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legendary
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May 30, 2019, 07:18:49 AM
#26

Also, I'm hoping more mixers will be created so they will fill the loss of the mixers recently not operating anymore.
You can bet that that will happen.

Look at the darknet markets, even if there's a high risk involved in operating it, there are still people willing to take that risk. I don't think it's any different with bitcoin mixers..

But you have to ask yourself how trustworthy these new mixers really are when they're going to start popping up soon. (They aren't...)

And even if they put some BTC in escrow, and start a signature campaign, no one will know how trustworthy their no-logging policies really are until they're shutdown/seized. (Although that also goes for Chipmixer.)
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May 30, 2019, 06:39:26 AM
#25
I hope no mixer will be shut down next, they are a big loss of the crypto space already, there are only few reputable mixers now and those 2 who are good mixers were shut down and have shut down respectively.

If we cannot prevent this from happening, I hope Chipmixer will stay alive, because it's one of the best mixers in the space.

Also, I'm hoping more mixers will be created so they will fill the loss of the mixers recently not operating anymore.
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May 30, 2019, 05:32:25 AM
#24
LeGaulois, I did not know that BitBlender servers are located in Malaysia, and also I do not know how things work there when it comes to cryptocurrency. But that one mixer is closing down just after other is shut down by authorities in EU, can mean a few things.

- Owner of BitBlender did it in panic and fear, for no real reason.
- BestMixer&BitBlender are somehow connected.
- They get tip that they are next, so they decided to shut down all.
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May 29, 2019, 05:37:31 PM
#23
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EU has very harsh laws when it comes to terrorism and money laundering"

Yeah like many countries btw, but they have no problem to host banks, the most used platforms when it comes to money laundering, whatever illegal activity.
I don't get why someone would run 2 mixers under 2 alias. Unless 1 would be used for an exit scam or something...
BitBlender.io is hosted in Malaysia
legendary
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May 29, 2019, 01:03:04 PM
#22
The fact that one mixer closed is not something to be surprised (they are forced to that), but why BitBlender is make such move? Maybe they're just in fear of the same thing happening to them, or BestMixer and BitBlender have the same owner?

i hope it doesn't suggest that bitblender was operating from europe. anyone operating a mixer or any non-AML compliant service should avoid running servers from the USA or europe. as we've seen with bestmixer, that's a sure way to get shut down and get your customer de-anonymized.

there's no telling how long the police were sniffing/mirroring bestmixer's servers before seizing everything, so even if they didn't keep logs, operating from these jurisdictions is quite dangerous for a mixer's customers.

If you are a mixing service owner you would probably be alarmed if your competitors
is gradually being shut down due to legal reasons thats why its an inevitable thing for you not to think that you would be the next target.Therefore, you would act on advance rather than waiting
yourself to be included into the line.

others will get the opposite idea: with competitors shutting down, there's lots and lots of profit left on the table for the taking, if only one could set up and operate a mixer correctly.....
legendary
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May 29, 2019, 06:39:02 AM
#21
The fact that one mixer closed is not something to be surprised (they are forced to that), but why BitBlender is make such move? Maybe they're just in fear of the same thing happening to them, or BestMixer and BitBlender have the same owner?

I dont think that they do have the same owner but well we dont actually know on whats behind.If you are a mixing service owner you would probably be alarmed if your competitors
is gradually being shut down due to legal reasons thats why its an inevitable thing for you not to think that you would be the next target.Therefore, you would act on advance rather than waiting
yourself to be included into the line.

I have read up some members posted about Bitmixer service on previous years and telling this line;

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO


With this alone they do already have the experience so it isnt really bad to see this as a reference when building up a mixing site.
Next to be axed? Lets see on what site and i dont know why some people here are too salty with Chipmixer. lol
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May 29, 2019, 04:49:59 AM
#20
~snip~

It's not just a problem in mixers, but how and where they operate. EU has very harsh laws when it comes to terrorism and money laundering, and crypto mixers is something what they associate with exactly those things. Solution it to move in some less dangerous countries, and in some way protect yourself from such things. Although today the world is actually a big global village in which it is difficult to remain unnoticed.

The fact that one mixer closed is not something to be surprised (they are forced to that), but why BitBlender is make such move? Maybe they're just in fear of the same thing happening to them, or BestMixer and BitBlender have the same owner?
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May 29, 2019, 03:29:38 AM
#19

Thanks for the list but I was actually looking at the mixers currently running their campaigns here. This development isn't palatable for the growth of Bitcoin.
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May 29, 2019, 02:45:06 AM
#18
Which Mixer is next? Is this going to be the end of the Mixers? What really is going on here? I know the cyber security dudes are keeping a close watch on the Bitcoin mixing sites. But what really is going on?
If you watch what they have said regarding Best mixer raid is that, they started investigating within the first month of its inception and they did that because they choose wrong words in their website to promote their service"website explained to potential customers how mixing their cryptocurrency enabled them to circumvent anti-money-laundering policies." From what i understand those words made them the target for the authorities to go after them. If authorities spent the tax money to investigate they will come up with all the accusation they can and till now they have not provided any proof which illegal coins are washed through their service.
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May 29, 2019, 02:31:10 AM
#17
Make your choice from the list before, anymore could be the next bestmixer and possiblities are some are already under investigation just as bestmixer was but nobody knew although if I was to pick the least favorite to get axed my vote will go to chipmixer (they appear more professional than the rest) I could be wrong though lol Grin Grin.

