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February 04, 2016, 08:49:14 PM

Quoting myself (in 01/2016)

I don't even pretend to understand that last comment, but all I'm doing is attempting to have a debate with you. All you're doing is avoiding making sense. I have to wonder why? Are you a secret atheist trying to make religious people look disingenuous?

Mathematics is Science is not Logic: I'm not argumenting, I'm saying.

Philosophy is lead by Reason (man), Science by Faith (God).

That is very simple: simple as the idiocy of this argument.


Best regards.

Very simple but also very untrue. The basis of science is the scientific method, which is a way of observing the world, making hypotheses about the world and testing them. In science, nothing is taken on faith. If we have observations contrary to even a well established and long tested theory, then nothing is unquestionable.




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February 04, 2016, 08:39:55 PM

Quoting myself (in 01/2016)

I don't even pretend to understand that last comment, but all I'm doing is attempting to have a debate with you. All you're doing is avoiding making sense. I have to wonder why? Are you a secret atheist trying to make religious people look disingenuous?

Mathematics is Science is not Logic: I'm not argumenting, I'm saying.

Philosophy is lead by Reason (man), Science by Faith (God).

That is very simple: simple as the idiocy of this argument.


THIS ARGUMENT IS IDIOT BECAUSE YOU NEED WISDOM TO GET OUT OF IDIOCY: WISDOM COMES FROM FEARING THE LORD.

"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33


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February 04, 2016, 08:37:59 PM

...omissis...

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.


I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
   1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.

Sorry bud, your argument doesn't hold. It commits the logical fallacy of "the excluded middle".

Apart from the fact that (2) is clearly false (ever had children?) I experience more than just two emotions. If I don't love someone, it doesn't mean I hate them. Mostly I just ignore them.


I can see that: master in avoidance!

Quoting myself:

I never said the word logic once!

Logic is about philosophy not Faith.


If you don't hold to logic then don't present arguments which rely on logic.

I don't... I should... what?!? Express like a man you may even be treated like one!

Sorry. In simpler terms: Arguments require logic. Don't make arguments if you don't think logic is real.

Loving someone is not about logic is about Faith.

The definition of hate however is not "anyone I don't love". Most people have more complex emotions than just "love" and "hate".

Why you propose me complexity


Do you find the idea of having more than two emotions a very complex idea?

while you are not even able to be (or to act like) a man?!?

Acting like a man is very important for you, isn't it? You never make clear the things you think are the way a man should act, and if you are a man and you're acting the way you think an adult should, we have very different ideas about this topic. For example, I think adults should be able to experience more emotional range than just love and hate.


Quoting myself (in 08/2015):
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This issue is solved.

This thread can now be closed

Those sinners are ridiculous.

Look at this one here: a man! ...

Atheism is a sin, treat it as such.


If you don't take your own responsibilities you cannot be call a man!


Best regards.


Quoting myself (in 01/2016)

I don't even pretend to understand that last comment, but all I'm doing is attempting to have a debate with you. All you're doing is avoiding making sense. I have to wonder why? Are you a secret atheist trying to make religious people look disingenuous?
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February 04, 2016, 08:31:30 PM

...omissis...

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.


I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
   1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.

Sorry bud, your argument doesn't hold. It commits the logical fallacy of "the excluded middle".

Apart from the fact that (2) is clearly false (ever had children?) I experience more than just two emotions. If I don't love someone, it doesn't mean I hate them. Mostly I just ignore them.


I can see that: master in avoidance!

Quoting myself:

I never said the word logic once!

Logic is about philosophy not Faith.


If you don't hold to logic then don't present arguments which rely on logic.

I don't... I should... what?!? Express like a man you may even be treated like one!

Sorry. In simpler terms: Arguments require logic. Don't make arguments if you don't think logic is real.

Loving someone is not about logic is about Faith.

The definition of hate however is not "anyone I don't love". Most people have more complex emotions than just "love" and "hate".

Why you propose me complexity


Do you find the idea of having more than two emotions a very complex idea?

while you are not even able to be (or to act like) a man?!?

Acting like a man is very important for you, isn't it? You never make clear the things you think are the way a man should act, and if you are a man and you're acting the way you think an adult should, we have very different ideas about this topic. For example, I think adults should be able to experience more emotional range than just love and hate.


