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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…



The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability.

Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism.

However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world.

“We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder.

“We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.”



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html


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I can agree with that. Many of them don't know about the basic writings of their religion, and don't even realize that they don't know, wouldn't know how to find out if they realized it, because so many of them are illiterate.

Or (3) which is in my opinion much more likely. 

They are honestly and sincerely reporting on their personal experience of Islam and their personal and cultural understanding of what jihad means.

But (1) is likely also, because for sure most people in Islam just like Christianity or anything else go along with the flow, but don't really care or believe much about it.

It would be a logical error of over generalization to take a large and diverse group such as "muslims" and attempt to ascribe a single cause to one behavior pattern.

Islamic calls to violence in the Quran and Hadith, don't really look like self-defense or out-of-context translating to me. And the website http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm explains this clearly.

This leaves only two possibilities. Muslims who say that Islam is a religion of peace either...
1. Don't know or care what their religious writings say, or...
2. Are part of some kind of jihad, even if it is only a jihad of deception.

I think what you attempt to do in your writing on this forum is

1.  Ascribe bad practices by Muslims to their local or regional culture, not the religion
2.  Ascribe bad practices by Muslims who are shouting Allah Akbar as they do stuff to a wrong interpretation of the religious documents.

Then, Islam is left with the "good", because all "bad" has been pushed to the side.

Reminds me of and does appear to be the logical error "The True Scotsman."

Good luck in your studies. Let's all try to remain peaceful.

Muslims were in minority and were forced to take arms to defend their lives. Would you give up your life if someone came to take it for no just reason or defend yourself?
By reading sacred text you would see the courage of muslims against Arab lords who violated basic human rights.
Islam/Quran has a very clear view on violence. Being a muslim it is commanded in Quran to take arms if opponent state/non-muslims who have peace treaty with you violate it OR if they are in power and disallow muslims to offer prayers to God and other religious duties. These were the problems faced by muslims in oppressive Arab lords who didn't believe in freedom of expression and wanted to eliminate muslims who were far less in number. So what you call violence was for defence purpose only.
Islam is the religion of peace because it doesn't allow to attack others for power or subjugation. If some people do this then its against the teachings of Islam.
I never read Bible so I'm not sure about it. Quran is the final word so it contains guidance about all aspects of life.

P.S I'm done here for now. Trying to study Biology, Chemistry and Physics for exam.

The point is this. When anyone who can read the Quran or Hadith, reads them the first time, he will see much more violence therein than the violence he will see reading the New Testament the first time. Not only that, but the violence appears to be living, unprovoked violence, made for Muslims to use.

This may be an entirely wrong reading approach. It may totally be that nobody is directed by Islam to do the violence, and that he has to be trained to see that the violence he reads is simply rhetoric not to be used, but if that is the case, why is the violence even listed as it is listed? Why not get rid of the violence words and verses?

The fact that the words are there in the form that they are, makes Islam a much greater religion of violence than religions that don't even have the words.

I commend people who stick to their teachings. What I don't commend are double-standard teachings that you have to twist all out of shape to make them say the things that you want them to say, especially when the things that they say look like directives for harming other people. It is somewhat like this for all religions, and a lot of so-called scientific writing, as well. But it is Islam that has the violence, at least in the wording of its sacred writings.

It doesn't justify marriage with impubes. Those who have attained puberty could be married with their consent. Now you'll bring up the marriage of Prophet with Aisha(Muslims' mother) when she were very young. Let me tell you that it is a scientific fact that women reach puberty earlier than men. Also women of hot climate (Arab was a desert) reach puberty earlier than women of colder climates. That marriage could be said as political offered by her fathet(who later became 1st Caliph) with her daughter's will as Aisha was happily married and devoted to Prophet.

She was very capable and intelligent person. She devoted her life to Islam being one of the most prominent scholar. She was also politically active most of her life. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Camel is one such example should be enough to answer all feminist critics of Islam.

There is something very wrong with it. IT IS RAPE!
A child does not have the developed mental capacity to consent.

