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legendary
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September 18, 2015, 03:23:06 AM

Before discussing about Satana you should listen to the Pope before which is the vicary of Jesus Christ on Earth.


Thank You.

The Pope isn't the vicar of Jesus Christ on earth any more than any other learned or knowledgeable Christian is.

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It's fine if you say that you have some doubts.


Thank You.
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September 18, 2015, 03:21:10 AM

Before discussing about Satana you should listen to the Pope before which is the vicary of Jesus Christ on Earth.


Thank You.

The Pope isn't the vicar of Jesus Christ on earth any more than any other learned or knowledgeable Christian is.

Smiley
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September 18, 2015, 03:18:30 AM
I don't know what atheists really think. But by their statements, they are essentially saying that they are God. Maybe they are a G-d, as well, whatever that is.

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On the first place dont be so judgemental please, there is no such thing in the world that all atheist would agree on ,every guys has a different opinion..
I am an A too but I don't think I am God ..

Of course, I expect that an atheist will not think he is God right out in the open. He probably hasn't though it out well enough. Here is what I mean.

Two major points about the existence of God.
1. Nobody knows that God doesn't exist.
2. There is a lot of evidence, and even scientific proof that God DOES exist.

If the atheist said, "I don't know for a fact that God doesn't exist, but I simply don't believe that He exists," then the atheist might not be setting himself up in a position of authority.

But if the atheist says, "I know for a fact that God doesn't exist (or some other, similar wording)," Then he is setting himself as the authority on the subject. The place of authority regarding God is one that is at least as great as God is, especially in the light of the fact that NOBODY knows that God DOESN'T exist.

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September 18, 2015, 03:09:26 AM
I don't know what atheists really think. But by their statements, they are essentially saying that they are God. Maybe they are a G-d, as well, whatever that is.

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On the first place dont be so judgemental please, there is no such thing in the world that all atheist would agree on ,every guys has a different opinion..
I am an A too but I don't think I am God ..
legendary
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September 18, 2015, 03:07:09 AM

G-d is an English word indicating deity.

This word is derived first from Latin which, in its turn, derived from Greek as well. This word "God" was first invented in the greek version of the Bible "The Septuagint" from where the Latin and the English version are derived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

In the hebrew version of the Bible (Tanakh) the term G-d is translated with: Elohim, Adonai, El and YHWH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh

Every God's name has it own different meaning. As I think we have lost a lot by incorporating all his names in one word (God) I think it is better to use the word G-d when needed instead using the uncensored version God.

I understand, now, that for you this is not the God's name but you'll never know who will be reading your thoughts so it is better to use the censored version (G-d) to respect the reader.

Hope this is clear enough.

Thank You

Oops! Sorry. In all the writing about all the different kinds of stuff, I missed your explanation of what G-d means. Well, Since G-d means God, why not just say God like the rest of us? I mean, it is enough trouble trying to figure out what people are saying without adding something that we are not used to.

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EDIT: I went to both of those Wikipedia sites, and I couldn't find the word G-d anywhere. Did I spell it wrong? I used the small hyphen. Was I supposed to use the large one?
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September 18, 2015, 03:02:34 AM

Either way, you are making yourself out to be God by your decision to be an atheist. Maybe you don't know it, but you are. So, as an atheist, you are formally saying that there is no God, but by saying this, you are setting yourself up as God.

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So... we have a new problem: atheists that think they are G-d?


Thank You.

I don't know what atheists really think. But by their statements, they are essentially saying that they are God. Maybe they are a G-d, as well, whatever that is.

Smiley
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September 18, 2015, 02:54:07 AM

On Earth there is the vicar of Jesur Christ which is the Pope: you need to listen to Jesus Christ to find G-d. You cannot find God yourself.


Thank You.

So, what is a G-d? You used both God and G-d, above. They can't mean the same thing, or you would have used one or the other, not both. And we all know what God means. So, what does G-d mean?

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September 18, 2015, 02:30:25 AM

Is the translation that bad? That's not what I said.