2019 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites



⭐Name: ChipMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://chipmixer.com
🔹Tor link: chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: PWYW (Pay what you want)

⭐Name: BitMix.Biz
🔹Clearnet link: https://bitmix.biz
🔹Tor link: bitmixbizymuphkc.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  from 0.4% to 4% (+ Network fees 0.001)

⭐Name: BitCloak
🔹Clearnet link: https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com
🔹Tor link: bitcloak43blmhmn.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: Randomized ~2% (+ Network fees 0.001)

⭐Name: Mixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: mixermikevpntu2o.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link:  Here
🔹Fees: From 1% to 5% (depending on the method) (+ Network fees)

⭐Name: PrivCoin
🔹Clearnet link: https://privcoin.io
🔹Tor link: tr5ods7ncr6eznny.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: minimum fee 0.8% (+ Network fees 0.0008)

⭐Name: Pay Shield
🔹Clearnet link: N/A
🔹Tor link: payshld6oxbu5eft.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link:  N/A
🔹Fees: (+ Network fees)

⭐Name: CryptoMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: cryptomixns23scr.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  0.5% + 0.0005BTC

⭐Name: MixTum
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: mixtum5lbuslyow2.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  5% (+ Network fee)

⭐Name: Ecomix
🔹Clearnet link: https://ecomix.io
🔹Tor link:  ecomix7ez6ygyou4.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: From 0.3% to 4% (+ Network fees 0.00001 to 0.0003 )

⭐ Name: Blender.io
🔹 Clearnet link: https://blender.io
🔹 Tor link: blenderiocpxfema.onion
🔹 Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/blenderio-advanced-privacy-for-bitcoin-transactions-mixer-5052876
🔹 Fees: From 0.5% to 2.5% for each operation, plus extra 0.0001 BTC for each tar

⭐Name: Wasabi Wallet
🔹Clearnet link: https://wasabiwallet.io
🔹Tor link: wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 0.003%

⭐Name: BitMaximum
🔹Clearnet link: https://bitmaximum.io
🔹Tor link: bitmaximumgnmsaf.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  From 0.5% to 15% (+ Network fee)

⭐Name: FoxMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://www.foxmixer.com
🔹Tor link: foxmixer6mrsuxrl.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: Vary, depends on confirmation time.

⭐Name: MyBitMix
🔹Clearnet link: http://mybitmix.com Mirror: http://mybitmix.biz
🔹Tor link: mybitmix7rkdtzmi.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  from 0.5% to 3.99% + miners fee 0.0007 per one extra output address

⭐Name: MixerTumbler
🔹Clearnet link: https://mixertumbler.com
🔹Tor link: n/a
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: From 2% to 5% (+ Network fee)
legendary
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May 28, 2019, 05:56:44 PM
#16
BTW, it'd be good to hear of some kind of a reassurance by ChipMixer that they aren't going anywhere, I hope they are unaffected by recent events...

I don't think they've made an official statement but they did refill the escrow address for the signature campaign which is a good sign I suppose.

Chipmixer have dropped a hint that it's business as usual according to that. Still, considering everything that's gone on it would be good business to make an actual statement about it. People may be holding off.
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May 28, 2019, 05:50:38 PM
#15
As long a mixer is able to do a job correctly there is nothing to be afraid. Mixers have been here for years now. If authorities successfully tracked the TXs guess what, it's because the mixer hasn't 'a so great system'

apparently most mixers aren't so great. this guy has broken most of the algorithms used by centralized mixers---all besides chipmixer, that is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/breaking-mixing-services-5117328

We've never got any evidence before but it's something we all knew or suspected. At least I'm and I'm surely not the first and not the last.
3 or 4 years back I remember when I posted here to say some mixers aren't effective and TXs can be tracked if someone has the resources, people replied I was trolling but I wasn't.

Now the thing is, Mixers improved with the years, but not all. While it wasn't a problem before now it is and authorities are after the broken mixers. And I can think of ~2 other mixers as a "good target" for them
legendary
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May 28, 2019, 12:12:18 PM
#14
I know it's hard getting into that campaign, right? Apart from that, is there any reason for wanting them shutdown? I guess Chipmixer participants are apprehensive and jittery now, especially those who don't have a life outside this forum.

What happens happens. I for one would certainly not begrudge them shutting down. Why bother risking it? Even if they're confident in their set up you never know what law enforcement has up its sleeve. And anyone dependent on a sig campaign is a fool. Loads have died with no warning at all.

There is so much money to be made off mixer fees that many more will pop up.  Serious mixers will operate in lenient countries that don't punish people for this type of shit.

If I were toying with it I'd want to see if anything came of Bestmixer prosecution wise. It's possible the operators won't be found. It looks like plenty of people who used it might have been.  

If mixers become considered to be something marginal that also attracts marginal personalities with all the exit scamming that entails. Up until now mixing was seen as a useful adjunct to crypto life, though always a little grey. We may end up with a scummier and scammier class of operators if they go into it with lawless expectations.
legendary
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May 28, 2019, 11:28:46 AM
#13
As long a mixer is able to do a job correctly there is nothing to be afraid. Mixers have been here for years now. If authorities successfully tracked the TXs guess what, it's because the mixer hasn't 'a so great system'

apparently most mixers aren't so great. this guy has broken most of the algorithms used by centralized mixers---all besides chipmixer, that is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/breaking-mixing-services-5117328

So if I'm not mistaken, this is a European thing right now with the shutdowns.  Are the remaining mixing services all based in Europe?  I don't even know where Chipmixer is incorporated.

i would have assumed no mixer operator would be dumb enough to operate from europe. i thought wrong.....
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May 28, 2019, 10:48:18 AM
#12
Forget the signature campaigns man, that's not what we're interested in. In the near future, you will understand why to use mixers, dexs, and privacy-centric crypto, etc.

As long a mixer is able to do a job correctly there is nothing to be afraid. Mixers have been here for years now. If authorities successfully tracked the TXs guess what, it's because the mixer hasn't 'a so great system'
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May 28, 2019, 07:34:13 AM
#11
You know hackers and scammers use this service to get away the coins that they stole   
And people use Tor for all sorts of nefarious purposes, and yet it was designed by the US government (if I'm not completely mistaken).  In any case, nobody has tried to shut it down yet.  If everything that could be used do help criminals got shut down, the world would come to a screeching halt, and what this recent action looks like to me is a witch hunt.

I guess Chipmixer participants are apprehensive and jittery now, especially those who don't have a life outside this forum.
I certainly wouldn't want to see the Chipmixer campaign end, but it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if it did.  I've been in numerous campaigns, and with the exception of 777Coin, they've all ended.  I have a life outside the forum, but I do like earning bitcoin as it gives me some extra dough to experiment with trading and/or holding bitcoin.  It's a pain in the ass buying bitcoin with fiat.

It's a legal grey area. I haven't seen any regulations passed that specifically affect mixers.
I imagine it is, but I doubt any of these mixer services are going to fight back.  And a lot of laws are overarching and can be used to prosecute things you wouldn't think were possible.  So if I'm not mistaken, this is a European thing right now with the shutdowns.  Are the remaining mixing services all based in Europe?  I don't even know where Chipmixer is incorporated.

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May 28, 2019, 07:33:30 AM
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@op Im waiting for chipmixer to to get axed soon.  
Lol... Shocked

I know it's hard getting into that campaign, right? Apart from that, is there any reason for wanting them shutdown?

Spot on.

It makes zero sense other than someone being salty about not being able to participate in the campaign to trash one of the most important services in the space. Based on that, it's probably safe to say that he isn't a Bitcoin user at all, just a leech.

Nothing is more important than privacy in this space. If you can't mix your coins, then you can just as easily hand over all your data to the government and services you use directly. In that regard, I hope that all these shutdowns have made existing mixers more aware of the risks, therefore up their standards and go even more underground where possible.
legendary
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May 28, 2019, 06:51:01 AM
#9
There is so much money to be made off mixer fees that many more will pop up. 
It depends though. With how the fees have increased, small mixing tasks probably cost more than they bring in. Mixers make money off the larger mixing tasks where a small percentage accounts for at least a decent amount.

And even if there was a lot of money to be made, only the existing ones will gobble up probably 90% of the whole market because of how important trust and reputation is. No one is going to trust a freshly started mixer right away.
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May 28, 2019, 06:29:47 AM
#8
You know hackers and scammers use this service to get away the coins that they stole   

Come on. It's the Roubini/Dimon/Schiff argument once again. Not saying this solely to defend mixers, but not because people use mixers, it doesn't automatically mean 100% is for shady purposes. There's nothing wrong with wanting privacy over one's funds.
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May 28, 2019, 05:19:10 AM
#7
 
@op Im waiting for chipmixer to to get axed soon.  
Lol... Shocked

I know it's hard getting into that campaign, right? Apart from that, is there any reason for wanting them shutdown? I guess Chipmixer participants are apprehensive and jittery now, especially those who don't have a life outside this forum.
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