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legendary
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December 30, 2016, 12:25:59 PM
Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿

Great example, considering the crew and passengers of the hijacked planes on 9/11 were disarmed.

In fact, the Federal Flight Deck Officer program was launched after 9/11 which allows eligible crew members to carry firearms to prevent such an attack from occurring in the future.

We can only speculate what would have happened if any of the crew or passengers were armed on that day, but I imagine that those planes wouldn't have been flown into the WTC buildings, at the very least.

Hijackers were armed with shaving razors and pepper spray...

Allegedly... but exactly my point!
legendary
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December 30, 2016, 12:24:39 PM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting

This one wasn't covered much...didn't help 'advance the narrative' I suppose.  Might be one of the few which wasn't a staged psy-op even.  Once or twice a year there probably is an genuine organic-ish crack-pot who goes on a rampage.

Good lord that he was a pot head.
Reading the details: 10.000 visitors and he stood in the atrium, opened fire and only killed two people with an AR-15.

An AR-15 is just another rifle.  I suspect that the idiots who think that an AR-15 some magical power to self-aim and shoot around corners have very limited hands-on experience with firearms and it is crystal clear that their brains have been highly affected by well funded public relations campaigns.

Any somewhat clear-thinking gun-grabber will readily admit that they are starting with 'assault rifles' simply for PR reasons, and intend to move on to everything which compromises the ability of the state to monopolize security.  I expect that most of them have really not thought beyond that and asked themselves 'why?' exactly.

AR-15's 'look scary' which is why they are a useful propaganda tools.  They don't have any magical powers at all.  Indeed, firearms in general are sub-optimal to cause significant casualties in crowded areas relative to other technologies.  The biggest 'problem' with guns is probably that they allow individuals to not need to rely on the state for protection.  This is a bigger issue for people in rural areas where law enforcement is spotty and absent.



Standing between 10.000 people in close quarter with a semi automatic rifle.

Yep you need to be an american sniper to hit something (more then two people).

 Roll Eyes


Someone on the payroll of the nra here? No wonder you can buy alex jones super brain pills.
legendary
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December 30, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting

This one wasn't covered much...didn't help 'advance the narrative' I suppose.  Might be one of the few which wasn't a staged psy-op even.  Once or twice a year there probably is an genuine organic-ish crack-pot who goes on a rampage.

Good lord that he was a pot head.
Reading the details: 10.000 visitors and he stood in the atrium, opened fire and only killed two people with an AR-15.

An AR-15 is just another rifle.  I suspect that the idiots who think that an AR-15 some magical power to self-aim and shoot around corners have very limited hands-on experience with firearms and it is crystal clear that their brains have been highly affected by well funded public relations campaigns.

Any somewhat clear-thinking gun-grabber will readily admit that they are starting with 'assault rifles' simply for PR reasons, and intend to move on to everything which compromises the ability of the state to monopolize security.  I expect that most of them have really not thought beyond that and asked themselves 'why?' exactly.

AR-15's 'look scary' which is why they are a useful propaganda tools.  They don't have any magical powers at all.  Indeed, firearms in general are sub-optimal to cause significant casualties in crowded areas relative to other technologies.  The biggest 'problem' with guns is probably that they allow individuals to not need to rely on the state for protection.  This is a bigger issue for people in rural areas where law enforcement is spotty and absent.

legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1145
December 30, 2016, 11:24:35 AM
Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿

Great example, considering the crew and passengers of the hijacked planes on 9/11 were disarmed.

In fact, the Federal Flight Deck Officer program was launched after 9/11 which allows eligible crew members to carry firearms to prevent such an attack from occurring in the future.

We can only speculate what would have happened if any of the crew or passengers were armed on that day, but I imagine that those planes wouldn't have been flown into the WTC buildings, at the very least.

Hijackers were armed with shaving razors and pepper spray...
legendary
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December 30, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿

Great example, considering the crew and passengers of the hijacked planes on 9/11 were disarmed.

In fact, the Federal Flight Deck Officer program was launched after 9/11 which allows eligible crew members to carry firearms to prevent such an attack from occurring in the future.