What I said is more like...
If you think that there is no God, in the face of nobody knowing for sure that there is no God, then you are setting yourself up as God above God if God exists. But if there is no God, you are setting yourself up as God, because we have a lot of evidence that suggests that God exists, and no proof that He doesn't.

Thank you for the information.

Either way, you are making yourself out to be God by your decision to be an atheist. Maybe you don't know it, but you are. So, as an atheist, you are formally saying that there is no God, but by saying this, you are setting yourself up as God.

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So... we have a new problem: atheists that think they are G-d?

EDIT: You use the term "G-d" on a regular basis. What's a G-d?

You got distracted:

We are not supposed to use God's name in vain. The word "God" is not His name. He told the Hebrew people, the Israelites, that He had one name for them to call Him by. It is listed in the Torah. Then they invented all kinds of other names for Him. God and G-d are not His names.

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G-d is an English word indicating deity.

This word is derived first from Latin which, in its turn, derived from Greek as well. This word "God" was first invented in the greek version of the Bible "The Septuagint" from where the Latin and the English version are derived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

In the hebrew version of the Bible (Tanakh) the term G-d is translated with: Elohim, Adonai, El and YHWH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh

Every God's name has it own different meaning. As I think we have lost a lot by incorporating all his names in one word (God) I think it is better to use the word G-d when needed instead using the uncensored version God.

I understand, now, that for you this is not the God's name but you'll never know who will be reading your thoughts so it is better to use the censored version (G-d) to respect the reader.

Hope this is clear enough.

Thank You


No, BADecker simply shows aspects of faith laws that most other people don't think of.

Be careful, popcorn1. Beliathon mocked God. Then he went to Hell and found out it wasn't so much fun. He came back and told us about it a little. Check his posts https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beliathon-182576. He isn't happy.

The point? God is not mocked. His patience lasts only for a while. Beliathon is locked into his anti-God position, now. It's too late for him. Don't push God so far that He does the same to you.

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You are wrong.




Atheists don't believe in a God. You're thinking of agnostics.

Agnosticism means you don't know if there is a god or not, and want proof.

"A theist, or believer in God, will tell you that he ABSOLUTELY exists. An atheist (non-believer) will say he ABSOLUTELY doesn't. " (link)

That is correct.



Answering you is not the point. Coming up with an answer for you on these issues, I feel, is pointless because you won't change your mind. And you won't change mine on this issue. So we can just agree to disagree.

We can agree on this, though:

You have no evidence that my beliefs are demonic and have not taken responsibility upon yourself to rationally evaluate ANY of the writings, so your "belief" is made in total ignorance.

So, we can agree that you are not using reason, and that you know nothing about my beliefs.

I hope that by my use of reason, I can convince others that these three beliefs are actually big lies that have yet to be proven:
1) "Jesus" is the savior of humanity and you only need to accept him to "enter heaven".
2) Darwin's theory, since it is based on three fallacious “gaps” in reasoning that were pointed out in 1873 and remain unchanged to this day, as explained here: http://www.lloydpye.com/essay_interventiontheory.htm
3) Integrity of the Bible.

Before discussing about Satana you should listen to the Pope before which is the vicary of Jesus Christ on Earth.


But like my belief that there is a God who created us, I can not prove it to others.

I prove my belief in God by pointing to the evidence that refutes humanism (link); when others refuse to rationally evaluate it, I conclude that I have proven it to them. Thus far, nobody has engaged me in serious discussion of the evidence and/or the reasoning that strongly suggests (and in my opinion demonstrates) the proof of God, so I end up proving God every time!
Reason is the tool that humans use to prove a thing to another. On the other hand, Cognitive Dissonance is a tool used by the ignorant to maintain faith in their illusion of knowledge. Likewise, Scapegoating is a tool used by the wicked who want to hide the evidence of their own imperfection instead of acknowledging the need to grow (e.g. learn). You attack these authors, but your claims are made in ignorance (which books did you read??), and you will not use reason to explain your understanding. To me, it seems that you are just as ignorant as those who fail to read the evidence supporting life-after-death.

You won't see it. I know that.
Try me; I am reasonable. Perhaps when you have some spare "time"...

