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Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
September 14, 2015, 10:51:57 PM
Man caused this situation by choosing to have sex without the intent of procreation.


But your god creates each baby.  He's killing people every day due to overcrowding yet he pumps out twice as many new babies every day.

Why is your god such an idiot?  Does he get off on killing people?
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September 14, 2015, 10:38:44 PM
The Bible says: knowledge leads to death.

You are incorrect; in Hosea, God says "My people die for lack of knowledge".

There was the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Adam and Eve eat from it and they died.

That was pretty clear to me.

And, what sir, is the “sin of Adam”? Eating apples or what? Where did Adam come from? Mud? I doubt that! GOD CREATES FROM MATTER ATOMS AND MOLECULES--HE DOES NOT NEED CLAY OR MUD--FOR GOD IS AND GOD IS INFINITE AND HE CERTAINLY NEEDS NO WAD OF DIRT FROM WHICH TO CREATE HIS MOST WONDROUS CREATIONS. HE CREATED MAN FROM THE ESSENCE OF LIGHT AND GAVE UNTO MAN SPIRIT WHICH IS A PURE REFLECTION OF HIMSELF--THE BODY OF MAN IS ONLY A HANDY PIECE OF MACHINERY TO ENABLE HIM TO BETTER EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE DIMENSION OF PHYSICAL PLANE.

The speaker refers to eternal life and then pronounces that Man still experiences death so somehow he is still cursed. Man does not experience “death”--a physical housing experiences changes which you call death in your lack of knowledge--for it, too, is only changed into energy form of one sort or another--back into its original forming elements of matter and energy. The MAN WITHIN WHICH IS THE REFLECTION OF GOD IS THAT WHICH IS IMMORTAL--IN EITHER EVENT THERE IS ONLY CHANGE--NOT DEATH! PONDER IT!

Source: http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j029/
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September 14, 2015, 10:28:59 PM
Can't he see the world can't support more people right now?

Man caused this situation by choosing to have sex without the intent of procreation.

God is total allowance and you will do that which you will.

You are blaming God, but God told you not to have sex without pure intent. It is man who re-wrote the laws to read "sex is OK".
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
September 14, 2015, 10:22:11 PM
Killing is not of God.

If we believe your garbage of god controlling everything, then your god kills 150,000 people each day for fun.

We know it's for fun because everyday he creates 350,000 people to replace the ones he kills.

Why is he so stupid?  Can't he see the world can't support more people right now?
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September 14, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
The Bible says: knowledge leads to death.

You are incorrect; in Hosea, God says "My people die for lack of knowledge".

There was the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Adam and Eve eat from it and they died.

That was preety clear to me.

The passage in Hosea is as clear as day; if you believe in the integrity of the Bible, then you accept that God's people die for lack of knowledge.
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 10:10:00 PM
The Bible says: knowledge leads to death.

You are incorrect; in Hosea, God says "My people die for lack of knowledge".

There was the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Adam and Eve eat from it and they died.

That was preety clear to me.
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September 14, 2015, 09:57:33 PM
The Bible says: knowledge leads to death.

You are incorrect; in Hosea, God says "My people die for lack of knowledge".
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 09:44:31 PM
I dealt with the beam in my own eye a long time ago. It looks like it is a splinter in your eye, but that's because you are so far away. I have notice that you can't see past the splinter in your own eye, because up that close to you, the splinter is really a beam so big that you can't see anything... anything except the grains of wood on your splinter beam.

Hi, how about you quit the "holier-than-thou" posturing and tell us:

1) where Emmanuel actually suggested he was my savior?
2) how such a belief is not magical thinking?
3) how you can still have full responsibility for your life if someone else has taken that burden?
4) why didn't Emmanuel explicitly say that one must believe in him and accept him as one’s “personal savior” to get to “heaven” while he was alive over and over again?
5) Why must Man have interpreters and go-betweens, authorities other than self and "saviors" to take his burden and "save even his soul"?
6) Since Matthew 7:17-21 refutes the notion that mere faith suffices for entrance into the kingdom of heaven, and even calling Jesus "Lord" is not enough; how can this possibly be reconciled with the doctrine of Paul which you promote?

I will post this link again for your education:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

Conversely, anybody who thinks he is a Christian, but doesn't believe in Jesus' salvation, is not really a Christian.

The world likes to lump all the people who say they are Christians together, no matter what they believe. But true Christianity doesn't work that way.

Nice link.

Gnostic Christians are true Christians; you may think they are not, but you are not an expert on the subject.

That is false.

Gnosticism has been mainly defined in a Christian context, but 99.99999999% of the "Gnostic Christianity" has been categorised as heresy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

Gnosticism is based on Gnosi (knowledge): every "gnostic branch" professes the research of the truth through knowledge. The Bible says: knowledge leads to death.

