Am I the only one who hates how BitNow always finish his posts by "bets regards" while saying horrible shit and how BADecker finishes by a comptemptful smile even though he just said horrible thins?
It doesn't worry me at all!
Best regards
Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 216. (Read 901343 times)
It doesn't worry me at all!
Best regards
I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.
Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.
(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".
Can you love your enemy organofcorti?
How can you hate something you don't believe in?
An atheist can't hate God because God doesn't exist...
Atheists love you, or they wouldn't spend so much time trying to educate you...
I'm sorry you are so blinded by your faith that you cannot see reason... perhaps some day you will join us
When an atheist says he doesn't believe in God, he is lying, even though he may not know it.
That makes no sense. Please do have some reason. Come on what does that even mean?
Am I the only one who hates how BitNow always finish his posts by "bets regards" while saying horrible shit and how BADecker finishes by a comptemptful smile even though he just said horrible thins?
Very simple but also very untrue. The basis of science is the scientific method, which is a way of observing the world, making hypotheses about the world and testing them. In science, nothing is taken on faith. If we have observations contrary to even a well established and long tested theory, then nothing is unquestionable.
Of course: if you destroy my Faith then nothing is unquestionable.
I just pointed out that your concept of science was incorrect, that's all. You probably meant "theology" rather than "science".
How can I meant something profound if I'm not wise?
Well, you have me there. It's quite a puzzler, all right.
Wisdom comes from Fearing the Lord.
As much as I'd like to take the credit for that, I haven't destroyed anyone's anything. Faith doesn't need science. Only someone whose faith was weak would need science to prop it up.
Thank You for destroying my Faith, sinner!
Best regards.
Best regards.
As much as I'd like to take the credit for that, I haven't destroyed anyone's anything. Faith doesn't need science. Only someone whose faith was weak would need science to prop it up.
You are talking about yourself of course: you have no Faith!
Best regards.
Best regards.
Do you really just do a "no, you are!" post? How old are you?
To answer your question though, no, I was talking about you. You wrote:
Philosophy is lead by Reason (man), Science by Faith (God).
You need science to prop up your faith in God. Christians I know have a very strong faith in God, without any need for science.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Star Wars reference! That's it! +1!! Man, I haven't laughed like this in a long time. Thank you!
My Responsability is Faith.
Taking responsibilities means being a man.
Does anybody hate that?
Best regards.
Yeah - it's just that you're not a man are you? You're a girl.
So either take it like a man or shut up. Too funny.
Very simple but also very untrue. The basis of science is the scientific method, which is a way of observing the world, making hypotheses about the world and testing them. In science, nothing is taken on faith. If we have observations contrary to even a well established and long tested theory, then nothing is unquestionable.
Of course: if you destroy my Faith then nothing is unquestionable.
Thank You for destroying my Faith, sinner!
Best regards.
LOL, that was easy!
Faith already destroyed?
You should change your username to organofcorti-theDestroyer
Quoting myself (in 01/2016)
I don't even pretend to understand that last comment, but all I'm doing is attempting to have a debate with you. All you're doing is avoiding making sense. I have to wonder why? Are you a secret atheist trying to make religious people look disingenuous?
Mathematics is Science is not Logic: I'm not argumenting, I'm saying.
Philosophy is lead by Reason (man), Science by Faith (God).
That is very simple: simple as the idiocy of this argument.
THIS ARGUMENT IS IDIOT BECAUSE YOU NEED WISDOM TO GET OUT OF IDIOCY: WISDOM COMES FROM FEARING THE LORD.
"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33
Best regards.
I feel the need to intervene, even if a little late: child, the way you write makes no sense. Also don't call people idiots. It's really not cool.
...omissis...
Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.
If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.
I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.
Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.
(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".
Can you love your enemy organofcorti?
Best regards.
1. atheists don't have a God. Period. It's not about having another God.
2. atheists don't want God dead. We are saying there is no God. You do see the difference do you not?
"Best regards". LOL
Look. I am not posting with the idea that I am out to defame you in any way. And I suspect that you are not out to do such to me.
The things that I explain in my posts, mostly are the simple explanations. You don't have to believe me, obviously. But if you are interested in some of it, there are libraries full of books and an Internet that has almost as much. In addition, there are my previous posts, many of which have links in them, or instructions about what to search on to see why I say what I do.
This posting is fun. And it is instructional for all who want to take part. But I am not doing it with the idea of writing a book to explain answers to your questions.
The problem is not that I"don't believe" you. It's true that I don't accept statements that I can show to be either invalid or unproveable.
The problem is that while you think that what you're posting is a simple explanation, I have been showing you that your underlying assumptions appear invalid and warrant further discussion.
Since I haven't seen you showing me anything via your posting, and since I haven't been posting any underlying assumptions that I have, your statements here are irrelevant for me, at least regarding the things I have posted.