Even the ones who CLAIM to hear regularly from God and speak FOR and in the NAME-OF this Christ and pronounce HIS edicts on your heads cannot abide the POSSIBILITY that God may well have sent MESSENGERS JUST AS PROMISED. Why do they object? Because they are going to find that "our presentation" is TRUTH and that means THEIRS IS NOT and IF YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THEM--THEY LOSE ALL POWER OVER YOUR BEINGS AND THIS IS NO SMALL LOSS TO "MAN"' ON YOUR PLANET GEARED TO "POWER" OF PHYSICAL EGO EXPRESSION. WE WANT NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY YOUR BEINGS. I simply ask you to take note at how many people pronounce edicts regarding our work and word and how many of YOU labor long and hard in trying to change perceptions--when the persons involved have not, nor have any intentions of so much as reading the work and word in point. I am continually amused at how many tell me to "go back to Christ!" How so--I TRAVEL WITH YOUR "CHRIST"!! AND, FURTHERMORE, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO READ MY WRITINGS--IT CAN NOT BE REFUTED. So, WHO is the fool? Well, perhaps "me" for wasting your time with it for, after all, I have all the "time" in the Universe--and you are VERY LIMITED IN THAT COMMODITY. I would ask you, however, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU DOING THAT TAKES SO MUCH "TIME"?

What's wrong with Americans and Authority?

Look at the Pope than you may speak: listen, learn, think and then speak if you can.


So being as it was not understood.   God had to have done it.
How would you explain the evidence supporting rebirth?
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html
NO YOU JUST PUT GOD TO EVERYTHING

Not true; I have a concise logical proof based on definitions; please tell me which step of the proof you disagree with.

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

You don't need to proof to that. You need to listen.

On Earth there is the vicar of Jesur Christ which is the Pope: you need to listen to Jesus Christ to find G-d. You cannot find God yourself.


Thank You.




And from this sentence can be clearly understood that atheists don't hate religion. They only don't believe in gods or supernatural beings. Period.

That is the point since page 71.

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Yes and I did agree with you with the definition of atheism being the one in the Oxford dictionary:
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Definition of atheism in English:
noun
[mass noun]
Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Ref: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/atheism

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Please keep to the subject of atheism that we already come to an agreement that is the Oxford dictionary definition:
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Definition of atheism in English:
noun

[MASS NOUN]
Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.  
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/atheism

I understand your Faith.

Thank You.


I don't know why it is so difficult to understand a definition.


Thank You.
legendary
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September 18, 2015, 12:57:17 AM

VOD DOES believe in God! He/she simply doesn't state that he/she believes in God.

How do we know that Vod believes in God? Because Vod doesn't have enough evidence to state truthfully that God doesn't exist. Since Vod makes statements that God DOESN'T exist, he/she is holding himself/herself up as God by claiming the authority to make such statements in the face of not having enough evidence to truthfully make such statements.

Therefore, according to Vod, Vod is God. Thus, God exists.

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Now I understand why you think God exist.

What you addressed is a Man not a G-d.


Thank You.

Is the translation that bad? That's not what I said.

What I said is more like...
If you think that there is no God, in the face of nobody knowing for sure that there is no God, then you are setting yourself up as God above God if God exists. But if there is no God, you are setting yourself up as God, because we have a lot of evidence that suggests that God exists, and no proof that He doesn't.

Either way, you are making yourself out to be God by your decision to be an atheist. Maybe you don't know it, but you are. So, as an atheist, you are formally saying that there is no God, but by saying this, you are setting yourself up as God.

Smiley

EDIT: You use the term "G-d" on a regular basis. What's a G-d?
no proof that monsters don.t live under your bed Grin Grin
Every time you close your eyes to sleep a monster might pop up and start dancing all around you..
plus if you try and video the monster whiles your asleep it turns invisible ..TRY AND PROVE I AM WRONG Grin Grin
DOES THIS SOUND CRAZY..WELL SO IS YOUR THINKING ABOUT GOD..

