Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 351. (Read 901367 times)

I think those in power are atheists, they just don't promote it cause the majority of "common" people are brainwashed.

I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

When science will find the laws of creation you will be destroyed.


Thank You.

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You need to study Quantum mechanics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

There is where Albert Einstein got lost: "God plays dices with the Universe".

What you say: "This means that there is no pure random." was believed before 1924 and de De Broglie hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

It's a duality.

"God plays dices with the Universe"


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Entropy is a measure of disorder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy


Nice idea but there is no scientific proof that G-d exist, however with the dualism Wave-Matter of the particle we are closer to it.


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I have shown the three scientific laws that prove God exists when you combine them. Sometime I will write a detailed post about how it works. But, I will repeat the laws here.

1. Probably the most important is cause and effect, which is also called action and reaction. Newton made it his 3rd Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This means that there is no pure random. Real random doesn't exist. Everything in the universe is programmed. There is no free will or freedom of choice, even though we feel that there is.

2. The law of universal complexity is not really a law. It is an observation. There is much complexity in existence. The human brain and human mind are among the most complex things in the universe. And they are so highly complex that we are having problems finding out how they work, even though we are making progress slowly.

3. The law of universal entropy. Entropy in its simple form says that everything is running down, wearing out, slowing, eroding, getting old and dying, losing complexity. We see nothing in the universe that could have caused the complexity that exists. We theorize. We guess. But we see nothing that started the complexity. And entropy says that the complexity is becoming less complex all the time.

When you combine these 3 things along with the definition of the word "God," of what God would have to be if He existed, they prove that God exists. If He didn't, at least one of the three laws would have to be nonexistent. But because all 3 exist, God has to exist.

Think about it. Some time I will do a detailed comparison of the laws to explain it better. But God DOES exist, and these 3 laws of nature that science has discovered prove it.

NO ,it has never proved ,if you can provide any please update..
Yes i agree ,atheist has made a religion again by having a believe (not believing in anything)..no GOD dosent exist ,please .

Now you are wrong. You do believe in God, even though you have talked yourself out of the idea to a great extent.

Science has proved that God exists. Most scientists simply don't want to talk about it.

World atheists need to sit down and understand that atheism is more of a religion that a theistic religion, because God can be proven to exist.

That is a lot of faith you have, especially if you don't think that science will understand rebirth in our lifetime.

Few in science today are accepting of the survival hypothesis, most are not even aware that it is backed by extensive scientific evidence and the prevailing culture of philosophical materialism causes most scientists to dismiss it offhand. So it seems that we need a new generation of scientists to become curious about the evidence in order to truly study the nature of rebirth. Now, if we are already Supreme beings like you said, then what would stop you from looking within and finding the Laws of Creation there? Isn't this basically what the Buddhist sages advise?

In my opinion, the Laws of Creation have already been published, you don't really need to look elsewhere; they are found in Phoenix Journal #27.

However, when they think this, they are not thinking scientifically.

Science tells us that everything that happens has a cause. Newton even made it into his 3rd Law, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." We see that Newton is right when we look about us. The leaves in the trees wiggle because of the wind acting on them. The wind moves because of the differences in temperature in different sections of air, caused by the sun shining on some of the air, but not on other of it. And there are lots of other forces that cause the wind to blow as it does, like the amount of moisture in the parts of it that are near water.

While we don't see the individual molecules of air, so we can't tell which ones work to make the leaves move this way or that, we understand that the wind is doing it.

Science is the idea of finding out about things. A scientist sees an action. He wants to find out what caused it. When he finds this out, he wants to find out what caused the cause. And this keeps on going. The more the scientist, the more the examiner of cause and effect, action and reaction, and the further he gets away from the idea of pure random ever happening.

If there is anything that does NOT operate by cause and effect, action and reaction, we don't know what it is. We don't see it. We haven't been able to find it. Nature shouts to us in every way that cause and effect is what exists in everything that we know. There is no pure random.

The thing that we call random is only a method that we use to determine things that we are too weak to see the cause of. For example. We toss a coin and get random heads/tails results. They really aren't random. But since we can't measure every last muscle action that goes into the toss, we use the term random.

Anybody who believes that things happen by chance, hasn't really thought about it. If he has thought about it and still believes this way, he is defying science. In general, if he defies standard scientific law, he has a religion - or maybe a cult - in his defiance.

"Re" = Again
"Lig" or "Ligio" = Join or Connect

The word religion suggests the joining of our natural, human world to the sacred world.

So extend on what I posted further.

In classical Latin, the term religio meant awe for the gods and concern for proper ritual. We must recognize, though, that the term religion arose in Western culture and may not be entirely appropriate when applied across cultures; spiritual path, for example, might be a more fitting designation to refer to other religious systems.

Traditional dictionary definitions of religion read something like this: A system of belief that involves worship of God or gods, prayer, ritual, and a moral code. But there are so many exceptions to that definition that it is neither comprehensive nor accurate. So instead of saying that a religion must have certain characteristics, it is now thought more useful to list a series of characteristics that are found in what are commonly accepted as religions. We may accept as a “religion” whatever manifests a reasonable number of the following characteristics.

Belief system: Several beliefs fit together into a fairly complete and systematic interpretation of the universe and the human being’s place in it; this is also called a world view.

Community: The belief system is shared, and its ideals are practiced by a group.

Ethics: Rules about human behavior are established, often having been revealed from a supernatural realm, but they can also be viewed as socially generated guidelines.

Characteristic emotion: Among the emotions typically associated with religions are dread, guilt, awe, mystery, devotion, liberation, ecstasy, inner peace, and bliss.

Ritual: Beliefs are enacted and made real through ceremonies, ritual objects, and specialized locations and buildings.

Sacredness: A distinction is made between the sacred and the ordinary; ceremonies often emphasize the differentiation between the sacred and the ordinary through the deliberate use of different language, clothing, and architecture. Certain objects, actions, people, and places may share in the sacredness or express it.

This really is Comparative Religions 101. Please do understand that I am not saying you are wrong in what you believe as I myself do not have a directed belief. But when it comes to things that are fact, such as meanings of words that have been documented and studied for hundreds of years then we can dig down and get a bit deeper.

SEE THIS IS THE PROBLEM READ WHAT YOU POSTED...

That is not the root of the word. Of course I didnt give you a googled answer and its not what you will find on dictionary.com or some other site with an agenda. It is what it means broken down not what we have come to make it mean.

so if humans have not made the word religious up who made the word religious aliens god who done this..
because according to you we don.t even know what it means

We cannot recreate the meaning because society has nudged it in such a way. If you woke up one day and realized that society has labeled you as a murderer or thief and your face if on every billboard. You know for a fact this is not true, but because everything around you dictates this, does that mean that you personally begin to think this is so?

Cosmogony is the study of the cosmos

"Cosmo" = Cosmo (go figure)
"Gony" = Birth

So cosmogony is the birth of the cosmos.

Within this study it is concluded that, either something came from nothing or something always existed.

There are three "miracles" that offer credence to this. Understand that there is no more and no less. These laws if you will are nothing new and cannot be added to and none can be taken away.

First it states that the cosmos appeared from nothing or ex nihilo, “coming from zero” or in other words “coming from nothing.”
Second to this is ad infinitum or “to infinity” and to that effect the cosmos always existed and exhibits infinite regression of causes in the past. (This would be the big bang theory)
The last principle is best explained by Aristotle and his addition to the list focuses on cause sui or “cause unto itself.” It explains that the cosmos was set into motion by an unmoved mover. (Religion where as a deity would be the unmoved mover)

Take anything you want from that list but do know that none of the items among that list can be proven to be false, whether that be science or religion based.

Nietzsche argued that the fact that a belief is false gives no absolute reason for its abandonment but rather, abandoned based on whether they preserve and enhance life. It’s silly to apply just one truth to all people and people are faulted for loving “their” truths, but not truth; they in essence have created a god and this god is that truth. Know that by me saying this that god is a fill in the blank and that science can be your god, your truth

NO YOU SEE PEOPLE HAVE THERE OWN IDEAS WHAT RELIGION MEANS..
I COULD ALSO SAY RELIGION MEANS WAR AND CONTROL..
But in this day and age when we say religion we mean someone who believes in a supreme being..
so if this is the case BUDDHISM IS NOT A RELIGION

SCIENCE WILL FIND THE LAWS OF CREATION ..THEN ARE WE GODS

That is not the root of the word. Of course I didnt give you a googled answer and its not what you will find on dictionary.com or some other site with an agenda. It is what it means broken down not what we have come to make it mean. But to each his own, I am not here to sway anyone, take what you will.