Quoting myself (in 08/2015):
Quote

This issue is solved.

This thread can now be closed

Those sinners are ridiculous.

Look at this one here: a man! ...

Atheism is a sin, treat it as such.


If you don't take your own responsibilities you cannot be call a man!


Best regards.
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February 04, 2016, 08:23:49 PM

...omissis...

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.


I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
    1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.

Sorry bud, your argument doesn't hold. It commits the logical fallacy of "the excluded middle".

Apart from the fact that (2) is clearly false (ever had children?) I experience more than just two emotions. If I don't love someone, it doesn't mean I hate them. Mostly I just ignore them.


I can see that: master in avoidance!

Quoting myself:

I never said the word logic once!

Logic is about philosophy not Faith.


If you don't hold to logic then don't present arguments which rely on logic.

I don't... I should... what?!? Express like a man you may even be treated like one!

Sorry. In simpler terms: Arguments require logic. Don't make arguments if you don't think logic is real.

Loving someone is not about logic is about Faith.

The definition of hate however is not "anyone I don't love". Most people have more complex emotions than just "love" and "hate".

Why you propose me complexity


Do you find the idea of having more than two emotions a very complex idea?

while you are not even able to be (or to act like) a man?!?

Acting like a man is very important for you, isn't it? You never make clear the things you think are the way a man should act, and if you are a man and you're acting the way you think an adult should, we have very different ideas about this topic. For example, I think adults should be able to experience more emotional range than just love and hate.


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February 04, 2016, 07:59:34 PM

If you don't hold to logic then don't present arguments which rely on logic.

I don't... I should... what?!? Express like a man you may even be treated like one!

Loving someone is not about logic is about Faith.

The definition of hate however is not "anyone I don't love". Most people have more complex emotions than just "love" and "hate".

Why you propose me complexity while you are not even able to be (or to act like) a man?!?

To understand complexity you must be Wise: Wisdom comes from fearing the Lord.


Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.

Probably. I wasn't aware I had any enemies, but if I did it would depend on who they were, what they did, and so on. If a genocidal tyrant was my enemy, then I would hate them. If someone I cared about became my enemy, I would probably still love them.


Probably...

Probably act like a man you may even be treated like one.

Thank You for the answer.


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February 04, 2016, 07:53:09 PM

...omissis...

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.


I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
   1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.

Sorry bud, your argument doesn't hold. It commits the logical fallacy of "the excluded middle".

Apart from the fact that (2) is clearly false (ever had children?) I experience more than just two emotions. If I don't love someone, it doesn't mean I hate them. Mostly I just ignore them.


I can see that: master in avoidance!

Quoting myself:

I never said the word logic once!

Logic is about philosophy not Faith.


If you don't hold to logic then don't present arguments which rely on logic.

Loving someone is not about logic is about Faith.

The definition of hate however is not "anyone I don't love". Most people have more complex emotions than just "love" and "hate".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.

Probably. I wasn't aware I had any enemies, but if I did it would depend on who they were, what they did, and so on. If a genocidal tyrant was my enemy, then I would hate them. If someone I cared about became my enemy, I would probably still love them.
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February 04, 2016, 06:27:16 PM

Apart from the fact that (2) is clearly false (ever had children?) I experience more than just two emotions. If I don't love someone, it doesn't mean I hate them. Mostly I just ignore them.


I can see that: master in avoidance!

Quoting myself:

I never said the word logic once!

Logic is about philosophy not Faith.


Loving someone is not about logic is about Faith.

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.
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February 04, 2016, 06:24:31 PM

...omissis...

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.


I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
   1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.

Sorry bud, your argument doesn't hold. It commits the logical fallacy of "the excluded middle".

Apart from the fact that (2) is clearly false (ever had children?) I experience more than just two emotions. If I don't love someone, it doesn't mean I hate them. Mostly I just ignore them.

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February 04, 2016, 06:22:56 PM

Clearly not all are impossible for Moloch. He can write posts, because you're responding to them. He can also probably sigh in frustration, if my own experiences in this thread are anything to go by.




I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
   1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.

Can you answer a question?


Best regards.
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February 04, 2016, 06:17:55 PM

How can you hate something you don't believe in?

An atheist can't hate God because God doesn't exist...