I agree with you about the monsters living under the bed. We don't have proof that they don't live there in some way. But nobody is stating for a fact that they don't live there. Atheists state for a fact that God doesn't exist.

When you set yourself up making statements about things that you don't know for certain, you are a fool. In addition, you are setting yourself up as God by downplaying something that may be true though you don't know it.

Even the people who state that they know that monsters absolutely do not live under their bed, are setting themselves up as God. Why? Because all you have to do is view some of the microbes that live on the dust under your bed in a microscope to see the monsters there.

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NO WE DON.T WE ASK FOR PROOF..NO ONE CAN BE CERTAIN ABOUT ANYTHING..
ARE WE EVEN HERE?..Atheist disbelieve there is a GOD..And do not worship GODS I.E A supreme beings
If god showed himself well then i would have to believe  Grin Grin Grin more chance seeing an alien than god Grin Grin

Atheists don't believe in a God. You're thinking of agnostics.

Agnosticism means you don't know if there is a god or not, and want proof.

"A theist, or believer in God, will tell you that he ABSOLUTELY exists. An atheist (non-believer) will say he ABSOLUTELY doesn't. " (link)
well i am not an atheist then ACCORDING TO YOU..AND NEITHER IS RICHARD DAWKINS..Because i say and he says science will tell you how can we be totally sure there is no god..
We cannot be sure about anything Grin ;Dwe are 99.9% sure there is no god so not worth worshiping

and here is the proper meaning of an atheist

atheist
ˈeɪθɪɪst/Submit
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
"he is a committed atheist"
synonyms:   non-believer, non-theist, disbeliever, unbeliever, heretic, sceptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, agnostic, infidel, irreligious person, heathen, pagan, freethinker, libertine,

I'm not the one who came up with the definition.

From an atheist website: http://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism?

"The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings. "

Which means they don't believe in gods. Agnosticism is what you were describing, where you don't know if there is or isn't a god.

And from this sentence can be clearly understood that atheists don't hate religion. They only don't believe in gods or supernatural beings. Period.
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September 18, 2015, 12:13:28 AM
Your proof of life after death means nothing if we're all in a matrix style machine or simulation.
Then what would that say about God? That God is a deceiver? I am not buying it!

The first thing on the page is the triangle (pyramid), circle in a pyramid (like an eye in a pyramid), and a phoenix, which are all symbols of groups that are anti-Christian.
This is just you judging a book by its cover. What about the evil that these books have exposed? Like the fact that "saviors" are phony and are purely magical thinking!

Everything in the journals seems to come from this Hatonn alien. "God Aton created a fragment of Himself called, “Hatonn” a 9-foot tall being who oversees intergalactic affairs throughout this Universe."
Unless you quote from the Phoenix Project writings, I have grave doubts about the speaker in question. Hatonn travels with Sananda, whose name means "One WITH God", and Sananda attests that Hatonn is commander and that we are all students on the Christ path. Hatonn's name is pronounced "Aton" throughout the universe. These beings are space brothers, they are the Hosts talked about in the Bible.
I am still waiting for you to state that some portion of the writings is not valid truth and is not of God, for that is truly the only way to evaluate the source of the message.

I believe we have a firmament over our world and there's no such thing as aliens.
Upon what evidence?
Therefore everything he says has to be put through a filter of understanding that it's demonically inspired.
"I believe, so therefore" is not an argument; show me the evidence; your Bible has been tampered with and no Bible on Earth is perfect (God does not terrorize children!); I did not see you post any scientific evidence for such a firmament.

Also things you talk about change what the bible says and you can't do that and keep anything from the bible, because it's either true or it's not.

You are confused because all things written to paper carry the probability of error, since it is Man's doing. Even the Journals, which were scribed by a woman, admit to having some amount of small errors like dates, etc. Paul commented on Emmanuel's teachings without even knowing him; his words are not truth.

Like I mentioned to you earlier, Mark 16:16 was added to the Bible long after the Gospel was written, so that certainly changed what the Bible was saying! Absent that passage, I do not see any place where Emmanuel said that I would go to hell unless I accepted him as my savior.

