Topic: Why do islam hates people? - page 185. (Read 437390 times)

When it comes right down to it, everyone has sold his/her soul. Most of the people don't realize what they have done. But if they do, they don't understand the far reaching effects.

because westerners behind their great paroles and discourses have sold their souls. and they are incapable to understand the Word : DUNYA (a part a few fast lifers of the SF).

While this is somewhat true basically, it isn't relatively true.

Nobody follows his/her religion perfectly. Nobody. Yet Christians all over the Christian centers of the world - Western Europe, North America and Australia - follow their religion through understanding of what is written in their religious book, the Bible, much more than Muslims follow their religion. Why? Because, even in the centers of Islam - basically in the Middle East - the literacy rate is, on average, reasonably lower than in the Christian centers. Because of this, most Muslims aren't even aware of what their book says.

In my post at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10506661 I show a link to an article about Timbuktu in Mali, Africa. Mali, even though it isn't an Islamic center, is one of the ten major nations of the world with the lowest literacy rate. The article says that "Mali’s population is predominantly Sunni Muslim. Sunni’s in Mali are known for their mystical Sufi traditions, which allow individuals to define their own spiritual experience, including through music and poetry. In practice, Malian Islam is tolerant and open-minded." The reason that Mali's Islam is so open minded is, the people can't read, write or think well enough to figure out what the Quran and other Islamic writings are saying. When you check into it, you will see that, even though literacy rates are higher among many (most?) other Islamic nations, the Quran isn't read among Muslim families like the Bible is among Christian families.

The point is, if a person doesn't even know what his professed religion says, it isn't really his religion.

This means that Islam is essentially a dead religion. The only people who are keeping it barely alive are the few religious leaders, the Muslim extremists, and the media that talks about it all the time. The things that exist as Islam among the common, Islamic peoples as their religion, are all kinds of things that are simply spiritual, and not Islamic at all. The only other thing that they stick to is the word "Islam" itself. But this word holds no common meaning among them outside of the fact that they all use it.

Most of the world's religions are like this. Even the religion called "modern science" that has been permeating the world these last 5 or 6 decades, is really a religion of all kinds of contradictory understandings.

Probably the most solid religion among its people, where the people regularly open and read their book to see what their religion says, is the Christian religion.

Is riding a camel running at full speed really as smooth as the music?

 

Hmmm...  Maurice Jarre!

Yes I feel the same.

There is an issue which troubles me a bit, here is what it is.  We see often atheists and liberals arguing and insulting fundamentalist Christians, often from a position of ignorance.  This is done based on correct facts, however the Christian finds not that his religion has been insulted but his culture.  Or the town he lives in, or his friends.  He does not see it as a strict fact base argument against particular sentences in a religious book.

I don't think anyone here seeks to insult the greater context of the culture in which people live, whether it is Islamic or Christian or secular.  

However when a question is posed such as "nothing to do with Islam, again "extremists" all I can do is go to the data, and noting that it seems a full blown war is in progress, comment on that as it does seem something far in excess of a "few extremists."

How this may be reconciled with the certainty that I do not seek to insult the Islamic religion or it's adherents is of course a bit of a quandary, but there it is.

Side note - I am watching the remastered blu ray Lawence of Arabia tonight.  An amazing movie.

Clerics hold a good position in the world. Life is easy. Why make the waves that would certainly come about if they revealed that Islam was a religion of war and violence?

I understand your point of view, but what about the silence of your clerics?  Why not FATWAs against these brutal murderers that insult your Prophet far worse, it would seem, than some book like Rushbie's?

Are the clerics simply scared?

I don't have the time right now to look up the rules, but I strongly suspect that the Army leadership can by itself designate who gets the Purple Heart, and did so to right the wrongs here.  The "wrongs" were the decision by the White House to not call this an act of terrorism, or an act of war.  This I believe caused the surviving family members to not be eligible for benefits for the soldiers killed in war or terrorism.  In turn this was a political decision.

i am from India!

I may have misunderstood. I admit, I do make mistakes (as my wife reminds me, often).
I thought they were only eligible for the Purple Heart because their injuries were the result of an enemy combatant? Leading me to assume the President finally accepted this was an act of war.
Am I wrong? If so, I do apologize for my misunderstanding. My main point was that I am happy that our brave military members are receiving recognition for their injuries at the hands of a terrorist.

