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Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 420. (Read 901341 times)

legendary
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May 28, 2015, 01:16:20 PM
The universe didn't exist for anyone before they were born. Therefore the universe doesn't exist except for the lifetime of people. The suggestion that the universe exists more than your lifetime is all a made up story that you might have heard about before you were born, but that you have apparently forgotten about since.

 Cheesy

Well I glad we cleanly sorted that one out.

WTF am I reading? It doesn't even make any sense. Just some random words bashed together.


Shockingly, I understood this, but it's still inaccurate.  Of course he doesn't realize it, but this is close to an Occam's Razor-type inference based upon all available, pragmatic evidence acquired throughout our life.  It's a perfectly valid conclusion that we can't possibly know whether the Universe does or does not exist in the absence of our experience of it, or some aspect of it.

His mistake is making a definitive conclusion.  He is claiming he knows the Universe doesn't exist in the absence of our experience of it, rather than claiming we can't know, which would be empirically correct.  There is no theoretical way to empirically validate or invalidate the existence of the Universe in the absence of our experience of it.

Way over my head.
One question. If the universe didn't exist before I was born, how did my parents exist to create me?
legendary
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May 28, 2015, 12:46:19 PM
The universe didn't exist for anyone before they were born. Therefore the universe doesn't exist except for the lifetime of people. The suggestion that the universe exists more than your lifetime is all a made up story that you might have heard about before you were born, but that you have apparently forgotten about since.

 Cheesy

Well I glad we cleanly sorted that one out.

WTF am I reading? It doesn't even make any sense. Just some random words bashed together.


Shockingly, I understood this, but it's still inaccurate.  Of course he doesn't realize it, but this is close to an Occam's Razor-type inference based upon all available, pragmatic evidence acquired throughout our life.  It's a perfectly valid conclusion that we can't possibly know whether the Universe does or does not exist in the absence of our experience of it, or some aspect of it.

His mistake is making a definitive conclusion.  He is claiming he knows the Universe doesn't exist in the absence of our experience of it, rather than claiming we can't know, which would be empirically correct.  There is no theoretical way to empirically validate or invalidate the existence of the Universe in the absence of our experience of it.
legendary
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May 28, 2015, 12:17:41 PM
The universe didn't exist for anyone before they were born. Therefore the universe doesn't exist except for the lifetime of people. The suggestion that the universe exists more than your lifetime is all a made up story that you might have heard about before you were born, but that you have apparently forgotten about since.

 Cheesy

Well I glad we cleanly sorted that one out.

WTF am I reading? It doesn't even make any sense. Just some random words bashed together.
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May 28, 2015, 11:59:42 AM
but i would like to ask to an atheist what happens after death?
Lots of things, but none of them will involve you. The universe keeps spinning totally indifferent to your existence, as if you never existed at all.

The universe won't care, and you won't care either. Only your loved ones will be affected.

what happens to YOU. not the universe because thats obvious

Nothing happens to you. The same way nothing was happening to you for billions of years before you were born. Everything after you die, from your perspective, will be exactly the same as it was before you were born.

Well, first off, nobody knows that there were billions of years...

The universe didn't exist for anyone before they were born. Therefore the universe doesn't exist except for the lifetime of people. The suggestion that the universe exists more than your lifetime is all a made up story that you might have heard about before you were born, but that you have apparently forgotten about since.

 Cheesy

This is all demonstrably false. You might have taken note that people die all the time, billions and billions of them throughout history, and yet the universe has continued on unchanged.

I wouldn't tell that(bolded part).

Did you want to explain why, or did you just want to be asked to dance?
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May 28, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
because they have their own religion..
i think they love to be free..they want every thing in their own way..and from my point of view it is best thing because all religions teach only one thing that is humanity...

Wow! This sounds just like many atheists. What a religion atheism is!

Smiley

Atheism, in all it's forms, is all I can think of for what teaches humanity. No modern religion, with it's roots in the middle east, shows that all people are equal in life and death no matter what they might believe. This is especially true for all Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
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May 28, 2015, 11:53:42 AM
but i would like to ask to an atheist what happens after death?
Lots of things, but none of them will involve you. The universe keeps spinning totally indifferent to your existence, as if you never existed at all.

