Topic: Why do Christians hate Atheists? - page 4. (Read 7430 times)

If it is really so that's a shame because true Christians should not force their religion on others, they should tolerate everyone's views as long as the views do not lead to killing human beings.  Am I missing something?

I don't hate atheists 

Except I don't hate religion any more than I hate HIV, or a cancer patient...

I see religion as an illness, and the people are sick... They need our help...

It is hard to think clearly when you have the flu... Isn't it nice when someone helps you while you are sick?  We can even provide medicine in the form of logic and reason and quotes from their own book, but recovery can take years


Religious people might not relate... They seem to think sick people are infested with demons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_bless_you#Origins_and_legends

Good definition, even if you make things even more complicated.
We could just call you someone who hates and despise religion ^^

I feel like being Agnostic is the only possibility for a reasonable man as it is without any doubt impossible to prove God doesn't exist and no proof of his existence can be found either. It means it's logical to keep your feet on the "we don't know and we can't know" line. But I perfectly understand the Antitheist part. People spit on Islam violence right now, but they forgot that the Dark Age of Christianity made the science progress go back to the 200's for nearly a millennia...

If it helps to confuse you even more...

I consider myself a Gnostic Antitheist...

I know that God does not exist, as well as anything non-mathematical can be known... The lack of evidence for God speaks even louder than the counterexamples do... If I were to put a number on it, I would say at least 99.9% certain... Given that reasonable doubt, according the the judge while I was a jury member, is in the range of 90-95%, my certainty goes well beyond a reasonable doubt

That's the Gnostic part...

The Antitheist mostly means (to me), that I believe religion is detrimental to society, and that we would be better off if had religion never been invented... As such, I actively fight against religious oppression of any form

Christians are a strong believer in god, so anyone who claims there is no god will probably cause some type of conflict between the two. They are literally total opposite of each other.

Not sure I understand you ^^
An agnostic doesn't know, know he doesn't know, and admit it's all impossible for him to know.
An Atheist believes there is no God. An Agnostic doesn't believe anything.

But the difference is really subtle and most people are Agnostic without even knowing it ^^

So an agnostic might believe there is no God and also that there no other gods as well?
I see the difference - this would be an interesting topic indeed.

No. An agnostic doesn't believe in God. It doesn't mean he doesn't believe in something else, he might believe in nothing.
An Atheist believes that there is no God. The difference is subtle but important. Atheist refuses the idea that God might exists. Agnostic doesn't really care ^^

So an agnostic doesn't believe in God but must believe in something else, whatever that might be?
Otherwise if he doesn't believe in God or other gods he's an atheist?

Well, I'm no perfectly sure with what you say.

For me an agnostic is someone that doesn't believe in God.
An Atheist is someone who believes there is no God.

So they are mutually exclusive in my opinion.

So neither one better than the other.

They're all running for power - every which way they can find it.

It simply doesn't matter... you can't blame war on Atheism...

It's not like you can even pretend that Christians are not solely responsible for the Dark Ages, Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts, etc...

You clearly have not read rule #1 of using the internet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Trust me, I know exactly what I am talking about (why do Christians always think they know more about Atheism than an Atheist?)

Christians try to twist the definition of every word, this is nothing new... feel free to speak with BADecker about how little I give a fuck about what your personal definition of a word is...

You are correct about Agnosticism, Gnosis = knowledge, etc...  You can be an Agnostic Atheist, or an Agnostic Christian... the terms are not mutually exclusive (and any honest Christian is Agnostic... any Christian who claims to know for certain that God exists is either a liar or a fool)

Atheism falls into multiple categories...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

The most basic of which is a lack of belief in a deity... also referred to as negative Atheism, weak Atheism, or soft Atheism...

You are conflating soft/weak/negative Atheism with hard/strong/positive Atheism... but both categories are Atheists, I assure you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism

You are thinking about Agnosticism - Gnosis is greek for knowledge and A+gnosis would be "No Knowledge" or simply put, "I do not know." This person is awaiting further evidence to allow them to properly decide to believe in god or even disbelieve. x or not x.

Atheism - Believes there is no god -- Regardless of proof or no proof.


and because I don't want to quote everyone.

Hitler was Catholic when he was younger. Hitler pushed for the elimination of Christianity. EDIT: Hitler wrote Mein Kampf when he was younger and by the end of the war, his views changed dramatically, I also didnt make the claim that it was purely based on Atheism. You are jumping the gun on argument.

Stalin's Soviet state was very much committed to the destruction of religion and even went about removing anything related to related to religion: churches, mosques, and temples. The schools also pushed the idea of Atheism and even promoted it as what society should follow. 12-20 million Christians killed as a result.

That is simply not true...

If you tell me that the Christian God exists, and I do not believe you... that does not mean I believe no gods exist

Atheism is not a belief that no gods exist... Atheism is the lack of belief in a god


False, and irrelevant... you can't blame Hitler on Atheism, though there is a case to be made that Hitler was a Christian...

Have you read Mein Kampf?  Hitler often refers to his Christian religious beliefs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

From what I remember communists were really not that religious. But again, I'm not exactly sure about that.

I hate to break this to you, but Atheists do have a belief.... They believe there is no god and there is no almost atheist. You are or you are not and anyone who feels they don't believe something that is in the Koran or in the bible (this includes the "evidence," as you put it, which isn't the entire reason people read the bible or the Koran) does not mean that they do not believe in God. It would really be the interpretation of what they read and would be the main reason for the numerous amounts of religion and factions of religion.

Now I am under the impression that many Atheists are misguided and are really just Non-Theists, which is what I would claim to be. A Non-Theist of course would define themselves as someone who doesn't understand why people even care about the belief and even disbelief in god and also someone doesn't care about proof or no proof.



This is probably your greatest post. It is full of good points, I suppose, but you negate to notice key events in history.

The Nazi agenda was not fueled by religion, it was quite the opposite and would see the decimation of millions; over ten million to be exact.

Stalin's Soviet Russia is another that had a great impact who would see millions also killed under his rule. This again, was practically Atheist. Karl Marx would write that religion was the opiate for the masses.

So if you want to make a tally, at least ensure that you are not forgetting the tens of millions dead due to anti-religious agendas.

I will also give you a million, and I think every other user that contradicted you here.

So, (BADecker) as to continue with the idea, I'd like to personally inform you that theoretically you're a millionaire. On the practical side - not so much. I think you got the general idea.

I don't think he knows he's lying. i think he can't really understand this ^^