You can accept knowledge or you can't. That's the difference between Gnosticism and Religion.


Gnosticism has come back to attention after the discovery of the Nag Hammadi Library in 1945 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library), however Gnosticism, in all of it branches, is identified still as heretic from all Christians Faiths. Consider that Freemasonry is considered modern Gnosticism.

Gnosticism however is different from atheism as Gnosticism still believe in a supreme being (the Demiurge).


Still OT...
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September 14, 2015, 09:35:38 PM
I dealt with the beam in my own eye a long time ago. It looks like it is a splinter in your eye, but that's because you are so far away. I have notice that you can't see past the splinter in your own eye, because up that close to you, the splinter is really a beam so big that you can't see anything... anything except the grains of wood on your splinter beam.

Hi, how about you quit the "holier-than-thou" posturing and tell us:

1) where Emmanuel actually suggested he was my savior?
2) how such a belief is not magical thinking?
3) how you can still have full responsibility for your life if someone else has taken that burden?
4) why didn't Emmanuel explicitly say that one must believe in him and accept him as one’s “personal savior” to get to “heaven” while he was alive over and over again?
5) Why must Man have interpreters and go-betweens, authorities other than self and "saviors" to take his burden and "save even his soul"? Is it because you think Man is separate from God and that God does not reside within you?
6) Since Matthew 7:17-21 refutes the notion that mere faith suffices for entrance into the kingdom of heaven, and even calling Jesus "Lord" is not enough; how can this possibly be reconciled with the doctrine of Paul which you promote?

I will post this link again for your education:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

Conversely, anybody who thinks he is a Christian, but doesn't believe in Jesus' salvation, is not really a Christian.

The world likes to lump all the people who say they are Christians together, no matter what they believe. But true Christianity doesn't work that way.

Gnostic Christians are true Christians; you may think they are not, but you are not an expert on the subject.
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 09:11:00 PM

In order to continue talking about atheism, we are simply setting foundations when we talk about other religions.

Being baptized is great! It is baptized into faith in Jesus salvation. If you formally reject Jesus salvation, your baptism becomes useless except to keep you in good graces in the Church who can't see into your heart. Faith in Jesus salvation is what saves. Baptism exists to strengthen that faith. If the faith isn't there, the baptism doesn't have anything to strengthen. It is useless.

Smiley

I understand.

Thank you for your idea.




Spiritu tuo conteram discipulorum Christi.







Hora aditus.
I hope to fight you soon.

Question: do you consider yourself atheist?
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 07:30:58 PM

True Christianity is one wherein the Christian believes that he is saved for eternal life by the work that Jesus did on the cross, and by His resurrection.

It might be difficult for a Muslim or a Hindu or a Buddhist who believes in Jesus this way. But if they believe in Jesus for salvation, they are true Christians.

Conversely, anybody who thinks he is a Christian, but doesn't believe in Jesus' salvation, is not really a Christian.

The world likes to lump all the people who say they are Christians together, no matter what they believe. But true Christianity doesn't work that way.

Smiley

This is discussing Christianity not atheism.

This is OT.

OT
I was baptised by a priest who is allowed to benedict you from the Pope which is the vicary of Jesus Christ on Earth through Peter. Is like if I was baptised from Jesus Christ in person. It is like Jesus Christ in person "certified" that I am christian.

Who are you to say I'm not?!?

I may not believe in him, but the fact that I was baptised by him reassure me.


Thank You.
/OT

In order to continue talking about atheism, we are simply setting foundations when we talk about other religions.

Being baptized is great! It is baptized into faith in Jesus salvation. If you formally reject Jesus salvation, your baptism becomes useless except to keep you in good graces in the Church who can't see into your heart. Faith in Jesus salvation is what saves. Baptism exists to strengthen that faith. If the faith isn't there, the baptism doesn't have anything to strengthen. It is useless.

Smiley
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 07:01:11 PM

True Christianity is one wherein the Christian believes that he is saved for eternal life by the work that Jesus did on the cross, and by His resurrection.

It might be difficult for a Muslim or a Hindu or a Buddhist who believes in Jesus this way. But if they believe in Jesus for salvation, they are true Christians.

Conversely, anybody who thinks he is a Christian, but doesn't believe in Jesus' salvation, is not really a Christian.

The world likes to lump all the people who say they are Christians together, no matter what they believe. But true Christianity doesn't work that way.

Smiley

This is discussing Christianity not atheism.

This is OT.

OT
I was baptised by a priest who is allowed to benedict you from the Pope which is the vicary of Jesus Christ on Earth through Peter. Is like if I was baptised from Jesus Christ in person. It is like Jesus Christ in person "certified" that I am christian.

Who are you to say I'm not?!?

I may not believe in him, but the fact that I was baptised by him reassure me.