Atheists love you, or they wouldn't spend so much time trying to educate you...

I'm sorry you are so blinded by your faith that you cannot see reason... perhaps some day you will join us

That's my point: you cannot hate, you cannot love, you cannot because you have no Faith.

You are a sinner, you can only starts to ask for forgiveness.

Good luck in your journey to forgiveness.


Best regards.

Clearly not all are impossible for Moloch. He can write posts, because you're responding to them. He can also probably sigh in frustration, if my own experiences in this thread are anything to go by.


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February 04, 2016, 05:52:53 PM

How can you hate something you don't believe in?

An atheist can't hate God because God doesn't exist...

Atheists love you, or they wouldn't spend so much time trying to educate you...

I'm sorry you are so blinded by your faith that you cannot see reason... perhaps some day you will join us

That's my point: you cannot hate, you cannot love, you cannot because you have no Faith.

You are a sinner, you can only starts to ask for forgiveness.

Good luck in your journey to forgiveness.


Best regards.
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February 04, 2016, 05:50:38 PM

I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
   1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?

How can you hate something you don't believe in?

An atheist can't hate God because God doesn't exist...

Atheists love you, or they wouldn't spend so much time trying to educate you...

I'm sorry you are so blinded by your faith that you cannot see reason... perhaps some day you will join us
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February 04, 2016, 05:29:18 PM

...omissis...

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.


I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
   1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?


Best regards.
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February 04, 2016, 05:25:23 PM

Look. I am not posting with the idea that I am out to defame you in any way. And I suspect that you are not out to do such to me.

The things that I explain in my posts, mostly are the simple explanations. You don't have to believe me, obviously. But if you are interested in some of it, there are libraries full of books and an Internet that has almost as much. In addition, there are my previous posts, many of which have links in them, or instructions about what to search on to see why I say what I do.

This posting is fun. And it is instructional for all who want to take part. But I am not doing it with the idea of writing a book to explain answers to your questions.

Smiley


The problem is not that I"don't believe" you. It's true that I don't accept statements that I can show to be either invalid or unproveable.

The problem is that while you think that what you're posting is a simple explanation, I have been showing you that your underlying assumptions appear invalid and warrant further discussion.

Since I haven't seen you showing me anything via your posting, and since I haven't been posting any underlying assumptions that I have, your statements here are irrelevant for me, at least regarding the things I have posted.

That's the point - you don't even know what your underlying assumptions are, and I'm trying to find out if they are valid or not. If not valid, your entire argument disappears in a puff of logic.

Now, that's quite presumptuous of you, suggesting that I don't know what my underlying assumptions are. Cheesy


No, again that's the point. In all of the discussions we had, there were questions you were unable to answer, and to which you were either unable or unwilling to say "I don't know". This being the case, it's fair to conclude that you either don't know or don't want to admit your underlying assumptions.

It seems that you can barely stay on point. Are you a mind reader that you know my underlying assumptions enough so that you can examine them? If you happen to know my underlying assumptions, are you so foolish that you think that you can judge their validity fairly?

Once again, I don't know what your underlying assumptions are because you either don't know or won't admit them. Also, the ability to read minds is fiction, not reality.

If your point is that I am wrong, perhaps I am.

My point is that neither of us knows if you are wrong because once challenged you just change the subject and insult whoever is the target du jour.


Actually, it is your challenge that changes the subject.

No, i was responding to you. No change in subject.


The on-topic part that I was doing was to show why atheists hate religion. You and your challenges without doing your research, shows how you would rather change the subject so that we move away from the proof that God exists, and away from showing atheists why they hate religion... which is... because religion is right, and not even atheists like being proven wrong.

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Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.


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February 04, 2016, 05:05:11 PM

The idea of cause and effect suggests that there is no free will. But how can one talk to a materialistic scientist who doesn't believe in spirit and soul, but only believes in bio-mechanical operations of mind?


Because Science comes from Wisdom which comes from fearing the Lord.


Best regards.

As usual, we have to fear the Lord. That's not right - ruling through fear. That's the rule of the jungle. The most powerful rules. There was no need for laws and free will. Fear always works best.

Fearing God is wisdom. After all, He has the ability to do anything to you He wants. Be glad He is patient and merciful with you.

