Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 218. (Read 901362 times)

Everybody lives by faith. It is the nature of people. Because it is their nature, it is difficult for them to look at the fact objectively.

Going back to the time that people were formed in their mommy's tummy, people have been learning the truth of God through nature that was building them. They simply forgot it, like we all forget most things from a time of early childhood and before. But, it is still deep down in the subconscious of all people.

All people believe in the existence of God. They simply don't know that they believe this way. The things of life have distracted them. The more they are distracted, the more they forget the early knowledge of God that was building them up in mommy's tummy, and the further they go towards old age and death.

A formal believer in God, simply believes in God a tiny bit on the outside (besides his faith from early childhood, that is). He is still forgetting the early childhood and fetus memories about God. That is why even Godly people die.

There is a Bible passage in the New Testament that goes something like this, "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." In other words, fill yourself constantly on the Bible. God will work all kinds of miracles in you, because your faith will be strengthened and increased.

Now it is you who is talking without thinking. Science DOES equal faith in all sorts of ways. What scientist would look for some aspect of science if he didn't have faith that it could be found? Who would ever formulate scientific theories if he didn't have faith that they might be able to be proven? or if he didn't have faith that his theories would help him prove other things in science? or if he didn't have faith that his peer review would earn him status or money somehow? Most of science absolutely does equal faith.

That's an argument.


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Oh, get off it, BitNow. Everybody has faith. They have faith that things will happen.

Nobody knows the future. Nobody knows for a fact that within the next two seconds some tiny fragment of a meteor is not going to hit them in the head and kill them. But if it's not a meteor, nobody know that some freak chemical action in their body won't kill them, since it has happened to other unsuspecting people in the past.

Everybody lives on faith, even though they may not realize it.

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The existence of God is a problem of Faith: you have it or you don't have it.

Use it wisely.


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Well, now. We wouldn't know that about you, if you hadn't told us. Why not? Because we don't hear anything that you say.

But you have posted with the word logic in many of your posts. You post that I am quoting, above, has logic in it.

 

Oh, this is so rare.  

"I continue the discussion for readers who might be mislead by people who have an agenda." Translation. "I continue the discussion for readers who might be mislead by myself and my agenda."

"I have no hope whatsoever of changing BADecker mind, or whatever BitNow uses to do his thinking..." Translation. "Badecker and BitNow are two people I won't be able to mislead by my agenda."

"...but I do hope that I can reveal their arguments to be the unsupportable opinions they are." Translation. "But I hope that I can change the focus of other people by calling their facts opinions."



Well, thank you again for showing us that the only thing you express about science proving the existence of God, is ad-hominem attacks in subtle form.

If you really believed that science didn't prove the existence of God in the ways that I have said, you would have provided some kind of scientific explanation or evidence backing beliefs up. Rather, you continually focus on me, and attempt to turn the science I use into, simply, my opinions.

Thank you for helping to confirm the science I express, by showing over and over again that you are unable to refute it. And thank you for making the confirmation even stronger, by using subtle ad-hominem attacks on me, thereby proving that you have no other capability.

There is no God in math,
"Vires in numeris" means "Truth in Numbers"

Truth and God are 2 different things as Science and knowledge and as the Bible (KJV) should have separated.


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And, as I thanked organofcorti, so I thank you. Thanks for picking on me, thereby showing that you don't have any way to disprove the science I have shown... which science proves the existence of God.

Your God is math? Math, the way it is used by people, is faulty, right at its base and core.

Since there are no two things that are exactly the same, 1 + 1 can never equal 2; 1 + 1 will always equal 1 + 1. When someone says that 1 + 1 = 2, he is formulating a lie.

Math is the beginning into faulty thinking. The deeper one goes into math, the harder it is to use it, and the easier it is to show its inherent mistakes. Even with computers it ultimately fails.

You are worshiping a false god in math.

Well, I should probably be thanking you for focusing on me rather than how science proves God exits. But what else can you do? since you can't refute the science. So, thanks for helping to validate the science by showing folks how you can't refute it.

Good precision on translation. No doubt a great part of the sense of the sacred texts has been lost through the different languages.

But I deny this part of the sacred texts. Why should I fear the Lord? The Lord is love and forgiveness. If I am wrong He will forgive my mistakes. All I have to do is to be the best man I can that's all.

That makes no sense. I'd ask you to explain, but I know you'll just use it as an opportunity to ask about men and what they are again.


You talked about science and the scientific method is part of that, which you would know if you understood even a little bit about science. Have you ever even met a scientist?


You do not search for wisdom. Your responses just consist of "Be a man!" and "Faith is science" or vice versa. That's not a search for any kind of wisdom or truth. It's not even a search at all. You search for nothing except people that agree with you.



Quoting myself (in 01/2016)

"Wise words"

I understand now that I can live my life as an ignorant but if I want to know Science I must be Wise and Fear the Lord.

Science and Faith have Wisdom in common that is achieved by fearing the Lord.
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
- Pro 1:7
"For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding."
- Pro 2:6
"When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;"
- Pro 2:10
"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33
"The fear of the Lord tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil."
- Pro 19:23
"By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, and honour, and life."
- Pro 22:4

The problem here is the word Science translated with the word Knowledge in English. In italian language the word Science is used instead of the word knowledge.

The word Science is used only 2 times in the Bible (KJV - King James Version): in Daniel 1:4 and Timothy 6:20. In those 2 verses the word in italian was Wisdom and not Science. That explains why I'm stuck with Wisdom and not Science.

Another trick of the anglosaxons?!? The good old Queen did it again?!?

That is strange that the word Science has been translated into English with knowledge: knowledge and Science has 2 different meanings.

You have lost some tradition (latin tradition) in this translation


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Dude...

The Lord in His wisdom never asked humans to be ignorant. Having faith in Him and His projects doesn't mean you can't also try to understand the universe! Science and faith have nothing to do in common! And they're not incompatible!

God might saves us after the end of our life, at least I have faith (faith, not proof) that He will. But for our life on Earth, is in our hand and ours only. God didn't even save His son so why would He care about our actions until He comes to judge us?

You are not following my line: why?


I never talked about scentific method.


That is not trolling: that it search for Wisdom.

Quoting myself:

Best regards.

You asked if I would start a war against religion because you mentioned faith.  I wrote I have no problem with faith, only with your characterisation of science. Now you write "Of course you have a problem: you have no Faith!". This is meaningless, unless you think that science == faith, which as I explained to you before is a contradiction in terms.


You are clearly not a scientist. That is definitely *not* how the scientific method works.


You know, last time I fell for that "For any doubt or information feel free to ask." line, you totally took the piss. You didn't explain anything, you just went on with your weird "Be a man!" quote, which to you seems to mean "Don't ask questions!".

After the way you responded last time I asked you for information, why on earth did you even bother to post that? Did you really think I would again fall for your concern trolling?

Go on. tell me to "Be a man!". Get it out of your system. I know you want to.

Of course you have a problem: you have no Faith!

Science comes from Wisdom which comes from fearing the Lord.

You are trying to get Science without Wisdom: there is no Science in stupidity, you need to find Wisdom!

Wisdom comes from fearing the Lord so you need to start to have Faith.


Instead arguing: starts to have Faith and you will find Wisdom and hence Science.

For any doubt or information feel free to ask.


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I have no problem with faith. It's only when you try to present science as faith that I have a problem.

I have no need to start a war against anything, but if I ever do I know just the wannabe genocidal maniac to get in touch with.

Luckily I never said the word Logic once!

Think what would have happened if I had said the word Faith: would you had been started your personal war against religion?


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