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legendary
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September 16, 2015, 02:03:01 PM

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

By the way, You have not answered any of the questions about how I could possibly have a savior:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12423520

Medical research is proving that some of the most difficult things to do are manipulations of the human body and mind. Sure, we can make adjustments that the body and mind manipulate following the adjustments. But we even have difficulty when trying to grow back lost limbs, or live to 200 years.

Some of the fantastic things we have done are, we have made computers, airplanes, cars and lots of other things.

You don't need a savior if you aren't interested in being saved. But if you want to be saved, you need a savior. Why? Because you can't do it yourself. You will die. And there is nothing you can do about it. If there was, you would be a nice guy and show it to modern medicine so that they could help other people stay alive, wouldn't you?

Personally, I don't believe you can do it. If you want to be saved, you need a savior.

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full member
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September 16, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
Faith without an object of faith is nothing. But it might be everything without any differentiation between its parts.

Definition of God here - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t.

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

By the way, You have not answered any of the questions about how I could possibly have a savior:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12423520
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 01:33:19 PM

An Italian gal! Imagine that.   Smiley

Exactly: this thread is not about me, is about atheism.

I think you are OT (Off Topic) BADecher.


Thank You.

Would I be off topic if I said, Thank you for reminding me?    Cheesy
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 01:27:27 PM

An Italian gal! Imagine that.   Smiley

Exactly: this thread is not about me, is about atheism.

I think you are OT (Off Topic) BADecher.


No. A black hole (if they exist) is a concentration. Entropy provides the exact opposite of concentrated material/energy.

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EDIT: No Black Holes Exist, Says Stephen Hawking—At Least Not Like We Think

You posted an article of Stephen Hawking which is atheist.

How could you believe what he says?

"I'm obliged to believe in myself but I will find other ways as soon as I'll have a choice".


Thank You.
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 01:25:46 PM

Faith without an object of faith is nothing. But it might be everything without any differentiation between its parts.

Definition of God here - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t.

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In italian the word God is Dio which is formed like that: D-IO.
D: letter D
Io: first person singular personal pronoun ("I" in English)

That's why I asked you that: when I say DIO in italian I think about myself on steroids (D + I), when I say GOD in English I don't know what people thinks.


Find my own answer? Been there. Done that.   Smiley

And your answer is God is a Supreme Being and you believe it?


Thank You.

An Italian gal! Imagine that.   Smiley
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 01:22:24 PM

Faith without an object of faith is nothing. But it might be everything without any differentiation between its parts.

Definition of God here - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t.

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In italian the word God is Dio which is formed like that: D-IO (D+IO).
D: letter D
Io: personal pronoun meaning me, myself and I ("I" in English)

That's why I asked you that: when I say DIO in italian I think about myself on steroids (D + I), when I say GOD in English I don't know what people thinks.


Find my own answer? Been there. Done that.   Smiley

And your answer is God is a Supreme Being and you believe it?


Thank You.
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 01:20:48 PM
No. A black hole (if they exist) is a concentration. Entropy provides the exact opposite of concentrated material/energy.

Smiley

EDIT: No Black Holes Exist, Says Stephen Hawking—At Least Not Like We Think

I know: reading.

I took a Master of Science in Engineering, I've read before trust me.

Try find your own answer.


Find my own answer? Been there. Done that.   Smiley
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 01:17:37 PM
"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".
I disagree; you have not responded to my proof; see below.

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

Faith without an object of faith is nothing. But it might be everything without any differentiation between its parts.

Definition of God here - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t.

Smiley
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 01:15:10 PM
No. A black hole (if they exist) is a concentration. Entropy provides the exact opposite of concentrated material/energy.

Smiley

EDIT: No Black Holes Exist, Says Stephen Hawking—At Least Not Like We Think

I know: reading.

I took a Master of Science in Engineering, I've read before trust me.

Try find your own answer.



"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".
I disagree; you have not responded to my proof; see below.

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

So: you think you have solved a problem people is trying to solve since 5700 years ago?
full member
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September 16, 2015, 01:13:29 PM
"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".
I disagree; you have not responded to my proof; see below.

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 01:11:50 PM

Quantum mechanics is terrific when you are on the right track, because it can show you aspects of the right track you would have never thought of. But when you are on the wrong track, QM will lead you as far astray as you will let it.


Yes: that is why Albert Einstein died with the doubt.


If the universe had existed forever, it would have coalesced entirely long ago. The fact that there is the great complexity that exists, shows that there is something that is of even greater complexity that set this whole thing going. The kind of complexity that exists shows that the Maker fits our definition of God.


No: that fits the definition of a black hole.

If black holes connect universes, as a lot of scientists think, you can find another universe near here not a God (If we agreed that God actually exists).

"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?


Thank You.

No. A black hole (if they exist) is a concentration. Entropy provides the exact opposite of concentrated material/energy.

Smiley

EDIT: No Black Holes Exist, Says Stephen Hawking—At Least Not Like We Think
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 12:59:51 PM

Quantum mechanics is terrific when you are on the right track, because it can show you aspects of the right track you would have never thought of. But when you are on the wrong track, QM will lead you as far astray as you will let it.


Yes: that is why Albert Einstein died with the doubt.