Thank You.
/OT
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 06:26:57 PM

This is not to say there aren't followers of Jesus Christ who call themselves Catholic, as I was one growing up. But the Catholic Church is not a Christian Church.

You must have had a head trauma during your childhood.

Where you kidnapped by aliens?

True Christianity is one wherein the Christian believes that he is saved for eternal life by the work that Jesus did on the cross, and by His resurrection.

It might be difficult for a Muslim or a Hindu or a Buddhist who believes in Jesus this way. But if they believe in Jesus for salvation, they are true Christians.

Conversely, anybody who thinks he is a Christian, but doesn't believe in Jesus' salvation, is not really a Christian.

The world likes to lump all the people who say they are Christians together, no matter what they believe. But true Christianity doesn't work that way.

Smiley
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 06:20:38 PM

This is not to say there aren't followers of Jesus Christ who call themselves Catholic, as I was one growing up. But the Catholic Church is not a Christian Church.

You must have had a head trauma during your childhood.

Where you kidnapped by aliens?

Yo' kid: in Italy you are Catholic. If you are Christian and not Catholic you are 0.10% maximum. Catholicism is Christianity in Italy.

"Thank You".
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September 14, 2015, 05:56:20 PM

If you don't believe Jesus Christ is our Lord then how can you claim Catholicism is a Christianity? I, of course, don't think it is....but I'm wondering why you think Catholics are Christians if they believe they need a priest so as not to go to hell, instead of Jesus?

1) Because Catholicis is the main branch of Christianity with 1.2B at least number of members
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members
2) Because as italian you are raised as Catholic (although the italian constitution sanctions the complete independent between the Italian territory and the the Holy See territory)
3) Because Catholicis is the real Christianity
4) Because I like to follow traditions


Thank You


PS: Wikipedia link is the best link I can find at the moment for number of Christianity members. I will post others sources as soon as I'll find a more independent source to post.

Catholics can call themselves Christian all they want, but if they believe that a priest not confessing them, can lead them to hell, then they don't believe Jesus Christ can save them, and don't believe in the bible where it says to say the Lord's Prayer, which asks for forgiveness from the Lord. If they don't believe in the salvation Jesus Christ brought, how can they be followers of Jesus Christ AKA Christians?

Believing a man (pope/priest) can cause you to go to heaven or hell is not Christian. Jesus said He was the way, the truth and the life.

Anyone who doesn't follow Jesus Christ and live life trying to be Christ-like is not Christian. Jesus warned against Pharisees and false teachers.

This is not to say there aren't followers of Jesus Christ who call themselves Catholic, as I was one growing up. But the Catholic Church is not a Christian Church.
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Never ending parties are what Im into.
September 14, 2015, 05:39:20 PM
I had this thing grow out of my tearduct after hearing a loud pop mid jump from a plane,must have moved something.
So it started to grow out my eye and block my vision,went to a walk in clinic and they stand me in front of a eye chart and ask me to read it,wtf!
Guy tells me I should get my eyes checked,what did he think I was doing!
Had a surgery the eyeduct can actually be expanded pretty wide and they scraped it all out. But I never saw god when it was removed. Cheesy

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 04:36:05 PM

Like I said...

If you are telling me that someone else has taken responsibility for me, then you are promoting a deceptive trick of the adversary. Atheists and fundamentalists both reject responsibility for destroying the sickness within self and facing their own failures.

So... what are we doing: are we killing them all?!?

Killing is not of God. Deal with the beam in your own eye before pointing out the splinter in your neighbor's eye.

I dealt with the beam in my own eye a long time ago. It looks like it is a splinter in your eye, but that's because you are so far away. I have notice that you can't see past the splinter in your own eye, because up that close to you, the splinter is really a beam so big that you can't see anything... anything except the grains of wood on your splinter beam.

 Cheesy
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 02:59:31 PM

Killing is not of God. Deal with the beam in your own eye before pointing out the splinter in your neighbor's eye.

God killed Jesus Christ.
Atheists were killed in the Golden Calf episode during the 40 years of Exodus from Egypt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf
God exterminated Millions because he was not happy about that people.
(Flood myth - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth, Sodom and Gomorra - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah)
God is killing and destroying since Babel tower episode.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel)

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September 14, 2015, 02:54:12 PM

Like I said...

If you are telling me that someone else has taken responsibility for me, then you are promoting a deceptive trick of the adversary. Atheists and fundamentalists both reject responsibility for destroying the sickness within self and facing their own failures.

So... what are we doing: are we killing them all?!?

Killing is not of God. Deal with the beam in your own eye before pointing out the splinter in your neighbor's eye.
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 02:49:03 PM

Like I said...

If you are telling me that someone else has taken responsibility for me, then you are promoting a deceptive trick of the adversary. Atheists and fundamentalists both reject responsibility for destroying the sickness within self and facing their own failures.

So... what are we doing: are we killing them all?!?


Thank You.
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