster. They should make laws that makes criminal for anyone who's gun is used for to cause harm to another to be sentenced. You cant just buy a gun and leave it anywhere so that your kids talks it to school and kill happen. I also think people who buys guns who be mentally checked to see if their head is in the right place.

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As you have said it is not being used properly. So bsically i would have to agree on controlling the only people who could use a gun are those who re qualified or is necessary on their job

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Criminals will do whatever they want. And people who want to live by the law may be deprived of the right to protect themselves and their children. Most people are degraded and now it's scary to go out into the street.

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Quote from: JofryTheKing on March 16, 2017, 07:32:18 AM

I am extremely negative about the legalization of weapons and any opportunities for weapons on the streets. The number of scandals and fights speaks of bad manners and aggressiveness. It is necessary to properly educate children and the need for defense and weapons will fall away.

Crime does not ever run out. I do not understand those people who believe that legal weapons should be banned. Or you do not understand anything in the subject or you bought opponents weapons.

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CONVERSION BARRELS FOR GLOCK PISTOLS

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(Publisher: A friend was over yesterday while I was getting ready for our trip back east. Part of this preparation is the Safe storage of various firearms we have in the home. Those that will be house sitting will bring their own protection, so I can put my protection securely away. One of these tools is a Glock .40 that I purchased from a friend in need of money {which is how I get most of my firearms}. I was told something that I did not know that I thought you should all be aware of about one of the features of Glocks.
Here is my personal situation... I have reloading dies for at least 6 calibers. As part of our activism here in Phoenix, Az many of us learned the economics, law and skill of reloading ammunition. There have been several times that we invite people to come over and learn how to reload and to stock up on their target ammo {boxed ammo for stockpiling is still the better choice for those with the resources, but... having this skill provides more options}. When I got my first .40 caliber firearm I thought, 'Great... another caliber I got to worry about getting ammunition for'. Then the DHS and friends starting buying up gazillions of .40 cal. rounds. In an ideal situation we might think that eventually this is all going to be made available to the peasants as government surplus when the DHS 'stands down' from whatever they think they need that much ammo for (Hollow Point BTW Sad

It's common for me to have concealed (legal without a permit or ANYTHING else here in Arizona

a 9mm KelTec that has a belt clip that can just slip in my Pocket/Clip to my Pocket/Clip to my Belt. It's the smallest gun I could buy that was still at least a 9mm. The handgun I perform the best with is my 9mm Beretta that I've had for well over a decade (but it's too large to carry around all the time). So every year or two I might put out the call that I'm going to be doing some reloading of 9mm and whatever and we'll have a group training class for those interested and we'll stock up on ammo when the supplies are available and everyone isn't in a panic and paying waaaaay too much for anything to do with ammo. But do I have to stock up now on all things .40 caliber now too?

Read more and check out the links at http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/157894-2014-06-20-conversion-barrels-for-glock-pistols.htm.

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I am extremely negative about the legalization of weapons and any opportunities for weapons on the streets. The number of scandals and fights speaks of bad manners and aggressiveness. It is necessary to properly educate children and the need for defense and weapons will fall away.

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Quote from: Forester618 on March 06, 2017, 01:18:29 PM

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Quote from: s0nix on March 06, 2017, 04:25:55 AM

I'm not an American, I can't say anything about Gun Control.
But as a European I'm glad to come from a country where you can not just buy shotguns.
Also in our country there are many idiots. Hard to imagine, if all had guns Angry

With the rule here in my country I feel safer.

Such a good place and safe.. unlike here in my country its not too safe right now even gun is prohibited to buy many people are still are buying guns in illegal ways. that we are always seeing the news about killed people with guns..
Also about the drugs many people are involve in drugs in my country that can be die soon if they caught.

Legal weapons this is your chance to survive and to protect their property during the attack. I don't understand people who are willing to give up such a chance. Or are you pinning their hopes on the cops? Until they get the call you will no longer be alive.

A minimum of 15 minutes, the cops need to get to the place of the call, and during that time the offender can destroy a house tenants. Weapons people need.

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Quote from: s0nix on March 06, 2017, 04:25:55 AM

I'm not an American, I can't say anything about Gun Control.
But as a European I'm glad to come from a country where you can not just buy shotguns.
Also in our country there are many idiots. Hard to imagine, if all had guns Angry

With the rule here in my country I feel safer.

Such a good place and safe.. unlike here in my country its not too safe right now even gun is prohibited to buy many people are still are buying guns in illegal ways. that we are always seeing the news about killed people with guns..
Also about the drugs many people are involve in drugs in my country that can be die soon if they caught.

Legal weapons this is your chance to survive and to protect their property during the attack. I don't understand people who are willing to give up such a chance. Or are you pinning their hopes on the cops? Until they get the call you will no longer be alive.

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Quote from: s0nix on March 06, 2017, 04:25:55 AM

I'm not an American, I can't say anything about Gun Control.
But as a European I'm glad to come from a country where you can not just buy shotguns.
Also in our country there are many idiots. Hard to imagine, if all had guns Angry

With the rule here in my country I feel safer.

Such a good place and safe.. unlike here in my country its not too safe right now even gun is prohibited to buy many people are still are buying guns in illegal ways. that we are always seeing the news about killed people with guns..
Also about the drugs many people are involve in drugs in my country that can be die soon if they caught.

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Last year Obama signed a bill, which the social security Administration to integrate into the biographic checks of citizens in the purchase of weapons.

Thus, citizens who for different reasons cannot take care of themselves, deprived of the constitutional right to self-defence.

Under this category fall those who, because of illness or age may not independently engage in their finances. Such people in the US alone there are 4.2 million

Once services know that the citizens are unable to conduct their business come from social workers, to determine their mental health and then reported to the service biographical checks.

But in February 2017 this Intrusive and unconstitutional the norm of "care" of the citizens was abolished by a vote in the U.S. Congress, and the subsequent signing by the President of the United States on the 28th of last month.

Noteworthy is the reaction of the "democratic media", which stated that the President wants to give weapons to mentally ill people.

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i think the use of guns have been abused in many countries especially in the US. It has become very easy to get a license or even purchase it in our local stores. you walk in the streets these days and you come across a young man holding a gun at you . I think Guns must be really controlled to avoid the issues we hear each day .

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Thanks to gun control, all our 'ordinary people' are left with are torches and hayforks to defend themselves. I think that is laughable because when protecting ones property for example, a good shot of hail in the buttocks serves more than scaring away 1 intruder. They tend to stay away after.

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