Smiley

I am glad He is patient and merciful with me. But I think He has to choose: fear or love. What does he want? There seems to be some kind of contradiction here.

He definitely wants your love. The part of the fear that God wants from you is fear in the direction of respect. The rest of the fear you will supply naturally when you meet Him.

Smiley

Yeah - fear and love don't go together in my book. I want God to love me enough to make me immortal. And in turn I'll love God forever.

Since I don't know you very much, I don't know that you are not a saved person right now.

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February 04, 2016, 05:02:21 PM

Free will?  That is something I can prove false...

If you believe these 3 common Christian beliefs:
1) God created the universe exactly as it is
2) God could have created the universe differently if he wanted to (billions of possibilities)
3) God is Omniscient (knows the future)

Then free will cannot exist

God created this specific universe, knowing exactly what would happen, including your personal choices (free will)...  he could have created a universe where I was a Christian instead of an Atheist, but God created this universe, knowing that I would be an Atheist... It's God's fault I'm an Atheist, not mine!


You have free will in deciding to have faith in him or not.



Best regards.

No. You only have free will to decide not to believe in Him. However, if your free will is weak enough, the Holy spirit can work faith in your heart.

Smiley

So the Holy Spirit works better on the weak minded/spirited? That's really funny.
That would mean that the ones that are atheists have strong mindsets.
Thank you for the compliment. It's very welcome.

Unfortunately for them, if their spiritual strength is strong enough to resist God, they are resisting their own salvation, and plunging themselves into Hell.

Oh well. They asked for it. Even god gave them this ability. Jesus said, "Shake the dust off your feet."

Smiley

You wrote god instead of God. You sinner! How could you forget? What if God will forget to offer you air tomorrow?! you should be stoned to death or something.  Grin

Jesus forgives me. And even if I get stoned - to death - God has a place in Heaven for me, with Him.

Smiley

If that happens I will not throw not even one stone. But neither will I stop the others that will throw them. But you'll be fine. God will take you. We'll drink a beer in your memory. All's cool.

My memory of you when I am in Heaven will be non-existent... if you don't make it.

Smiley
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February 04, 2016, 05:00:23 PM
There is too much pain and suffering in this world that so many innocents endure to believe there is a God that loves us like a parent would.
Why does He allow it? Or, seeing as how He knows the future, He did so from the beginning. Is it some kind of sadistic thing?

Mankind rejected God in the Garden, and brought this pain and death on us. Jesus salvation is the way out. We will never understand the reasons why it works like it does. at least not outside of Heaven. The point is getting there. Once this world is destroyed, it will never be brought to remembrance again.

Smiley

NO! Adam and Eve rejected God. We should NOT be punished because they were stupid! God is wrong for doing so!

Seems to me you are rejecting God. Been in anybody elses heart and mind lately to find out if they are rejecting God? Or if they only seem like they are rejecting God.

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February 04, 2016, 04:57:51 PM
Would it have any point whatsoever to mention the obvious fact that I was ironic? Or the fact that I even have to say that speaks a lot for itself?

Here's the first factual statement you have said.   Smiley
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February 04, 2016, 04:56:18 PM
Validity of the new testament is attested by tradition and eye reports? I mean you're joking right?

Much (maybe most) of the New Testament is eye-witness reports. The validity comes about because of the fact that it exists as it does, being backed by people who hang onto tradition (Christians of Israelite ancestry) more than they hold onto life itself. Their tradition is that the New Testament is truth.

Smiley

The validity comes about because of the fact that it exists as it does??
What does that even mean?
Something is because something is? The fact that the Harry Potter exists (it is written) doesn't mean the accounts in it are true.
And tradition and word of mouth are not proof.

The "as it does" part includes the history of it. As I have mentioned in a previous post, we now have fragments of the New Testament that go back to before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

Smiley

You mean to say that if 2000 years from now someone will discover a copy of The Lord Of the Rings, they'll have proof that Elves existed?
We now have fragments of something someone sometime wrote. So what?

"The Lord Of the Rings" was distinctly expressed as fantasy with no eye witness reports.

The New Testament is expressed as fact, with many eye witness reports.

Smiley

So now eyewitness reports are fact? Do you also believe UFO's exist?

It is fact in the eyes of the eye witnesses. If you don't want to accept it as fact, that's your call. UFOs or the Bible.

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