That's the point - you don't even know what your underlying assumptions are, and I'm trying to find out if they are valid or not. If not valid, your entire argument disappears in a puff of logic.
Now, that's quite presumptuous of you, suggesting that I don't know what my underlying assumptions are.
No, again that's the point. In all of the discussions we had, there were questions you were unable to answer, and to which you were either unable or unwilling to say "I don't know". This being the case, it's fair to conclude that you either don't know or don't want to admit your underlying assumptions.
It seems that you can barely stay on point. Are you a mind reader that you know my underlying assumptions enough so that you can examine them? If you happen to know my underlying assumptions, are you so foolish that you think that you can judge their validity fairly?
Once again, I don't know what your underlying assumptions are because you either don't know or won't admit them. Also, the ability to read minds is fiction, not reality.
If your point is that I am wrong, perhaps I am.
My point is that neither of us knows if you are wrong because once challenged you just change the subject and insult whoever is the target du jour.
Actually, it is your challenge that changes the subject.
No, i was responding to you. No change in subject.
The on-topic part that I was doing was to show why atheists hate religion. You and your challenges without doing your research, shows how you would rather change the subject so that we move away from the proof that God exists, and away from showing atheists why they hate religion... which is... because religion is right, and not even atheists like being proven wrong.
Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.
If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.
Someone give this man a beer! He deserves it!
Let me tell you something, as a theology major, that is: theology is nonsense. And I can and am allowed to say that because mine is an informed opinion. I'm not just talking out of my ass. And after 5 years my opinion (doesn't have to be yours too) is that it's just a bunch of hooey. How easy it is to make nonsense up, make people believe it, and then live out of people's ignorance. It's genius!
Perhaps if you had been a spiritual major, all that theology would have made some sense to you. Too bad. All that training, and what good did it do you. Essentially none... at least in the ways that are worth anything of eternal value.
Go study science with a focus on finding out how cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy combine to prove the existence of God. Then go back and review your theological training. You just might come to understand that even you can be saved for eternal life in pleasure and joy.
Yeah - it took me 5 years of studying theology to finally understand that it's all nonsense. That's my opinion, please respect it, I'll respect your and that's it. Don't force your ideas upon others. Go be with Jesus.
In Hell you will be saying for eternity, "Please God, let that guy force faith in you on me."
If God is so powerful and full of mercy and love He will forgive me, because I'm small and limited and He is all powerful. If not then He is spiteful and keeps spite like a small child.
He is trying to forgive you. But you will receive none of it.
The retarded black person over in Africa, who never learned to read or write, and who is not saved because he worships the idol his family taught him to worship, will be punished less in Hell than you, a theology major, who intentionally rejected God after you found out all about Him.
He can forgive me even if I don't receive it. I mean He can see that I'm small and stupid, right? So it's fine. He's all knowing and all powerful.
Well, thank you again, for helping to prove that God exists, by attempting to take the focus off the science that proves it. Hopefully more and more people will wake up to the fact that God does exist. God even appreciates you for the help you are giving in this area.
Could you tell me why you still going with those sinners?
Best regards.
The validity comes about because of the fact that it exists as it does??
What does that even mean?
Something is because something is? The fact that the Harry Potter exists (it is written) doesn't mean the accounts in it are true.
And tradition and word of mouth are not proof.
I quote that.
Can we agree on the God of the Old Testament: is the God of the Old Testament the same of all 3 monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam)?
Best regards.
As a philosophical experiment I will agree that theoretically all religions worship the same God using different names for it.
That's true deep down inside themselves. That's why Jesus says wording to the effect of, "Unless you repent and become like little children, you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven."
After people become adults, and start formulating what they think God is like, if their formulation doesn't match the truth, they have formed a false god for themselves.
This is why the Bible says, "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." Fill yourself on the Bible, so that you have an accurate picture of God in your mind, so that you are worshiping the true God.
Become naive like children and stupid and obedient like sheep? No thanks! I'll keep my mind to myself.
I'm sure Jesus is alive in heaven but He's not here on earth. And we, here, on earth, deal in real, objective, palpable things.
Can we at least agree on the God of the Old Testament before coming to the one in the New Testament?
Best regards.
So there are two different Gods? Well well - things get interesting.
And to top it off, you throw in silliness?
Silliness? I'm just answering to what you started. If you say silly things, unfortunately that's what I'm answering to.
Free will? That is something I can prove false...
If you believe these 3 common Christian beliefs:
1) God created the universe exactly as it is
2) God could have created the universe differently if he wanted to (billions of possibilities)
3) God is Omniscient (knows the future)
Then free will cannot exist
God created this specific universe, knowing exactly what would happen, including your personal choices (free will)... he could have created a universe where I was a Christian instead of an Atheist, but God created this universe, knowing that I would be an Atheist... It's God's fault I'm an Atheist, not mine!