... Only if this act was described as a shooting, that's still a great job from our leader?

They rightly deserve that Purple Heart. They are Heroes and faced and survived an enemy.
Great job by our leaders to approve this decision. Our military men and women face enough hardships and deserve to be recognized for the horrible act committed against.

Army approves Purple Hearts for soldiers wounded in 2009 Fort Hood shooting



Army Secretary John McHugh said Friday that he has approved awarding the Purple Heart and its civilian counterpart to those wounded during a mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, in 2009, following years of pressure from families and a change in rules approved by Congress.

The Nov. 5, 2009, shooting killed 13 people and wounded more than 30. It was carried out by Maj. Nidal Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, who was convicted in August 2013 of 13 counts of murder and 32 counts of attempted murder. Hasan said he acted because of what he alleged was U.S. aggression against Muslims and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He offered no apology during trial, and was sentenced to death.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/02/06/army-approves-purple-hearts-for-soldiers-wounded-in-2009-fort-hood-shooting/


So... Yep.

Because American media have gone the other direction and don't seem to be calling terrorists, terrorists.

They never called the guy at Fort Hood who shot up 30+ people shouting Allah Akbar a terrorist (even though he had links to known terrorists), they called it an "incident of workplace violence."

Wouldn't be cheaper for mossad and the cia to do the bombing directly themselves instead of giving money to a JV team like isis? If everything is true why join the army of the cia and mossad just to be turned into meat for 1K a month, according to someone else here? So people know isis, etc are ALL puppets of the cia and mossad. Yet they keep joining them for the cause of... Making the cia and mossad even more powerful so they can die for their cause, cause that is financed by the cia and mossad?

Interesting...

I'am sticking to what I said , when a Christian or Jew do something wrong (even if he did it because he extremist) no one mentions anything about terror or don't even mention his religion on the newspaper but once they see "Muslim" .. the shit starts . They make all muslims bad no matter and simply forget the good things they do over the world . Example
Really enjoying the Open Discussion here with you guys , so I hope you don't take my words to a personal way because I have nothing against you I hope you feel the same

@Spendulus , those killers have nothing to do with Islam , again "Extremists" . If you read Quran and Hadith of our prophet you would know that for a muslim "killing one person is like killing the whole humanity and saving one person is like saving the whole humanity."
~ Madness

I realize a lot of people in the Middle East are fed propaganda like that by their government and media.  But I do not think these conspiracy theories have merit considering the truly vast number of incidents across widely varying countries, continents and cultures.

The Vietnam war was fought by the US for 18 years and 58,000 servicemen died.  That's 3,200 per year. 

Muslim violence is killing that many per month.  3998 dead in January 2015 alone.

You can't shrug these kinds of numbers off.

Right now this is reality in the news:


Police say Muslim man stabbed two others over religious beliefs at a Southfield bus stop






Southfield police have arrested a 39-year-old man who allegedly stabbed two other men multiple times at a bus stop near Northland Mall in Southfield Saturday night.

Terrence Lavaron Thomas, of Detroit, will be arraigned on charges of two counts of assault with intent to murder, one count of carrying a dangerous weapon with unlawful intent and one count of possession of marijuana.

Thomas’s bail was set at $1 million cash or surety bond.

According to police, Thomas attacked the victims, a 52-year-old man and 51-year-old man from Detroit, after he “made several comments about his religion and asked the victims about their religious beliefs just before the assault occurred.”

Nick Loussia, Deputy Chief of Police for the Southfield Police Department, said Thomas “is Muslim, and asked the victims what religion they were” before allegedly attacking them.


http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/02/man_stabs_two_others_at_a_sout.html

You do reliaze that Al-Qaida , ISIS , Taliban  are all made by the Intelligences of USA (CIA) and also by the mossad (Israelian Intelligence) which is prooven a lot of times by ex agents , or leaked files from WikiLeaks ,  Edward Snowden documents .
Basically those agencies make 1-2 people (Al Baghdadi leading ISIS , Ben laden leading Al Qaeda etc ...) they give some extremists thoughts to people and that's enough to make bunch of people killing here and there

~ Madness