Topic: Why do Christians hate Atheists? - page 4. (Read 7362 times)

God doesn't hate atheists. He loves them. But He is frustrated by them. Here's what I mean.

First God makes people in perfection. Adam and Eve wouldn't have ever died if they had never sinned. Why not? They were perfect people.

Then, as perfect people, Adam and Eve decided to use their perfection to see what imperfection was like. They didn't really want imperfection for themselves. They just wanted to test it out. Trouble is, when you are imperfect, there is no chance to go back to perfection. Because of this, Adam and Eve would die.

God saw that Adam and Eve didn't like the idea of imperfection once they had gotten into it. So, He decided to find a way back to perfection for them. The only way that would really work was for God, Himself, to come - in the form of Jesus - and take the brunt of punishment and death for people. Jesus did this when He died in excruciating pain, on the cross.

Because Jesus is God, He couldn't stay dead. He arose from death and lives as He is now, God in Heaven.

The point of what Jesus did on the cross is, Jesus essentially set people up on a pedestal, to be like God. We don't see most of our Godness, yet, because this universe is not suited for a situation like mankind becoming God. So, God is making a better universe for us all, a place where we can exist like God, with Godness... a place where He would love to take all of us to be with Him forever... in Godness.

After all this work, people are still rejecting perfection. What else can God do? He went all the way. He gave perfection. He gave Godness. He gave freedom of choice that only a God can have. And people used their Godness and God-like freedom of choice to throw it all away, including throwing away the Godness.

God is frustrated. He made people to be like Himself, but they used His strength to throw it all away. God is frustrated. If there was a way to save people, he would do it. But they are using God-strength to destroy themselves this time.

Okay, since they want destruction so badly, why not give it to them? After all, God is such a Great Giver that He gave even Godness to people, so what else can He do? Give them what they are asking for... destruction... even though He wishes He didn't have to.

There are, of course, those few (actually, multitudes) who accept their Godness, who accept transference into the New Heavens and the New Earth where their Godness can become totally activated and effective, who accept even death in this dying universe so that they can live life with God.

The choice is yours. Choose life and Godness. Choose faith in God, faith in Jesus salvation, so that you live forever. It's the only way. And it is the best way.

Well maybe you don't hate atheists but you're God do that's for sure...

Maybe in the future people having religion beliefs will be treated the same way schizophrenics are treated nowadays

If it is really so that's a shame because true Christians should not force their religion on others, they should tolerate everyone's views as long as the views do not lead to killing human beings.  Am I missing something?

I don't hate atheists 

Except I don't hate religion any more than I hate HIV, or a cancer patient...

I see religion as an illness, and the people are sick... They need our help...

It is hard to think clearly when you have the flu... Isn't it nice when someone helps you while you are sick?  We can even provide medicine in the form of logic and reason and quotes from their own book, but recovery can take years


Religious people might not relate... They seem to think sick people are infested with demons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_bless_you#Origins_and_legends

Good definition, even if you make things even more complicated.
We could just call you someone who hates and despise religion ^^

I feel like being Agnostic is the only possibility for a reasonable man as it is without any doubt impossible to prove God doesn't exist and no proof of his existence can be found either. It means it's logical to keep your feet on the "we don't know and we can't know" line. But I perfectly understand the Antitheist part. People spit on Islam violence right now, but they forgot that the Dark Age of Christianity made the science progress go back to the 200's for nearly a millennia...

If it helps to confuse you even more...

I consider myself a Gnostic Antitheist...

I know that God does not exist, as well as anything non-mathematical can be known... The lack of evidence for God speaks even louder than the counterexamples do... If I were to put a number on it, I would say at least 99.9% certain... Given that reasonable doubt, according the the judge while I was a jury member, is in the range of 90-95%, my certainty goes well beyond a reasonable doubt

That's the Gnostic part...

The Antitheist mostly means (to me), that I believe religion is detrimental to society, and that we would be better off if had religion never been invented... As such, I actively fight against religious oppression of any form

Christians are a strong believer in god, so anyone who claims there is no god will probably cause some type of conflict between the two. They are literally total opposite of each other.