We can only speculate what would have happened if any of the crew or passengers were armed on that day, but I imagine that those planes wouldn't have been flown into the WTC buildings, at the very least.
legendary
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December 30, 2016, 07:48:14 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿

From http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/16/officials-say-1-killed-1-wounded-in-pennsylvania-pizza-shop-shooting.html:
A pizza shop customer shot and killed one robber and injured another after they tried to hold up the restaurant Tuesday night, Pennsylvania officials said.

You can find stories like this one all over the place if you look.

Getting rid of out-of-control-government would stop things like 9/11, since government was behind it.

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legendary
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December 30, 2016, 02:26:30 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting

This one wasn't covered much...didn't help 'advance the narrative' I suppose.  Might be one of the few which wasn't a staged psy-op even.  Once or twice a year there probably is an genuine organic-ish crack-pot who goes on a rampage.



Good lord that he was a pot head.
Reading the details: 10.000 visitors and he stood in the atrium, opened fire and only killed two people with an AR-15.
sr. member
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December 30, 2016, 02:21:42 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Yes... for example take in to account the recent truck attacks in Berlin and France. If the citizens were armed, then they could have killed the terrorist before he managed to kill so many people.

Right. Headshot a truck driver/terrorist while he is driving in a crowd. No victims possible.

 Roll Eyes
The victims of course not the end, if the terrorists killed the driver still in motion. But I think that he would not give to go. That bastard fled the scene and now it is not clear who would find the police.
legendary
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December 30, 2016, 02:17:28 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting

This one wasn't covered much...didn't help 'advance the narrative' I suppose.  Might be one of the few which wasn't a staged psy-op even.  Once or twice a year there probably is an genuine organic-ish crack-pot who goes on a rampage.

full member
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December 30, 2016, 02:01:38 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Yes... for example take in to account the recent truck attacks in Berlin and France. If the citizens were armed, then they could have killed the terrorist before he managed to kill so many people.
Guys this grief to ordinary people. I understand that they do not feel protected. The authorities do not cope with the task. I do not know how can help here a permit for the weapon, but the man would be a little bit confident in yourself.
legendary
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December 30, 2016, 01:59:59 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Yes... for example take in to account the recent truck attacks in Berlin and France. If the citizens were armed, then they could have killed the terrorist before he managed to kill so many people.

Right. Headshot a truck driver/terrorist while he is driving in a crowd. No victims possible.

 Roll Eyes
legendary
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December 30, 2016, 01:53:02 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Yes... for example take in to account the recent truck attacks in Berlin and France. If the citizens were armed, then they could have killed the terrorist before he managed to kill so many people.
legendary
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December 30, 2016, 01:45:11 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.

Armed citizens dont stop terrorist. Remember 9/11 [insert any other terror attack]?¿?¿
sr. member
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Merit: 250
December 30, 2016, 01:39:31 AM
If it is not possible to protect yourself, that there are few who will do it for you. If we take into account what is happening in Europe, where people are dying of peaceful streets, the availability of weapons could stop the terrorists.
legendary
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December 29, 2016, 05:17:02 PM
Guns have their uses but people use them for the wrong things.

Were an aggressive race and when we get angry we do stupid things. Imagine having a gun and using it to do stupid things, you cant take those things back. Punching someone and shooting someone have very different outcomes. Because we as humans can't control our emotions I am all for gun control. Civilians shouldn't have them for any reason.

Cops need to be trained in non-lethal force first, every one of them should be armed with a tazer.


We already have gun control. If people are against guns, they don't have any. That is personal gun control. It is your freedom.

Now if you get together with a bunch of your friends, and force others to not have guns, that is taking freedom away from others.

But if you decide to take freedom away, how are you going to do it? If you do it using guns, then you are a hypocrite. If you hire gunmen (Government) to do it, then you lose the rest of your freedom to the gunmen any time they want to take control of you at the point of a gun.


If everybody decided to not use guns, voluntarily, people would still die from other forms of violence, or from old age. Since, as you suggested, it is the nature of people to remain violent at times, let everyone have guns so that the peaceful people can protect themselves from the violent ones. And, so that the peaceful people will remain peaceful under threat of gun violence against them if they become violent with their guns for no reason.

Cool
We need to make a choice or freedom or security. We have the right to do anything but what it will not know. Therefore, if you allow private weapons, who will lose something. This uniquely.

Soldiers in formation use guns. They might be acting in public. But their use is private use, because they each control their gun.

Soldiers and police are simply government. They are people. Let everyone be his own Government because everyone is a "people" just like Government people are, and stop trying to rule others and take their freedom away.

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December 29, 2016, 05:12:43 PM
Guns have their uses but people use them for the wrong things.

Were an aggressive race and when we get angry we do stupid things. Imagine having a gun and using it to do stupid things, you cant take those things back. Punching someone and shooting someone have very different outcomes. Because we as humans can't control our emotions I am all for gun control. Civilians shouldn't have them for any reason.

Cops need to be trained in non-lethal force first, every one of them should be armed with a tazer.


We already have gun control. If people are against guns, they don't have any. That is personal gun control. It is your freedom.

Now if you get together with a bunch of your friends, and force others to not have guns, that is taking freedom away from others.

But if you decide to take freedom away, how are you going to do it? If you do it using guns, then you are a hypocrite. If you hire gunmen (Government) to do it, then you lose the rest of your freedom to the gunmen any time they want to take control of you at the point of a gun.


If everybody decided to not use guns, voluntarily, people would still die from other forms of violence, or from old age. Since, as you suggested, it is the nature of people to remain violent at times, let everyone have guns so that the peaceful people can protect themselves from the violent ones. And, so that the peaceful people will remain peaceful under threat of gun violence against them if they become violent with their guns for no reason.

Cool
We need to make a choice or freedom or security. We have the right to do anything but what it will not know. Therefore, if you allow private weapons, who will lose something. This uniquely.
sr. member
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December 29, 2016, 04:59:19 PM
My views on this issue are often changed. But I know clearly that if there is a gun, it will fire sooner or later.
legendary
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December 28, 2016, 08:03:17 PM
Guns have their uses but people use them for the wrong things.

Were an aggressive race and when we get angry we do stupid things. Imagine having a gun and using it to do stupid things, you cant take those things back. Punching someone and shooting someone have very different outcomes. Because we as humans can't control our emotions I am all for gun control. Civilians shouldn't have them for any reason.

Cops need to be trained in non-lethal force first, every one of them should be armed with a tazer.


We already have gun control. If people are against guns, they don't have any. That is personal gun control. It is your freedom.

Now if you get together with a bunch of your friends, and force others to not have guns, that is taking freedom away from others.

But if you decide to take freedom away, how are you going to do it? If you do it using guns, then you are a hypocrite. If you hire gunmen (Government) to do it, then you lose the rest of your freedom to the gunmen any time they want to take control of you at the point of a gun.


If everybody decided to not use guns, voluntarily, people would still die from other forms of violence, or from old age. Since, as you suggested, it is the nature of people to remain violent at times, let everyone have guns so that the peaceful people can protect themselves from the violent ones. And, so that the peaceful people will remain peaceful under threat of gun violence against them if they become violent with their guns for no reason.

Cool
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December 28, 2016, 04:04:40 PM
Guns have their uses but people use them for the wrong things.

Were an aggressive race and when we get angry we do stupid things. Imagine having a gun and using it to do stupid things, you cant take those things back. Punching someone and shooting someone have very different outcomes. Because we as humans can't control our emotions I am all for gun control. Civilians shouldn't have them for any reason.

Cops need to be trained in non-lethal force first, every one of them should be armed with a tazer.

legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
December 28, 2016, 03:07:12 PM
I would not want anyone could buy a gun so easily how to buy bread in the supermarket. Weapons must not fall into the hands of bandits

It's about time we wake up to the fact that we are the ones who must protect ourselves. We all need guns, to keep the crooks honest, or to kill them when they aren't.

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