THE WORD RELIGIOUSLY MEANS ..if you do something religiously, you do it regularly and are very serious about it
If you do something religiously you do it a lot off times..this is the true meaning ..

you see its a mix of both words regular and serious ...
plus you can go back centuries and the meaning will change..Christian writer Lactantius, writing in the early fourth century, opted for religare, a verb meaning “to fasten or bind.

like the word sick the word sick now means good.. 20 years ago you only said your sick if your feeling poorly but now it can mean both..

so your right buddhism can be religious if you chant every day you do it religiously ..
AS BADECKER SAID ON THIS POST EVEN ATHEIST ARE RELIGIOUS BECAUSE ALL HUMANS DO SOMETHING RELIGIOUSLY ..I.E TO DO SOMETHING A LOT...EXAMPLE.. She watches that programme religiously..
SO IF YOUR SAYING I AM RELIGIOUS WELL I AM ..
I RELIGIOUSLY LOVE MY CHILDREN
BUT I DO NOT WORSHIP A SUPREME BEING

I think because they believe that everything happens, happens by chance, thats it. Plus factor is the place where they raised and lived. Depending on what they see in thier sorrounding..

Thats fine, you don't have to really believe in god to have morals and live a fulfilling life.

I don't really have a belief structure myself and can be considered a pluralist, I suppose.

You focus so heavily on the word "God" but don't forget about the word religion, which does go hand and hand with god but can act upon itself and be independent.

"Re" = Again
"Lig" or "Ligio" = Join or Connect

The word religion suggests the joining of our natural, human world to the sacred world.

So with this ideal we can conclude that buddhism is surly connected to religion at least to the true definition of the word and not the politically correct version we are so accustom to in our daily life. (I know most would disagree with this)

I have not been through this entire thread but I do hope no one is forcing ideas on you because this is for you to really find.

Some people you may be interested to look into.

Rudolf Otto - He wrote a book called "The Idea of the Holy" and in it argues that religions emerge when people experience that aspect of reality which is essentially mysterious. He called this the "mystery that causes trembling and fascination" or "mysterium tremendum et fascinans." Basically he explains that we take our existence for granted and live with little wonder, but occasionally something disrupts our ordinary view of reality. An example of this, a strong manifestation of nature, such as a violent thunderstorm, may startle us. It is an aspect of reality that is frightening, forcing us to tremble (tremendum) but also feel fascination (fascinans). The emotional result is what Otto called numinous awe. He pointed out how often religions art depicts that which is terrifying, such as the bloodthirsty Hindu goddess Durg.

Or you can take the opposite to this and look into Karl Marx

Marx calls religion an opiate for the masses. But even he felt that religion has a good and a bad side. Marx ultimately though religion was for social control and called it a symptom of the sickness of society.

This of course is more a Philosophical construct of religion and all religions.

Still, all Buddhists believe in rebirth, and if a rational being called Man is not the guarantor of knowledge (since man is reborn), then a Supreme being called GOD must be that guarantor.

Man is a rational being; if Man is supreme, who causes Man's rebirth? The science backs up that the mind has a connection to a higher power, and by strengthening that connection, one can become a supreme being. This is explained in some of the 52 points that I linked to and also by the phrase from the Bible "the Kingdom of God is within you".

Man is a caretaker of this Earth, and just as much Man decides the fate of a plant, some non-physical being decides the fate of Man's re-birthing.
Perhaps some extra-terrestrials are our "space brothers", they exist in the higher realms where there are no hierarchies, as discussed at length in the Phoenix Journals.

Science cannot change the cycle of rebirth; it is spiritual advancement which has made it possible for beings to travel here. The ones that travel here and are not sufficiently advanced in their connection to Source are monsters.