You have free will in deciding to have faith in him or not.
Best regards.
No. You only have free will to decide not to believe in Him. However, if your free will is weak enough, the Holy spirit can work faith in your heart.
So the Holy Spirit works better on the weak minded/spirited? That's really funny.
That would mean that the ones that are atheists have strong mindsets.
Thank you for the compliment. It's very welcome.
Unfortunately for them, if their spiritual strength is strong enough to resist God, they are resisting their own salvation, and plunging themselves into Hell.
Oh well. They asked for it. Even god gave them this ability. Jesus said, "Shake the dust off your feet."
So being strong is bad and being weak is good? Yeah - church has put all of its money on this premise since the beginning.
That's a new one. Well if that's the case I prefer being strong minded. I'll deal with the other problems when they'll occur.
Better to be a Jedi than a sheep.
Also - you wrote "god" instead of "God". Really, man! Don't you have any respect?!
If we had the proof of His existence then how us, mortals, could oppose His will?
God has left a tiny area of free will open in us. It has to do with aspects of faith that we have in Him. It doesn't have anything to so with any of our standard understanding of free will, like choosing which side of the bed to get out of in the morning.Our free will has to do with limited aspects of our faith in God. That's it. God judges us according to our faith in Him.
Then how could He test us?
God tests us based on the freewill portion of our faith in Him....the area of free will...
Free will? That is something I can prove false...
If you believe these 3 common Christian beliefs:
1) God created the universe exactly as it is
2) God could have created the universe differently if he wanted to (billions of possibilities)
3) God is Omniscient (knows the future)
Then free will cannot exist
God created this specific universe, knowing exactly what would happen, including your personal choices (free will)... he could have created a universe where I was a Christian instead of an Atheist, but God created this universe, knowing that I would be an Atheist... It's God's fault I'm an Atheist, not mine!
A point about free will and prayer...
When you pray for God to change his divine plan to benefit yourself... You claim that you know better than God does? You ask him to change his perfect/divine plan because your kid has cancer? Who are you to question God's divine/perfect plan?!? God gave your kid cancer because that is His plan, and you think you know better than God? The lolz
Logic - can't fight it. Not in this universe. Which, I for one, believe drives this current version of the universe we're living in.
Since God asks us to pray, does Moloch think that God doesn't have the ability to answer prayer according to our way and His at the same time?
Of course GOd answers prayers, it's just that He answers with NO 99,99% of the time.
I also studied physics but I'm not a physician. If a study a certain field makes me only an informed person concerning that field. That's all.
You need to be a priest to study Theology: you cannot study by yourself.
I accept that answer in the "violent discussion" we are having.
Best regards.
EDIT: if Theology can be studied without being a priest give proofs.
It's called theology school. Jeez kid!
It's a serious profession - you can't be doing it without a diploma.
Aren't things like that in Italy as well?
For how long have you been discussing this subject? I don't have the impression that any of use moved from one foot of his position xD
Jesus is the rock.
I am founded on Jesus.
Of course talking to me is like talking to a rock...
You can't move the foundation of the universe, the Rock, Jesus Christ.
Humm... Jesus is different from the Bible. The biggest part of the Bible has nothing to do with Jesus, you know that no?
Now what started this line of thinking?
Actually, you are wrong. The whole theme of the Bible is to show the salvation that Jesus provides. In fact, the beginning of the Gospel of John in the New Testament says:
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
In the quote, the word "Word" is used to refer to both Jesus and the Bible.
In addition, Jesus, Himself, said, referring to the Scriptures (Bible):
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These are they which testify about me.
The Bible is essentially, at least in theme, Jesus.
What about the Leviticus for example? Which is the part where homosexuality or the worship of other gods is heavily punished, most of the time by death (and a painful one). What's the link with Jesus here?
First let me go back to the beginning. After Adam and Eve sinned, God came to them walking in the Garden. They hid themselves because they were naked. You can read about it in Genesis chapter 3. Specifically for our purposes, verse 8:
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Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
God is a Spirit. Spirits don't walk in gardens in the cool of the day. The one aspect of God Who is not only a Spirit only, but is also a man so that He can walk, is Jesus. Jesus was there right in the beginning, already helping people through their sins and mistakes. Read how He helped Adam and Eve, it's in the Bible, in Genesis 3.
Regarding Leviticus, the whole period of the Israel people from the time even before they left Egypt, and throughout the early years in Canaan, Jesus is there... in the form that He has in the beginning chapter(s) of the Revelation. Whenever you see the words "the Angel of the Lord" in the Old Testament, this is talking about Jesus, before He came in His humility - as a child born of Mary. If you see the words, "an angel," or "an angel of the Lord," it probably is not talking about Jesus.
The whole Bible is about Jesus and the things He did to save mankind. In addition, it is written in ways that the reader will get the best advantage out of it... by listening to the stories of real people who lived real lives of trouble, just like all of us.
Stories don't mean anything. Even if they are told by "real" people doesn't mean they are real.
Just once I'd like to see you say something concrete: God exists, and the proof is "X".
Something scientifically proven. Until now you haven't said a thing.
If you really feel like this, there is no way that you can accept anything as scientific fact without doing the experiments yourself.
Do you really speak in this forum because you like to watch how people articulate the "stories" they talk about? Is it simply an exercise of semantics for you?
That's a good point, but still, there's a difference between things told by a priest that talks about air and a scientist that even I haven't repeated its experiment I can go see it.
I can go and see the CERN supercollider - it's real, right?
In a church there are only paintings and statues. But on the other hand there are statues and paintings also in museums and they don't mean anything, just art, no one's implying that they're supernatural, so... you know. There's that.
I've made no ad hominem attacks, subtle or otherwise. I've called you names, sure ( egotistical, callous, unfeeling, incompetent, illogical, easily upset, childish, are just a few that I've either used or consider using) but I haven't done so in the hopes of using that to win an argument. You do.
Thank you, again, for more confirmation of the scientifically proven fact that God exists.
I've made no proof that god exists. You're lying -- unless you'd like to quote the section where I did that?
Rather than focus on disproving it, you focus on me, and maybe yourself. Why do you do this? Simply because you don't have any real evidence that the science I have expressed DOESN'T prove that God exists.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
I don't just "focus on you". I also respond to BitNow, and anyone who posts unsupportable and made up "facts".
Why do you do this? Simply because you don't have any real evidence that the science I have expressed DOESN'T prove that God exists.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
I don't need or even want to prove god doesn't exist. Who knows, a universe creating god that meddles in human affairs might really exist, and it would be *very* interesting times if that was the case! No, I just need to show that a given "proof" that god does exist is in some way logically or scientifically incorrect.
If I happen to miss responding to one of your posts that helps to prove that God exists, please don't take it personally. The thanks is meant to cover even those posts.
No one here has proven god exists.
So, thank you, again, for not refuting the fact that science has proven that God exists... since your continual attempts to circumvent any refuting that you might do are essentially, strengthening of the proofs.
I don't need or even want to prove god doesn't exist. Who knows, a universe creating god that meddles in human affairs might really exist, and it would be *very* interesting times if that was the case! No, I just need to show that a given "proof" that god does exist is in some way logically or scientifically incorrect.
Thanks again for showing that you don't have any science that refutes the scientifically proven fact that God exists... AND for helping me to expand the knowledge of this by not expressing any refutation that you might have.
NOTE: I am sure glad we have copy and paste. It makes it so much easier to thank you.
That's a stupid remark, you can't prove that something doesn't exist. That's the whole point of proving something, it has to be there...
We don't have proofs to refute God existence but we don't have proofs of his existence either. Science will never answer this question that seems rather obvious.
I've made no ad hominem attacks, subtle or otherwise. I've called you names, sure ( egotistical, callous, unfeeling, incompetent, illogical, easily upset, childish, are just a few that I've either used or consider using) but I haven't done so in the hopes of using that to win an argument. You do.
Thank you, again, for more confirmation of the scientifically proven fact that God exists.
I've made no proof that god exists. You're lying -- unless you'd like to quote the section where I did that?
Rather than focus on disproving it, you focus on me, and maybe yourself. Why do you do this? Simply because you don't have any real evidence that the science I have expressed DOESN'T prove that God exists.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
I don't just "focus on you". I also respond to BitNow, and anyone who posts unsupportable and made up "facts".
Why do you do this? Simply because you don't have any real evidence that the science I have expressed DOESN'T prove that God exists.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
I don't need or even want to prove god doesn't exist. Who knows, a universe creating god that meddles in human affairs might really exist, and it would be *very* interesting times if that was the case! No, I just need to show that a given "proof" that god does exist is in some way logically or scientifically incorrect.
If I happen to miss responding to one of your posts that helps to prove that God exists, please don't take it personally. The thanks is meant to cover even those posts.
No one here has proven god exists.
So, thank you, again, for not refuting the fact that science has proven that God exists... since your continual attempts to circumvent any refuting that you might do are essentially, strengthening of the proofs.
I don't need or even want to prove god doesn't exist. Who knows, a universe creating god that meddles in human affairs might really exist, and it would be *very* interesting times if that was the case! No, I just need to show that a given "proof" that god does exist is in some way logically or scientifically incorrect.
Thanks again for showing that you don't have any science that refutes the scientifically proven fact that God exists... AND for helping me to expand the knowledge of this by not expressing any refutation that you might have.
NOTE: I am sure glad we have copy and paste. It makes it so much easier to thank you.
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