Not sure I understand you ^^
An agnostic doesn't know, know he doesn't know, and admit it's all impossible for him to know.
An Atheist believes there is no God. An Agnostic doesn't believe anything.

But the difference is really subtle and most people are Agnostic without even knowing it ^^

So an agnostic might believe there is no God and also that there no other gods as well?
I see the difference - this would be an interesting topic indeed.

No. An agnostic doesn't believe in God. It doesn't mean he doesn't believe in something else, he might believe in nothing.
An Atheist believes that there is no God. The difference is subtle but important. Atheist refuses the idea that God might exists. Agnostic doesn't really care ^^

So an agnostic doesn't believe in God but must believe in something else, whatever that might be?
Otherwise if he doesn't believe in God or other gods he's an atheist?

Well, I'm no perfectly sure with what you say.

For me an agnostic is someone that doesn't believe in God.
An Atheist is someone who believes there is no God.

So they are mutually exclusive in my opinion.

So neither one better than the other.

They're all running for power - every which way they can find it.

Soviets had few things that were progressive for their time: gender equality, elimination of racism, education, and yes, atheism.  They put emphasis on Math and Science education, so there was no room for religion in school curriculums.  Religion was viewed as an ancient relic (which it is).

Of course the way they went about destroying religion was brutal and inhumane.  They did it because they felt religion cult was in competition with their own cult.

Believe it of not, but Stalin's version of communism was like a religion.  They had a dogma, they had God like figure to worship etc., any opposition was eliminated or dealt with.  

Father Stalin was like God to many Soviet citizens.  Similar religion/cult is present in North Korea today.

So yes, they killed Christians, destroyed churches, but they did it because of Communism, a competing cult.

It simply doesn't matter... you can't blame war on Atheism...

It's not like you can even pretend that Christians are not solely responsible for the Dark Ages, Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts, etc...

You clearly have not read rule #1 of using the internet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Trust me, I know exactly what I am talking about (why do Christians always think they know more about Atheism than an Atheist?)

Christians try to twist the definition of every word, this is nothing new... feel free to speak with BADecker about how little I give a fuck about what your personal definition of a word is...

You are correct about Agnosticism, Gnosis = knowledge, etc...  You can be an Agnostic Atheist, or an Agnostic Christian... the terms are not mutually exclusive (and any honest Christian is Agnostic... any Christian who claims to know for certain that God exists is either a liar or a fool)

Atheism falls into multiple categories...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

The most basic of which is a lack of belief in a deity... also referred to as negative Atheism, weak Atheism, or soft Atheism...

You are conflating soft/weak/negative Atheism with hard/strong/positive Atheism... but both categories are Atheists, I assure you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism

You are thinking about Agnosticism - Gnosis is greek for knowledge and A+gnosis would be "No Knowledge" or simply put, "I do not know." This person is awaiting further evidence to allow them to properly decide to believe in god or even disbelieve. x or not x.

Atheism - Believes there is no god -- Regardless of proof or no proof.


and because I don't want to quote everyone.

Hitler was Catholic when he was younger. Hitler pushed for the elimination of Christianity. EDIT: Hitler wrote Mein Kampf when he was younger and by the end of the war, his views changed dramatically, I also didnt make the claim that it was purely based on Atheism. You are jumping the gun on argument.

Stalin's Soviet state was very much committed to the destruction of religion and even went about removing anything related to related to religion: churches, mosques, and temples. The schools also pushed the idea of Atheism and even promoted it as what society should follow. 12-20 million Christians killed as a result.

That is simply not true...

If you tell me that the Christian God exists, and I do not believe you... that does not mean I believe no gods exist

Atheism is not a belief that no gods exist... Atheism is the lack of belief in a god


False, and irrelevant... you can't blame Hitler on Atheism, though there is a case to be made that Hitler was a Christian...

Have you read Mein Kampf?  Hitler often refers to his Christian religious beliefs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler