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Quote from: valta4065 on February 05, 2016, 04:08:53 AM

You know, maybe you're an atheist, but you're truly devoted to your fight against religion, no doubt about that. Cause spending so much energy on a debate with someone obviously disagreeing fundamentally with you is close to faith you know?

What I care about is wooly thinking and people who try to deceive others by presenting logical fallacies as a real argument. Whether that's by someone who is religious or atheist or a sheep shagger, I care not.

If spending energy on a discussion is a religion, then logic is my religion and my God is maths, and people who make illogical or purposely misleading arguments are sinners who offend my religious sensibilities.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 11:55:23 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 11:40:48 PM

Au contraire mon frere. You wanted to get back on to the thread's topic. I asked for proof that that as a class atheists hate all religions, since that what the thread title asks. If we're not getting anywhere its only because you *dont* want to get the thread back on topic.

There you go again, with your standard old deception.

Deception? You were the one to want to get back on topic:

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 03:47:12 AM

Actually, it is your challenge that changes the subject.

The on-topic part that I was doing was to show why atheists hate religion. You and your challenges without doing your research, shows how you would rather change the subject so that we move away from the proof that God exists, and away from showing atheists why they hate religion... which is... because religion is right, and not even atheists like being proven wrong.

The topic is: Why do Atheists hate Religion?
I asked: What proof is there that this is true?

What is deceptive? Pots and kettles, buddy.

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 08:17:37 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 08:09:37 PM

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

I'm a savage: that's my clash... of Kings!

I can suggest you to read a book of my defunct auntie: "The search for Mad people".
It has never been translated into English, maybe I should do a translation for you: maybe after I find Faith and can argue with you.
"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33

Best regards.

But... Aren't you devoted to the Lord and His Son?

I thought that you were a true Christian from the post I read from you.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 11:40:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 09:46:01 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 07:13:44 PM

Look. I am not posting with the idea that I am out to defame you in any way. And I suspect that you are not out to do such to me.

The things that I explain in my posts, mostly are the simple explanations. You don't have to believe me, obviously. But if you are interested in some of it, there are libraries full of books and an Internet that has almost as much. In addition, there are my previous posts, many of which have links in them, or instructions about what to search on to see why I say what I do.

This posting is fun. And it is instructional for all who want to take part. But I am not doing it with the idea of writing a book to explain answers to your questions.

The problem is not that I"don't believe" you. It's true that I don't accept statements that I can show to be either invalid or unproveable.

The problem is that while you think that what you're posting is a simple explanation, I have been showing you that your underlying assumptions appear invalid and warrant further discussion.

Since I haven't seen you showing me anything via your posting, and since I haven't been posting any underlying assumptions that I have, your statements here are irrelevant for me, at least regarding the things I have posted.

That's the point - you don't even know what your underlying assumptions are, and I'm trying to find out if they are valid or not. If not valid, your entire argument disappears in a puff of logic.

Now, that's quite presumptuous of you, suggesting that I don't know what my underlying assumptions are. Cheesy

No, again that's the point. In all of the discussions we had, there were questions you were unable to answer, and to which you were either unable or unwilling to say "I don't know". This being the case, it's fair to conclude that you either don't know or don't want to admit your underlying assumptions.

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 12:38:50 PM

It seems that you can barely stay on point. Are you a mind reader that you know my underlying assumptions enough so that you can examine them? If you happen to know my underlying assumptions, are you so foolish that you think that you can judge their validity fairly?

Once again, I don't know what your underlying assumptions are because you either don't know or won't admit them. Also, the ability to read minds is fiction, not reality.

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If your point is that I am wrong, perhaps I am.

My point is that neither of us knows if you are wrong because once challenged you just change the subject and insult whoever is the target du jour.

Actually, it is your challenge that changes the subject.

No, i was responding to you. No change in subject.

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 12:38:50 PM

The on-topic part that I was doing was to show why atheists hate religion. You and your challenges without doing your research, shows how you would rather change the subject so that we move away from the proof that God exists, and away from showing atheists why they hate religion... which is... because religion is right, and not even atheists like being proven wrong.

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.

Huh?!

Looks like we aren't getting anywhere.

Au contraire mon frere. You wanted to get back on to the thread's topic. I asked for proof that that as a class atheists hate all religions, since that what the thread title asks. If we're not getting anywhere its only because you *dont* want to get the thread back on topic.

You know, maybe you're an atheist, but you're truly devoted to your fight against religion, no doubt about that. Cause spending so much energy on a debate with someone obviously disagreeing fundamentally with you is close to faith you know?

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 07:23:49 PM

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 06:59:34 PM

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 05:27:16 PM

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 04:25:23 PM

...omissis...

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.

I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.

Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?

Best regards.

Sorry bud, your argument doesn't hold. It commits the logical fallacy of "the excluded middle".

Apart from the fact that (2) is clearly false (ever had children?) I experience more than just two emotions. If I don't love someone, it doesn't mean I hate them. Mostly I just ignore them.

I can see that: master in avoidance!

Quoting myself:

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 03:29:21 PM

I never said the word logic once!

Logic is about philosophy not Faith.

If you don't hold to logic then don't present arguments which rely on logic.

I don't... I should... what?!? Express like a man you may even be treated like one!

Sorry. In simpler terms: Arguments require logic. Don't make arguments if you don't think logic is real.

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 05:27:16 PM

Loving someone is not about logic is about Faith.

The definition of hate however is not "anyone I don't love". Most people have more complex emotions than just "love" and "hate".

Why you propose me complexity

Do you find the idea of having more than two emotions a very complex idea?

Man, you talk to someone without any logical reasoning skill. Of course feeling two emotions is really complex for him!

That's the main problem with bigots: they can't think anyother way but bipolar.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 11:40:48 PM

Au contraire mon frere. You wanted to get back on to the thread's topic. I asked for proof that that as a class atheists hate all religions, since that what the thread title asks. If we're not getting anywhere its only because you *dont* want to get the thread back on topic.

There you go again, with your standard old deception.

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Quote from: Moloch on February 04, 2016, 11:00:55 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason

This totally sounds like something BitNow would write. Has written.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 09:46:01 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 07:13:44 PM

Look. I am not posting with the idea that I am out to defame you in any way. And I suspect that you are not out to do such to me.

The things that I explain in my posts, mostly are the simple explanations. You don't have to believe me, obviously. But if you are interested in some of it, there are libraries full of books and an Internet that has almost as much. In addition, there are my previous posts, many of which have links in them, or instructions about what to search on to see why I say what I do.

This posting is fun. And it is instructional for all who want to take part. But I am not doing it with the idea of writing a book to explain answers to your questions.

The problem is not that I"don't believe" you. It's true that I don't accept statements that I can show to be either invalid or unproveable.

The problem is that while you think that what you're posting is a simple explanation, I have been showing you that your underlying assumptions appear invalid and warrant further discussion.

Since I haven't seen you showing me anything via your posting, and since I haven't been posting any underlying assumptions that I have, your statements here are irrelevant for me, at least regarding the things I have posted.

That's the point - you don't even know what your underlying assumptions are, and I'm trying to find out if they are valid or not. If not valid, your entire argument disappears in a puff of logic.

Now, that's quite presumptuous of you, suggesting that I don't know what my underlying assumptions are. Cheesy

No, again that's the point. In all of the discussions we had, there were questions you were unable to answer, and to which you were either unable or unwilling to say "I don't know". This being the case, it's fair to conclude that you either don't know or don't want to admit your underlying assumptions.

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 12:38:50 PM

It seems that you can barely stay on point. Are you a mind reader that you know my underlying assumptions enough so that you can examine them? If you happen to know my underlying assumptions, are you so foolish that you think that you can judge their validity fairly?

Once again, I don't know what your underlying assumptions are because you either don't know or won't admit them. Also, the ability to read minds is fiction, not reality.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 09:37:00 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 03:47:12 AM

If your point is that I am wrong, perhaps I am.

My point is that neither of us knows if you are wrong because once challenged you just change the subject and insult whoever is the target du jour.

Actually, it is your challenge that changes the subject.

No, i was responding to you. No change in subject.

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 12:38:50 PM

The on-topic part that I was doing was to show why atheists hate religion. You and your challenges without doing your research, shows how you would rather change the subject so that we move away from the proof that God exists, and away from showing atheists why they hate religion... which is... because religion is right, and not even atheists like being proven wrong.

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.

Huh?!

Looks like we aren't getting anywhere.

Au contraire mon frere. You wanted to get back on to the thread's topic. I asked for proof that that as a class atheists hate all religions, since that what the thread title asks. If we're not getting anywhere its only because you *dont* want to get the thread back on topic.

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Since you guys like quotes so much, here are a few from our founding fathers...

Quote from: Thomas Jefferson

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man

There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one-half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin

Lighthouses are more useful than churches

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason

Quote from: John Adams

This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it

Quote from: Thomas Paine

Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst

Quote from: John Lennon

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Oh, and there is also this:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
-First Amendment to the United States Constitution

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Quote from: Moloch on February 04, 2016, 04:50:38 PM

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 04:29:18 PM

I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.

Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?

How can you hate something you don't believe in?

An atheist can't hate God because God doesn't exist...

Atheists love you, or they wouldn't spend so much time trying to educate you...

I'm sorry you are so blinded by your faith that you cannot see reason... perhaps some day you will join us

When an atheist says he doesn't believe in God, he is lying, even though he may not know it.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 04:25:23 PM

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 09:37:00 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2016, 07:13:44 PM

Look. I am not posting with the idea that I am out to defame you in any way. And I suspect that you are not out to do such to me.

The things that I explain in my posts, mostly are the simple explanations. You don't have to believe me, obviously. But if you are interested in some of it, there are libraries full of books and an Internet that has almost as much. In addition, there are my previous posts, many of which have links in them, or instructions about what to search on to see why I say what I do.

This posting is fun. And it is instructional for all who want to take part. But I am not doing it with the idea of writing a book to explain answers to your questions.

The problem is not that I"don't believe" you. It's true that I don't accept statements that I can show to be either invalid or unproveable.

The problem is that while you think that what you're posting is a simple explanation, I have been showing you that your underlying assumptions appear invalid and warrant further discussion.

Since I haven't seen you showing me anything via your posting, and since I haven't been posting any underlying assumptions that I have, your statements here are irrelevant for me, at least regarding the things I have posted.

That's the point - you don't even know what your underlying assumptions are, and I'm trying to find out if they are valid or not. If not valid, your entire argument disappears in a puff of logic.

Now, that's quite presumptuous of you, suggesting that I don't know what my underlying assumptions are. Cheesy

No, again that's the point. In all of the discussions we had, there were questions you were unable to answer, and to which you were either unable or unwilling to say "I don't know". This being the case, it's fair to conclude that you either don't know or don't want to admit your underlying assumptions.

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 12:38:50 PM

It seems that you can barely stay on point. Are you a mind reader that you know my underlying assumptions enough so that you can examine them? If you happen to know my underlying assumptions, are you so foolish that you think that you can judge their validity fairly?

Once again, I don't know what your underlying assumptions are because you either don't know or won't admit them. Also, the ability to read minds is fiction, not reality.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 09:37:00 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 03:47:12 AM

If your point is that I am wrong, perhaps I am.

My point is that neither of us knows if you are wrong because once challenged you just change the subject and insult whoever is the target du jour.

Actually, it is your challenge that changes the subject.

No, i was responding to you. No change in subject.

Quote from: BADecker on February 04, 2016, 12:38:50 PM

The on-topic part that I was doing was to show why atheists hate religion. You and your challenges without doing your research, shows how you would rather change the subject so that we move away from the proof that God exists, and away from showing atheists why they hate religion... which is... because religion is right, and not even atheists like being proven wrong.

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.

Huh?!

Looks like we aren't getting anywhere.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 08:09:37 PM

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

I'm a savage: that's my clash... of Kings!

I can suggest you to read a book of my defunct auntie: "The search for Mad people".
It has never been translated into English, maybe I should do a translation for you: maybe after I find Faith and can argue with you.
"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 08:01:09 PM

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:51:45 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 07:49:14 PM

Very simple but also very untrue. The basis of science is the scientific method, which is a way of observing the world, making hypotheses about the world and testing them. In science, nothing is taken on faith. If we have observations contrary to even a well established and long tested theory, then nothing is unquestionable.

Of course: if you destroy my Faith then nothing is unquestionable.

I just pointed out that your concept of science was incorrect, that's all. You probably meant "theology" rather than "science".

How can I meant something profound if I'm not wise?

Well, you have me there. It's quite a puzzler, all right.

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 08:01:09 PM

Wisdom comes from Fearing the Lord.

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:51:45 PM

Thank You for destroying my Faith, sinner!

Best regards.

As much as I'd like to take the credit for that, I haven't destroyed anyone's anything. Faith doesn't need science. Only someone whose faith was weak would need science to prop it up.

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 08:01:09 PM

You are talking about yourself of course: you have no Faith!

Best regards.

Do you really just do a "no, you are!" post? How old are you?

To answer your question though, no, I was talking about you. You wrote:

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:39:55 PM

Philosophy is lead by Reason (man), Science by Faith (God).

You need science to prop up your faith in God. Christians I know have a very strong faith in God, without any need for science.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 07:57:07 PM

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:51:45 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 07:49:14 PM

Very simple but also very untrue. The basis of science is the scientific method, which is a way of observing the world, making hypotheses about the world and testing them. In science, nothing is taken on faith. If we have observations contrary to even a well established and long tested theory, then nothing is unquestionable.

Of course: if you destroy my Faith then nothing is unquestionable.

I just pointed out that your concept of science was incorrect, that's all. You probably meant "theology" rather than "science".

How can I meant something profound if I'm not wise?

Wisdom comes from Fearing the Lord.

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:51:45 PM

Thank You for destroying my Faith, sinner!

Best regards.

As much as I'd like to take the credit for that, I haven't destroyed anyone's anything. Faith doesn't need science. Only someone whose faith was weak would need science to prop it up.

You are talking about yourself of course: you have no Faith!

Best regards.

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My Responsability is Faith.
Taking responsibilities means being a man.

Does anybody hate that?

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:51:45 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 07:49:14 PM

Very simple but also very untrue. The basis of science is the scientific method, which is a way of observing the world, making hypotheses about the world and testing them. In science, nothing is taken on faith. If we have observations contrary to even a well established and long tested theory, then nothing is unquestionable.

Of course: if you destroy my Faith then nothing is unquestionable.

I just pointed out that your concept of science was incorrect, that's all. You probably meant "theology" rather than "science".

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:51:45 PM

Thank You for destroying my Faith, sinner!

Best regards.

As much as I'd like to take the credit for that, I haven't destroyed anyone's anything. Faith doesn't need science. Only someone whose faith was weak would need science to prop it up.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 07:49:14 PM

Very simple but also very untrue. The basis of science is the scientific method, which is a way of observing the world, making hypotheses about the world and testing them. In science, nothing is taken on faith. If we have observations contrary to even a well established and long tested theory, then nothing is unquestionable.

Of course: if you destroy my Faith then nothing is unquestionable.

Thank You for destroying my Faith, sinner!

Best regards.

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:39:55 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 07:37:59 PM

Quoting myself (in 01/2016)

Quote from: organofcorti on January 15, 2016, 05:01:03 AM

I don't even pretend to understand that last comment, but all I'm doing is attempting to have a debate with you. All you're doing is avoiding making sense. I have to wonder why? Are you a secret atheist trying to make religious people look disingenuous?

Mathematics is Science is not Logic: I'm not argumenting, I'm saying.

Philosophy is lead by Reason (man), Science by Faith (God).

That is very simple: simple as the idiocy of this argument.

Best regards.

Very simple but also very untrue. The basis of science is the scientific method, which is a way of observing the world, making hypotheses about the world and testing them. In science, nothing is taken on faith. If we have observations contrary to even a well established and long tested theory, then nothing is unquestionable.

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 07:37:59 PM

Quoting myself (in 01/2016)

Quote from: organofcorti on January 15, 2016, 05:01:03 AM

I don't even pretend to understand that last comment, but all I'm doing is attempting to have a debate with you. All you're doing is avoiding making sense. I have to wonder why? Are you a secret atheist trying to make religious people look disingenuous?

Mathematics is Science is not Logic: I'm not argumenting, I'm saying.

Philosophy is lead by Reason (man), Science by Faith (God).

That is very simple: simple as the idiocy of this argument.

THIS ARGUMENT IS IDIOT BECAUSE YOU NEED WISDOM TO GET OUT OF IDIOCY: WISDOM COMES FROM FEARING THE LORD.

"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 07:31:30 PM

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Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 06:59:34 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 06:53:09 PM

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 05:24:31 PM

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 04:29:18 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 04:25:23 PM

...omissis...

Those statements are all completely unsupported. There is no proof -- certainly none posted by you, that atheists hate religions -- just more of the same unsubstantiated and unsupportable arguments that you consistently make.

If I'm wrong, please prove that as a class atheists hate all religions. No one has yet proved that. Religious people hate other religious people, that is clear.

I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.

Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?

Best regards.

Sorry bud, your argument doesn't hold. It commits the logical fallacy of "the excluded middle".

Apart from the fact that (2) is clearly false (ever had children?) I experience more than just two emotions. If I don't love someone, it doesn't mean I hate them. Mostly I just ignore them.

I can see that: master in avoidance!

Quoting myself:

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 03:29:21 PM

I never said the word logic once!

Logic is about philosophy not Faith.

If you don't hold to logic then don't present arguments which rely on logic.

I don't... I should... what?!? Express like a man you may even be treated like one!

Sorry. In simpler terms: Arguments require logic. Don't make arguments if you don't think logic is real.

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 06:59:34 PM

Quote from: organofcorti on February 04, 2016, 06:53:09 PM

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 05:27:16 PM

Loving someone is not about logic is about Faith.

The definition of hate however is not "anyone I don't love". Most people have more complex emotions than just "love" and "hate".

Why you propose me complexity

Do you find the idea of having more than two emotions a very complex idea?

Quote from: BitNow on February 04, 2016, 06:59:34 PM

while you are not even able to be (or to act like) a man?!?

Acting like a man is very important for you, isn't it? You never make clear the things you think are the way a man should act, and if you are a man and you're acting the way you think an adult should, we have very different ideas about this topic. For example, I think adults should be able to experience more emotional range than just love and hate.

Quoting myself (in 08/2015):

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This issue is solved.

This thread can now be closed

Those sinners are ridiculous.

Look at this one here: a man! ...

Atheism is a sin, treat it as such.

If you don't take your own responsibilities you cannot be call a man!

Best regards.

Quoting myself (in 01/2016)

Quote from: organofcorti on January 15, 2016, 05:01:03 AM

I don't even pretend to understand that last comment, but all I'm doing is attempting to have a debate with you. All you're doing is avoiding making sense. I have to wonder why? Are you a secret atheist trying to make religious people look disingenuous?

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