None of the symbols and stuff I would have known a couple of months ago. The Holy Spirit is giving me discernment to tell what's true and what's false.
I think you are referring to God, who resides within you.
If you hear a voice that gives you "discernment" without you so much as having to read anything, and allows you to judge entire books by the cover alone, then undoubtedly you are living in an illusion, for no one can claim to understand any part until he has read the whole again and again.
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September 17, 2015, 11:55:09 PM
i have told you 2 times its the brains way of making you comfortable before you die now you prove me wrong

I have 52 points of evidence that prove you wrong. Once you read through all of them, you will understand that NDEs cannot be explained by brain chemistry alone.
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September 17, 2015, 11:43:37 PM
I'm the one arguing it's completely false.... talk to 1aguar....SORRY FOR NOT READING ALL YOUR POST
I GOT YOU NOW ..YOU PRAY LIKE MOST CHRISTIANS ..HE IS A VOODOO CHRISTIAN Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
BADECKER IS A VOODOO CHRISTIAN..MAKES HIS OWN LAWS HOW TO BELEIVE IN GOD Grin

No, BADecker simply shows aspects of faith laws that most other people don't think of.

Be careful, popcorn1. Beliathon mocked God. Then he went to Hell and found out it wasn't so much fun. He came back and told us about it a little. Check his posts https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beliathon-182576. He isn't happy.

The point? God is not mocked. His patience lasts only for a while. Beliathon is locked into his anti-God position, now. It's too late for him. Don't push God so far that He does the same to you.

Smiley
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September 17, 2015, 10:47:33 PM
I'm the one arguing it's completely false.... talk to 1aguar....SORRY FOR NOT READING ALL YOUR POST
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BADECKER IS A VOODOO CHRISTIAN..MAKES HIS OWN LAWS HOW TO BELEIVE IN GOD Grin
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September 17, 2015, 10:21:12 PM
But like my belief that there is a God who created us, I can not prove it to others.

I prove my belief in God by pointing to the evidence that refutes humanism (link); when others refuse to rationally evaluate it, I conclude that I have proven it to them. Thus far, nobody has engaged me in serious discussion of the evidence and/or the reasoning that strongly suggests (and in my opinion demonstrates) the proof of God, so I end up proving God every time!
Reason is the tool that humans use to prove a thing to another. On the other hand, Cognitive Dissonance is a tool used by the ignorant to maintain faith in their illusion of knowledge. Likewise, Scapegoating is a tool used by the wicked who want to hide the evidence of their own imperfection instead of acknowledging the need to grow (e.g. learn). You attack these authors, but your claims are made in ignorance (which books did you read??), and you will not use reason to explain your understanding. To me, it seems that you are just as ignorant as those who fail to read the evidence supporting life-after-death.

Your proof of life after death means nothing if we're all in a matrix style machine or simulation. All of it could be programmed in. Maybe you're the star of a show like the Truman show and people say they have had NDEs, and doctors talk about them, but everyone is lying to you. That doesn't mean there's a god. Of course I believe there is, but you can't prove it to others.

You won't see it. I know that.
Try me; I am reasonable. Perhaps when you have some spare "time"...

Even the ones who CLAIM to hear regularly from God and speak FOR and in the NAME-OF this Christ and pronounce HIS edicts on your heads cannot abide the POSSIBILITY that God may well have sent MESSENGERS JUST AS PROMISED. Why do they object? Because they are going to find that "our presentation" is TRUTH and that means THEIRS IS NOT and IF YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THEM--THEY LOSE ALL POWER OVER YOUR BEINGS AND THIS IS NO SMALL LOSS TO "MAN"' ON YOUR PLANET GEARED TO "POWER" OF PHYSICAL EGO EXPRESSION. WE WANT NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY YOUR BEINGS. I simply ask you to take note at how many people pronounce edicts regarding our work and word and how many of YOU labor long and hard in trying to change perceptions--when the persons involved have not, nor have any intentions of so much as reading the work and word in point. I am continually amused at how many tell me to "go back to Christ!" How so--I TRAVEL WITH YOUR "CHRIST"!! AND, FURTHERMORE, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO READ MY WRITINGS--IT CAN NOT BE REFUTED. So, WHO is the fool? Well, perhaps "me" for wasting your time with it for, after all, I have all the "time" in the Universe--and you are VERY LIMITED IN THAT COMMODITY. I would ask you, however, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU DOING THAT TAKES SO MUCH "TIME"?