If the universe had existed forever, it would have coalesced entirely long ago. The fact that there is the great complexity that exists, shows that there is something that is of even greater complexity that set this whole thing going. The kind of complexity that exists shows that the Maker fits our definition of God.


No: that fits the definition of a black hole.

If black holes connect universes, as a lot of scientists think, you can find another universe near here not a God (If we agreed that God actually exists).

"God is only a Faith problem, there is no other way of proving his existence".

To prove what I just said think how you will approach the definition of the word God: what's your definition of God?

You said that God is not his name, so... what's your definition of God?


Thank You.
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 12:58:05 PM
SCIENCE WILL FIND THE LAWS OF CREATION ..THEN ARE WE GODS

When science will find the laws of creation you will be destroyed.


Thank You.




I have shown the three scientific laws that prove God exists when you combine them. Sometime I will write a detailed post about how it works. But, I will repeat the laws here.

1. Probably the most important is cause and effect, which is also called action and reaction. Newton made it his 3rd Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This means that there is no pure random. Real random doesn't exist. Everything in the universe is programmed. There is no free will or freedom of choice, even though we feel that there is.

You need to study Quantum mechanics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

There is where Albert Einstein got lost: "God plays dices with the Universe".

What you say: "This means that there is no pure random." was believed before 1924 and de De Broglie hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

It's a duality.

"God plays dices with the Universe"

2. The law of universal complexity is not really a law. It is an observation. There is much complexity in existence. The human brain and human mind are among the most complex things in the universe. And they are so highly complex that we are having problems finding out how they work, even though we are making progress slowly.

Thank You.

3. The law of universal entropy. Entropy in its simple form says that everything is running down, wearing out, slowing, eroding, getting old and dying, losing complexity. We see nothing in the universe that could have caused the complexity that exists. We theorize. We guess. But we see nothing that started the complexity. And entropy says that the complexity is becoming less complex all the time.

Entropy is a measure of disorder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

When you combine these 3 things along with the definition of the word "God," of what God would have to be if He existed, they prove that God exists. If He didn't, at least one of the three laws would have to be nonexistent. But because all 3 exist, God has to exist.

Think about it. Some time I will do a detailed comparison of the laws to explain it better. But God DOES exist, and these 3 laws of nature that science has discovered prove it.

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Nice idea but there is no scientific proof that G-d exist, however with the dualism Wave-Matter of the particle we are closer to it.


Thank You.

Quantum mechanics is simply complex probability. That's why QM can only be used to back up some other form of science. It can't be used as the base for science itself.

In QM, you can find any answer. You can prove that the universe is 13 billion light years in diameter. You can also use QM to prove that the universe is 1 inch in diameter. It simply matters what you are trying to prove.

Because of this, QM can be used to prove pure random at the same time it can be used to prove that there is no pure random. It can be used to prove cause and effect, at the same time that it can be used to disprove cause and effect.

Quantum mechanics is terrific when you are on the right track, because it can show you aspects of the right track you would have never thought of. But when you are on the wrong track, QM will lead you as far astray as you will let it.

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Entropy has to do with thermodynamic equilibrium. The universe is constantly coalescing into a basic energy/mass throughout. No stars. No planets. No heat or cold. Everything equal throughout.

If the universe had existed forever, it would have coalesced entirely long ago. The fact that there is the great complexity that exists, shows that there is something that is of even greater complexity that set this whole thing going. The kind of complexity that exists shows that the Maker fits our definition of God.

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legendary
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September 16, 2015, 12:57:15 PM

No, this is about conspiracy theories people have the fancy for. This doesn't in the least mean that they don't exist, though (both conspiracies and aliens)

That's OT.

This forum is about "Why do atheists hate Religion?": you can answer the question directly or discuss about atheism and religion.

Conspiracies and aliens are neither atheism neither religion.

What's your point in that discussion?


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legendary
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September 16, 2015, 12:01:23 PM
I think those in power have proof that the aliens exist, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

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So: that is what this is about MakingMoneyHoney and maybe all the atheists in the world... they think G-d is an alien?

No, this is about conspiracy theories people have the fancy for. This doesn't in the least mean that they don't exist, though (both conspiracies and aliens)
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 11:47:17 AM
I think those in power have proof that the aliens exist, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

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So: that is what this is about MakingMoneyHoney and maybe all the atheists in the world... they think G-d is an alien?


Thank You.
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 11:42:52 AM
I think those in power have proof that the aliens exist, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

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legendary
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September 16, 2015, 11:28:38 AM
But, Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

Thank you for the information.

Now... what's wrong with you and short answers?

"Just trying to get a connection with our "brothers" from the other side of the Ocean".


Thank You.
hero member
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September 16, 2015, 11:00:29 AM
I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

I think those in power are atheists, they just don't promote it cause the majority of "common" people are brainwashed.

If you think they'd get less votes if they came out and said they're not religious, I suppose there may be some truth to that. But many people are waking up to the fact that they're not the religion they say they are anyway.

I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

What's wrong with Americans and Authority?

Do you mean the US of A? I'm from the US, so I certainly don't mean the people in general.

But the people actually pulling the strings all over the entire world, know. What's wrong with authority in general? Nothing. But, Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
legendary
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September 16, 2015, 10:43:35 AM
I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

What's wrong with Americans and Authority?
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