Islam doesn't supress women but there are certain societies and cultures which do. It was Islam who actually elevated the status of women in society. Islam doesn't allow forced marriage of women. The perfect example for muslims is from Prophet's family. He asked her daughter's willingness for her marriage to Ali.
If Islam had supressed women than Prophet's wife and prominent early muslim scholar Aisha wouldn't have commanded an army on battlefield in a conflict. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Camel
About age difference as I told you forced marriage is not allowed in Islam so what if a woman marries an older man by her own willingness or a man marries an older woman. It rarely happens but there is nothing wrong in it and its allowed all over the world.
Islam has given respect to women. Islam prohibits prostitution, adultery and not covering private parts etc both for men and women. So what's wrong with it. These are a few things which separate humans from animals.
I agree that certain underdeveloped nations and societies suppress women right mostly middle eastern muslim countries but you can't blame Islam for it.
I live in an Islamic country Pakistan with 180 million population and there are hardly any problems with women rights. Only a small percentage of tribal women have issues but that is due to their own tribal culture and lack of development and education.

That is very very very... unlikely. May be a 0.00001% chance. I think that Satoshi is either East Asian or White. And he is either non-religious or Christian.

Good video. It brings up many questions that Muslims always seem to talk around. We all know Islamic women are oppressed, yet their cleric denies it. They perform marriage ceremonies between little girls and old muslim men. They beat their wives. If a woman exposes any skin, in public, allah says she should be stoned to death.
ISIS is going around killing off their own people.

In the Qur'an, Allah claims to be perfectly clear in his commands (see 6:114; 11:1; 12:1; 15:1; 16:89; 22:72; 24:1, 34, 46; 26:2; 27:1; 28:2; 36:69; 41:3; 57:9; 65:11; etc.). Yet when critics quote the Qur'an, many Muslims insist that Allah means something very different from what he says. This should cause us to wonder: Is Allah's speech clear, or is it horribly unclear? Could Allah be the the worst communicator ever?

I would again refer you to historical context. Arabs were different from the rest of the world. They didn't believe in freedom of expression or anything.
" the verse is against only those who puts Muslims to torture or kill him because of his religion."
Are you trying to say one should not defend himself if he is attacked unjustly?
Bible not being comprehensive is understandable.  It was for a specific society for a shorter period of time while Quran is the final message and its for all times and societies so it touched all issues.
Also you can't learn Islam simply by reading. Prophet tells us "Lying is root of all evils". Muslims can only lie to save their life as it is precious than anything else. Just follow the tradition of Prophet ans you'll know he never lied and always preferred peace to war.
Peace treaties were made during his time with non-muslims. But they were violated by non-muslims notably Pagans and Jews.
Yes, Islam is they religion of peace because The Qur'an not only says that a Pagan seeking asylum during a battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place.

I think you are forgetting somethings here. Popes waging wars against "infidels" is recorded in history.

What if the Bitcoin protocol code is really a translation of the Quran?

 

What if satoshi was a Muslim. Hum.

Reject all false prophets, the only real one is Satoshi.

But you can understand the New Testament of the Bible just by reading it. And nowhere in the N.T. does it even say anything like the violence found in the Quran or Hadith. The closest it might come has to do with what God might do to wicked people some time in the future... not what Christians are supposed to do to unbelievers. Christians are even instructed to be meek and loving toward those who hurt them. It's right there for everyone to read.

So, how can Islam - which started 600 years after Christianity - call itself a peaceful religion? Peace doesn't have to do with statements of violence. Leave it in context, and it still says violence.

The only peace I see in Islam is the peace of a bunch of peaceful Muslims who don't even realize that they are not in compliance with the tenets of violence in their religion.

So, what is it that you are trying to do? After all, it is almost a requirement of the Quran that Muslims lie to us infidels. Are you one of the Islamic adepts, steeped in Quran knowledge, and putting it into practice with us infidels?

That website funded by zionists doesn't make any sense. Quoting out of context references doesn't prove anything nor linking ISIS/Taliban(US invention) killings with Islam. You know even we Muslims can't understand Quran simply by reading it. Most of the narrations in Quran have specific background events. Most violence related verses that are quoted were revealed for early battles fought during Prophet's life to defend Muslims and they never justify any terrorism.They were fought for defence and also because earlier Muslims who were a lot fewer in number were not allowed to pray or even call them Muslims. Islam has been the religion of suppressed of the society and it always will be.