The universe won't care, and you won't care either. Only your loved ones will be affected.

what happens to YOU. not the universe because thats obvious

Nothing happens to you. The same way nothing was happening to you for billions of years before you were born. Everything after you die, from your perspective, will be exactly the same as it was before you were born.

Well, first off, nobody knows that there were billions of years...

The universe didn't exist for anyone before they were born. Therefore the universe doesn't exist except for the lifetime of people. The suggestion that the universe exists more than your lifetime is all a made up story that you might have heard about before you were born, but that you have apparently forgotten about since.

 Cheesy

This is all demonstrably false. You might have taken note that people die all the time, billions and billions of them throughout history, and yet the universe has continued on unchanged.

I wouldn't tell that(bolded part).
legendary
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May 28, 2015, 11:50:30 AM
but i would like to ask to an atheist what happens after death?
Lots of things, but none of them will involve you. The universe keeps spinning totally indifferent to your existence, as if you never existed at all.

The universe won't care, and you won't care either. Only your loved ones will be affected.

what happens to YOU. not the universe because thats obvious

Nothing happens to you. The same way nothing was happening to you for billions of years before you were born. Everything after you die, from your perspective, will be exactly the same as it was before you were born.

Well, first off, nobody knows that there were billions of years...

The universe didn't exist for anyone before they were born. Therefore the universe doesn't exist except for the lifetime of people. The suggestion that the universe exists more than your lifetime is all a made up story that you might have heard about before you were born, but that you have apparently forgotten about since.

 Cheesy

I'd also like to draw your attention to the fact that you are now invalidating your own religious beliefs by claiming that any existence of the universe outside of your lifetime "is all a made up story."

You are so confused about what you believe, you can't even keep your fairytales straight. Your repeated attempts to explain them invalidate and contradict the pages and pages of utter nonsense you have typed in this thread, and every other thread you inflict your presence on.
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May 28, 2015, 11:42:55 AM
but i would like to ask to an atheist what happens after death?
Lots of things, but none of them will involve you. The universe keeps spinning totally indifferent to your existence, as if you never existed at all.

The universe won't care, and you won't care either. Only your loved ones will be affected.

what happens to YOU. not the universe because thats obvious

Nothing happens to you. The same way nothing was happening to you for billions of years before you were born. Everything after you die, from your perspective, will be exactly the same as it was before you were born.

Well, first off, nobody knows that there were billions of years...

The universe didn't exist for anyone before they were born. Therefore the universe doesn't exist except for the lifetime of people. The suggestion that the universe exists more than your lifetime is all a made up story that you might have heard about before you were born, but that you have apparently forgotten about since.

 Cheesy

This is all demonstrably false. You might have taken note that people die all the time, billions and billions of them throughout history, and yet the universe has continued on unchanged.
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May 28, 2015, 11:41:39 AM
People who don't believe in Jesus salvation are going to Hell.

See here's a prime example of someone telling you as fact what's going to happen when you die.
As we've already concluded, nobody knows what will happen when die, so this person is obviously lying.


Do you really know that I don't know? If so, how do you know that I don't know?

 Cheesy

Because if you knew anything about this with certainty, you wouldn't have to rely on such manipulations of logic to try to convince people of your truth.
legendary
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May 28, 2015, 11:39:02 AM
but i would like to ask to an atheist what happens after death?
Lots of things, but none of them will involve you. The universe keeps spinning totally indifferent to your existence, as if you never existed at all.

The universe won't care, and you won't care either. Only your loved ones will be affected.

what happens to YOU. not the universe because thats obvious

Nothing happens to you. The same way nothing was happening to you for billions of years before you were born. Everything after you die, from your perspective, will be exactly the same as it was before you were born.

Well, first off, nobody knows that there were billions of years...

The universe didn't exist for anyone before they were born. Therefore the universe doesn't exist except for the lifetime of people. The suggestion that the universe exists more than your lifetime is all a made up story that you might have heard about before you were born, but that you have apparently forgotten about since.

 Cheesy
legendary
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May 28, 2015, 11:35:57 AM
So this guy is claiming he remembers things from before he had a working brain, and you guys are STILL feeding the troll?



Of course, neither you or anybody else can prove that there isn't consciousness without the brain. So where is your evidence that there isn't thinking without the brain?

I think you'll find the burden of proof falls on you with this one.

That's half of what I have done with my above response in this post. The other half isn't really provable either way, except by the common law of the United States of America.

Smiley
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May 28, 2015, 11:34:36 AM
but i would like to ask to an atheist what happens after death?
Lots of things, but none of them will involve you. The universe keeps spinning totally indifferent to your existence, as if you never existed at all.

The universe won't care, and you won't care either. Only your loved ones will be affected.

what happens to YOU. not the universe because thats obvious

Nothing happens to you. The same way nothing was happening to you for billions of years before you were born. Everything after you die, from your perspective, will be exactly the same as it was before you were born.
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May 28, 2015, 11:32:38 AM
Or what's happens if the devil has been tricking all the religious folk all along.
Atheists will have the last laugh then.

but its quite scary to think we were wrong and will burn in hell.

It not remotely scary. This burning in hell thing is a ploy used by the church to increase their followers. Wise people ignore it.
Just enjoy life and stop worrying about your inevitable death. You can't stop it, it's as natural as eating, breathing etc, so why worry?


yeah i do agree it has yet to be proven. but all religion speaks of hell as burning fire. all religion even tho they have their differences and beliefs speaks about the same subject, im not saying they are right or they are wrong. but its just a thought i wanted to point out.

i do agree with you, death is inevitable.

That's because at the time all these religions became prominent, fire was about the worst thing mankind could imagine having to endure. Think about it for a fairly primitive culture: a naturally occuring phenomenon that created terrible pain when you touched it. Naturally, that would be a thing people would fear greatly, so the thought of having to endure an eternity of fire 'in the afterlife' was probably quite motivational to 'get right with god.'
legendary
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May 28, 2015, 11:27:45 AM
So this guy is claiming he remembers things from before he had a working brain, and you guys are STILL feeding the troll?



Of course, neither you or anybody else can prove that there isn't consciousness without the brain. So where is your evidence that there isn't thinking without the brain?

I think you'll find the burden of proof falls on you with this one.
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May 28, 2015, 11:22:30 AM
because they have their own religion..
i think they love to be free..they want every thing in their own way..and from my point of view it is best thing because all religions teach only one thing that is humanity...

Wow! This sounds just like many atheists. What a religion atheism is!

Smiley
legendary
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May 28, 2015, 11:21:38 AM
So this guy is claiming he remembers things from before he had a working brain, and you guys are STILL feeding the troll?



Of course, neither you or anybody else can prove that there isn't consciousness without the brain. So where is your evidence that there isn't thinking without the brain?

There is a wide universe full of possibilities that we have only started to master, only scratched the surface of understanding.

You anti-scientific-advancement nerd.

Smiley
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May 28, 2015, 05:09:29 AM
because they have their own religion..
i think they love to be free..they want every thing in their own way..and from my point of view it is best thing because all religions teach only one thing that is humanity...
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May 28, 2015, 05:06:46 AM
So this guy is claiming he remembers things from before he had a working brain, and you guys are STILL feeding the troll?

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May 28, 2015, 05:04:14 AM
So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.




This is a highly indirect response to your question, but here it is:
Origin of Religion is history. History is written by human kind, and MOST importantly, INTERPRETATION of historic/religious information is done differently by different people. So, atheists, like most I know closely, hate religion as a reflection of interpretations done by some religious heads which do not 'seem' to have any logical reason.
I believe in my own reasoned interpretation which might make me an Atheist but it surely doesn't make me hate religion.

No harm no fowl intended to anyone, just my opinion.
Peace. Smiley
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May 28, 2015, 03:12:51 AM
Just because I didn't tell YOU what I was doing before I was born, doesn't mean I don't know.

Proof or you are just a deluded fantasist.
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