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Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 10:14:06 PM

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Ok, so to answer the original question, I (as an atheist) don't hate religion. What I hate is religious people who try to enforce rules upon the general population. Rules that they themselves do not follow. For example the commandment that says "don't be gay" is preceded by one that says "don't wear wool and linen at the same time." Also sodomy is defined (strictly speaking) as any sex that is not for procreation (or more loosely defined as non-vaginal sex including oral). So, yeah I know a LOT of christians and none of them follow these rules. So where do they get off trying to make other people follow them?

I have had christian friends that did not want to have premarital sex, so they had oral or anal in stead. And yet gay people should not get married...

Anyway, to all the christians out there:

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE EVERYONE ELSE THE F ALONE?!?

And stop saying stupid crap like gay people are like child molesters. Seriously.

When a Christian sees an atheist, out of love for the life and soul of the atheist, he automatically wants to convert the atheist to God, so that the life and soul of the atheist is saved rather than damned.

Then the atheist gets angry with the Christian for telling him supposed nonsense. So he speaks against the Christian. Yet it is the Christian's idea to love and save the atheist.

After a time of being persecuted by atheists, some Christians become upset and fight back, even though they shouldn't. But can you blame these Christians?

No. When a Christian sees an Atheist, he/she sees freedom, and naturally wants a piece of that freedom pie. There are many different reasons, fear and peer pressure being the dominant ones, that the Christian cannot have that freedom they see.
This gets them angry.
The correct way to deal with this would be to find the strength to break free of their chains, but only a few lucky ones manage.
The wrong way to deal with the anger is to try to remove the freedom from the other person, as once they stop seeing the freedom, their anger will disappear. They try to do this by good old fashion tried and tested fear. Pretending they are doing you a favour by "saving" you, when in reality they are trying to remove your freedom for their own gain.

Steer clear and keep your freedom.

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 11:36:23 PM

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I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Do you have any clue how wrong you are? Most laws are based on religious doctrine.

If a person has not harmed another or damaged his property, whatever laws are brought up against him in the courts, he can rebut those laws using his freedom of religion... of course, only if he holds to that personal religion. People don't do this, but they could and should.

You are arguing someone can do something against the law because of their religion beliefs but not that someone can do something because the laws religious rules are wrong. Do you see the difference?

Not arguing yet. I don't understand what you are saying. Some religious rules and laws are not right. Some of your personal religious rules and laws of your personal religion are not right according to the personal rules and laws of somebody else and their religion.

Arguing as in the term debating. I agree with your last post. Although I don't believe I hold any personal religious rules. And I refuse to live by others personal religious rules. But it is amusing that I have noted in many that they do not even notice that their opinion is based on their doctrine. Maybe mine is as well and I am as blind to the fact?

If you strongly believe that you don't have any religious rules, and you firmly believe you don't have any religion, and you think about it regularly, and you adamantly stand up and say it now and again, you have the religion of not having a religion. Definition #6 at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t says: "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice."

Nice catch 22 you found there. Tongue

But that would be an atheist and is why I am Agnostic.

It is a paradox that only God can know if it exists and anyone thinking otherwise is in fact claiming to be God.

Well, if I misinterpreted your responses to suggest you were an atheist, you could always interpret the "you" in my posts to mean anybody in general who happened to be reading.

Lots of folks belong to the Agnostic religion.

The paradox you mentioned fits all kinds of things. For instance, you and I don't really know that each other exist. But if we are reasonably sure that we do, then we CAN be reasonably sure that God exists if he tells us that He does.

Of course, if you know something, it is fact. There isn't much room for believing in something that you know is fact. I mean, do you factually know your wife/girlfriend exists while she is in your arms? Or do you only believe it? After all, some people who get their guy/gal after a long-term chase often say something like, "I can't believe I finally got you." It must be fact for them.

(Remember, "you" is general, not personal, unless it fits, of course.)

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Quote from: jaysabi on May 25, 2015, 02:11:04 PM

Quote from: ObscureBean on May 25, 2015, 01:05:33 PM

The thing that most people don't seem to realize is that a religion is really just a belief system, nothing more. Every human rely on some belief system, whether there be a God involved or not. So you could say everyone is religious, the only thing that separates people is numbers. The guy who has his own personal belief system is not considered religious while millions that adhere to the same system are.

There difference between a belief and a religion is that a religion has ritualistic behavior that is oriented around the belief. As in, believe in XYZ, pray in this specific way, etc, otherwise you won't be granted eternal rewards.

Well this definition of religion encompasses the 'human way' as a whole. The reason you don't freak out every time you wake up is because you have a belief system that anchors you to this reality, without it you wouldn't be able to hold your mind together. Your 'ritualistic behavior' is to always recognize and respect the objects in your environment for what they are, for example, you 'ritually' understand that a chair is meant to be sat on. At a deep enough level, the demarcation line between science and religion blurs and the two become interchangeable. The 'eternal rewards' you refer to is merely the 'bait' that entices people to that particular system and is not a defining element of religion itself.

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