The first thing on the page is the triangle (pyramid), circle in a pyramid (like an eye in a pyramid), and a phoenix, which are all symbols of groups that are anti-Christian.

Everything in the journals seems to come from this Hatonn alien. "God Aton created a fragment of Himself called, “Hatonn” a 9-foot tall being who oversees intergalactic affairs throughout this Universe." I believe we have a firmament over our world and there's no such thing as aliens. Therefore everything he says has to be put through a filter of understanding that it's demonically inspired. Also things you talk about change what the bible says and you can't do that and keep anything from the bible, because it's either true or it's not. None of the symbols and stuff I would have known a couple of months ago. The Holy Spirit is giving me discernment to tell what's true and what's false.
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I'm the one arguing it's completely false.... talk to 1aguar....
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September 17, 2015, 10:16:27 PM
But like my belief that there is a God who created us, I can not prove it to others.

I prove my belief in God by pointing to the evidence that refutes humanism (link); when others refuse to rationally evaluate it, I conclude that I have proven it to them. Thus far, nobody has engaged me in serious discussion of the evidence and/or the reasoning that strongly suggests (and in my opinion demonstrates) the proof of God, so I end up proving God every time!
Reason is the tool that humans use to prove a thing to another. On the other hand, Cognitive Dissonance is a tool used by the ignorant to maintain faith in their illusion of knowledge. Likewise, Scapegoating is a tool used by the wicked who want to hide the evidence of their own imperfection instead of acknowledging the need to grow (e.g. learn). You attack these authors, but your claims are made in ignorance (which books did you read??), and you will not use reason to explain your understanding. To me, it seems that you are just as ignorant as those who fail to read the evidence supporting life-after-death.

Your proof of life after death means nothing if we're all in a matrix style machine or simulation. All of it could be programmed in. Maybe you're the star of a show like the Truman show and people say they have had NDEs, and doctors talk about them, but everyone is lying to you. That doesn't mean there's a god. Of course I believe there is, but you can't prove it to others.

You won't see it. I know that.
Try me; I am reasonable. Perhaps when you have some spare "time"...

Even the ones who CLAIM to hear regularly from God and speak FOR and in the NAME-OF this Christ and pronounce HIS edicts on your heads cannot abide the POSSIBILITY that God may well have sent MESSENGERS JUST AS PROMISED. Why do they object? Because they are going to find that "our presentation" is TRUTH and that means THEIRS IS NOT and IF YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THEM--THEY LOSE ALL POWER OVER YOUR BEINGS AND THIS IS NO SMALL LOSS TO "MAN"' ON YOUR PLANET GEARED TO "POWER" OF PHYSICAL EGO EXPRESSION. WE WANT NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY YOUR BEINGS. I simply ask you to take note at how many people pronounce edicts regarding our work and word and how many of YOU labor long and hard in trying to change perceptions--when the persons involved have not, nor have any intentions of so much as reading the work and word in point. I am continually amused at how many tell me to "go back to Christ!" How so--I TRAVEL WITH YOUR "CHRIST"!! AND, FURTHERMORE, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO READ MY WRITINGS--IT CAN NOT BE REFUTED. So, WHO is the fool? Well, perhaps "me" for wasting your time with it for, after all, I have all the "time" in the Universe--and you are VERY LIMITED IN THAT COMMODITY. I would ask you, however, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU DOING THAT TAKES SO MUCH "TIME"?

The first thing on the page is the triangle (pyramid), circle in a pyramid (like an eye in a pyramid), and a phoenix, which are all symbols of groups that are anti-Christian.

Everything in the journals seems to come from this Hatonn alien. "God Aton created a fragment of Himself called, “Hatonn” a 9-foot tall being who oversees intergalactic affairs throughout this Universe." I believe we have a firmament over our world and there's no such thing as aliens. Therefore everything he says has to be put through a filter of understanding that it's demonically inspired. Also things you talk about change what the bible says and you can't do that and keep anything from the bible, because it's either true or it's not. None of the symbols and stuff I would have known a couple of months ago. The Holy Spirit is giving me discernment to tell what's true and what's false.
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September 17, 2015, 10:06:38 PM
But like my belief that there is a God who created us, I can not prove it to others.

I prove my belief in God by pointing to the evidence that refutes humanism (link); when others refuse to rationally evaluate it, I conclude that I have proven it to them. Thus far, nobody has engaged me in serious discussion of the evidence and/or the reasoning that strongly suggests (and in my opinion demonstrates) the proof of God, so I end up proving God every time!
Reason is the tool that humans use to prove a thing to another. On the other hand, Cognitive Dissonance is a tool used by the ignorant to maintain faith in their illusion of knowledge. Likewise, Scapegoating is a tool used by the wicked who want to hide the evidence of their own imperfection instead of acknowledging the need to grow (e.g. learn). You attack these authors, but your claims are made in ignorance (which books did you read??), and you will not use reason to explain your understanding. To me, it seems that you are just as ignorant as those who fail to read the evidence supporting life-after-death.

Your proof of life after death means nothing if we're all in a matrix style machine or simulation. All of it could be programmed in. Maybe you're the star of a show like the Truman show and people say they have had NDEs, and doctors talk about them, but everyone is lying to you. That doesn't mean there's a god. Of course I believe there is, but you can't prove it to others.

You won't see it. I know that.
Try me; I am reasonable. Perhaps when you have some spare "time"...

Even the ones who CLAIM to hear regularly from God and speak FOR and in the NAME-OF this Christ and pronounce HIS edicts on your heads cannot abide the POSSIBILITY that God may well have sent MESSENGERS JUST AS PROMISED. Why do they object? Because they are going to find that "our presentation" is TRUTH and that means THEIRS IS NOT and IF YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THEM--THEY LOSE ALL POWER OVER YOUR BEINGS AND THIS IS NO SMALL LOSS TO "MAN"' ON YOUR PLANET GEARED TO "POWER" OF PHYSICAL EGO EXPRESSION. WE WANT NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY YOUR BEINGS. I simply ask you to take note at how many people pronounce edicts regarding our work and word and how many of YOU labor long and hard in trying to change perceptions--when the persons involved have not, nor have any intentions of so much as reading the work and word in point. I am continually amused at how many tell me to "go back to Christ!" How so--I TRAVEL WITH YOUR "CHRIST"!! AND, FURTHERMORE, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO READ MY WRITINGS--IT CAN NOT BE REFUTED. So, WHO is the fool? Well, perhaps "me" for wasting your time with it for, after all, I have all the "time" in the Universe--and you are VERY LIMITED IN THAT COMMODITY. I would ask you, however, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU DOING THAT TAKES SO MUCH "TIME"?

The first thing on the page is the triangle (pyramid), circle in a pyramid (like an eye in a pyramid), and a phoenix, which are all symbols of groups that are anti-Christian.

Everything in the journals seems to come from this Hatonn alien. "God Aton created a fragment of Himself called, “Hatonn” a 9-foot tall being who oversees intergalactic affairs throughout this Universe." I believe we have a firmament over our world and there's no such thing as aliens. Therefore everything he says has to be put through a filter of understanding that it's demonically inspired. Also things you talk about change what the bible says and you can't do that and keep anything from the bible, because it's either true or it's not. None of the symbols and stuff I would have known a couple of months ago. The Holy Spirit is giving me discernment to tell what's true and what's false.
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September 17, 2015, 08:54:18 PM
So being as it was not understood.   God had to have done it.
How would you explain the evidence supporting rebirth?
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html
NO YOU JUST PUT GOD TO EVERYTHING

Not true; I have a concise logical proof based on definitions; please tell me which step of the proof you disagree with.

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300
i have told you 2 times its the brains way of making you comfortable before you die now you prove me wrong
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September 17, 2015, 08:39:59 PM
So being as it was not understood.   God had to have done it.
How would you explain the evidence supporting rebirth?
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html
NO YOU JUST PUT GOD TO EVERYTHING

Not true; I have a concise logical proof based on definitions; please tell me which step of the proof you disagree with.

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300
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September 17, 2015, 08:38:11 PM
But like my belief that there is a God who created us, I can not prove it to others.

I prove my belief in God by pointing to the evidence that refutes humanism (link); when others refuse to rationally evaluate it, I conclude that I have proven it to them. Thus far, nobody has engaged me in serious discussion of the evidence and/or the reasoning that strongly suggests (and in my opinion demonstrates) the proof of God, so I end up proving God every time!
Reason is the tool that humans use to prove a thing to another. On the other hand, Cognitive Dissonance is a tool used by the ignorant to maintain faith in their illusion of knowledge. Likewise, Scapegoating is a tool used by the wicked who want to hide the evidence of their own imperfection instead of acknowledging the need to grow (e.g. learn). You attack these authors, but your claims are made in ignorance (which books did you read??), and you will not use reason to explain your understanding. To me, it seems that you are just as ignorant as those who fail to read the evidence supporting life-after-death.

You won't see it. I know that.
Try me; I am reasonable. Perhaps when you have some spare "time"...

Even the ones who CLAIM to hear regularly from God and speak FOR and in the NAME-OF this Christ and pronounce HIS edicts on your heads cannot abide the POSSIBILITY that God may well have sent MESSENGERS JUST AS PROMISED. Why do they object? Because they are going to find that "our presentation" is TRUTH and that means THEIRS IS NOT and IF YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THEM--THEY LOSE ALL POWER OVER YOUR BEINGS AND THIS IS NO SMALL LOSS TO "MAN"' ON YOUR PLANET GEARED TO "POWER" OF PHYSICAL EGO EXPRESSION. WE WANT NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY YOUR BEINGS. I simply ask you to take note at how many people pronounce edicts regarding our work and word and how many of YOU labor long and hard in trying to change perceptions--when the persons involved have not, nor have any intentions of so much as reading the work and word in point. I am continually amused at how many tell me to "go back to Christ!" How so--I TRAVEL WITH YOUR "CHRIST"!! AND, FURTHERMORE, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO READ MY WRITINGS--IT CAN NOT BE REFUTED. So, WHO is the fool? Well, perhaps "me" for wasting your time with it for, after all, I have all the "time" in the Universe--and you are VERY LIMITED IN THAT COMMODITY. I would ask you, however, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU DOING THAT TAKES SO MUCH "TIME"?
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September 17, 2015, 08:29:23 PM
Answering you is not the point. Coming up with an answer for you on these issues, I feel, is pointless because you won't change your mind. And you won't change mine on this issue. So we can just agree to disagree.

We can agree on this, though:

You have no evidence that my beliefs are demonic and have not taken responsibility upon yourself to rationally evaluate ANY of the writings, so your "belief" is made in total ignorance.

So, we can agree that you are not using reason, and that you know nothing about my beliefs.

I hope that by my use of reason, I can convince others that these three beliefs are actually big lies that have yet to be proven:
1) "Jesus" is the savior of humanity and you only need to accept him to "enter heaven".
2) Darwin's theory, since it is based on three fallacious “gaps” in reasoning that were pointed out in 1873 and remain unchanged to this day, as explained here: http://www.lloydpye.com/essay_interventiontheory.htm
3) Integrity of the Bible.

Nope. I have evidence that it's demonic, good enough for me. Their website has some symbols on it that are anti-christian for one thing, but it's only a small part. But like my belief that there is a God who created us, I can not prove it to others. You won't see it. I know that.
Aliens are not demons they are beings from another world..or could be from this world who knows..


No, aliens are demons pretending to be aliens. Alien abductions stop in the name of Jesus Christ, they wouldn't if it they were aliens, they would if they are demons.
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