The Earth did not create your soul.

You are getting close; take a look at these essays from Lloyd Pye:
http://www.lloydpye.com/essay_interventiontheory.htm
http://www.whale.to/b/pye1.html

You can only be a creator if you are in harmony with the Laws of Creation. Otherwise, you will only create your destruction.

STILL DON.T BELIEVE IN GOD..
See i struggle to define the word god..when you check the word god its meaning this is what it says..
The word God defined

Ask most Christians to define the word "God" and most will tell you that it is the name of the Almighty Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. Some would also reply to you that this title also refers to Jesus, the one they refer to as the son of God. Some Christians would say that both the Almighty Father Creator, and the Son of the Father (Jesus) are both God. Ask a Muslim or most any other man or woman of a different religion from Christianity, and they will reply in a similar manner, except that most would exclude Jesus from the title of God. Is this entity, the one that most people refer to as their God, the same God regardless of one's Race, color or religion?

All those whose religion is Islam (Arabs and others) make their prayer and petitions to the entity with the title God, the same title as a Christian would use. So who or what do we refer to when we use the term God?

Gad is a Syrian or Canaanite deity of good luck or fortune. In Hebrew, it is written GD, but with Massoretic vowel-pointing, it is "Gad." Other Scriptural references to a similar deity, also written GD, have a vowel-pointing giving us "Gawd" or "God." Gad, or Gawd is identified with Jupiter, the Sky-deity or the Sun-deity.

In the Greek, the word God is a translation of the word "Theos" meaning Mighty One. This can refer to any person, man or in some cases non-man. The context determines the meaning. Assuming the word always refers to a non-man is error, as the Greek referred to many with authority as "Theos" (Mighty One).

The word "God (or god)" is a title, translating the Hebrew Elohim (or elohim), El (or el), and Eloah, meaning strength, powerful one(s). However, it is often incorrectly used as a substitute for the Tetragrammaton (YHVH). YAHWEH, or the more accurate YAHUWEH pronounced YAH-OO-AY. Yahweh is the proper personal name of the Creator. Where Elohim is the Hebrew word with the English meaning of "Mighty One(s)" the Greek word with the English meaning of Mighty One is "Theos." Neither word can be directly related or assumed to be equal to the name Yahweh, the Almighty Creator, because this would be error. See the "word" God

According to Encyclopedia Britannica, GOD is the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship, applied to all the superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies, and various kinds of idols. The word "god" on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity was adopted as the name of the One Supreme Being, but this is error. The correct personal proper name of the One Supreme Being is Yahweh. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and Webster's Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged agree that the origin of the word God, is Teutonic paganism.

SEE MY TROUBLE IS I DON.T BELIEVE IN A SUPREME BEING TO WORSHIP ..
BUDDHISM IS NOT A RELIGION ..
WE ARE SUPREME BEINGS AND SCIENCE WILL MAKE US MORE SUPREME
A PLANT IS A BEING ITS ALIVE BUT WE RULE OVER PLANTS MAKING US SUPREME BEINGS
IF ALIENS EXIST WHICH THEY DO..IF THEY CAN REACH HERE THEN THERE SUPREME BEINGS OVER US..
BECAUSE SCIENCE AS MADE THEM MORE SUPREME THAN WE ARE ON EARTH..

See many many years ago GODS were our ancestors.. we worship our ancestors .
did they believe that there mum created the universe ANSWER NO..
PLUS WHO CREATED THE SUPREME BEING IF ONLY THE ONE SUPREME BEING..

IF ANYTHING THE EARTH IS GOD IT CREATED US ..
SO RECYCLE YOUR SHIT..
PLUS HERE IS A POINT ..
Say we found a new earth and planted it with trees and life are we gods or scientists ..
not saying its so but have had a thought that aliens created us could this be why where here..
THIS IS WHY SCIENCE IS THE KEY TO LIFE..
BECAUSE ONE DAY WE WILL CREATE A NEW WORLD..FACT..NOT IN MY OR YOUR LIFE TIME BUT ONE DAY WE WILL..
WE ARE ALREADY TRYING TO CREATE A NEW WORLD THE THEORY IS IN PRACTICE