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legendary
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February 22, 2015, 10:03:14 AM
The essence of Islam is dissolved in an Islamic society. It is not only limited to personal spirituality of individuals as in most religions.As Islam is actually a Deen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn (which is complete code of life). It is not limited to a set of spiritual practices or prayers. The way we eat, sleep, do business and everything else all of it is Islam(if done according to Islamic principles).

This is where the question lies. It is in the words, "if done according to Islamic principles." Where can a person find out what Islamic principles are?

Since most Muslims do not read the Quran, and many of them cannot read at all, do they get the Islamic principles from somebody else reading the Quran to them?

If I, a Christian, simply state that my Christian activities are Islamic principles, then am I a Muslim, even though the Quran is generally against accepting a Christian as a Muslim without having the Christian deny his Christianity first?

The point that I am trying to make is that, if Islamic principles are not standardized in the lives of all Muslims, then anybody who is spiritually minded, no matter what that form of spirituality is, can be Islamic simply by saying, "Allah is God," and "I am a Muslim," right?

Smiley
I agree there are many Muslims who do not read Qur'an with translation themselves but they are still aware of Islamic rulings on all/most matters and affairs. Because they are a part of Islamic society which is based on these teachings; they learn everything while they are growing up in that environment. So even illiterate people are aware of almost all basic rules.
For people not living in that society/environment they'll have to learn about it by reading/researching etc.

Also Qur'an is not the only source of Islamic knowledge and teachings.There are Prophetic sayings(Hadith) which explains the rules in details.

Its simply by saying "Allah is God and Muhammad is prophet" you become Muslim. Then there are 4 other basic pillars of Islam.

Here is the big question that needs answering.
Why is Islam called the religion of peace?

The question is asked because, in both the Quran and the Hadith, there are calls of Islam calling Muslims to violence. Often the violence is extreme. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

The only peace in Islam seems to be that which is extended to Muslims. That is understandable because, no religion wants to destroy itself.

No other major religion has strong violence listed in it against people of other religions. Where strong violence is listed in other the writings of other religions, it is generally simply a recorded record of past events. It is not a call to do the violence. In the Quran and Hadith, it is a call for Muslims to do the violence.

All the religions have peace extended to members of their own faith. All religions extend peace to their own people. You could say it like this:

Non-Islamic religions = Peace for their own people.
Non-Islamic religions = Reasonable peace for people of other religions.

Islam = Peace for their own people.
Islam = Violence against people of other religions.

How does this make Islam a religion of peace, since the violence is written right into the Quran and the Hadith, the basic writings of Islam? Isn't Islam really a religion of violence where many Muslims only think that it is a religion of peace? Or with many Muslims who are not really Muslims at heart? Or with many Muslims who would be shocked if they knew what their own religion taught?

Smiley
legendary
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February 22, 2015, 12:45:39 AM
The essence of Islam is dissolved in an Islamic society. It is not only limited to personal spirituality of individuals as in most religions.As Islam is actually a Deen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn (which is complete code of life). It is not limited to a set of spiritual practices or prayers. The way we eat, sleep, do business and everything else all of it is Islam(if done according to Islamic principles).

This is where the question lies. It is in the words, "if done according to Islamic principles." Where can a person find out what Islamic principles are?

Since most Muslims do not read the Quran, and many of them cannot read at all, do they get the Islamic principles from somebody else reading the Quran to them?

If I, a Christian, simply state that my Christian activities are Islamic principles, then am I a Muslim, even though the Quran is generally against accepting a Christian as a Muslim without having the Christian deny his Christianity first?

The point that I am trying to make is that, if Islamic principles are not standardized in the lives of all Muslims, then anybody who is spiritually minded, no matter what that form of spirituality is, can be Islamic simply by saying, "Allah is God," and "I am a Muslim," right?

Smiley
I agree there are many Muslims who do not read Qur'an with translation themselves but they are still aware of Islamic rulings on all/most matters and affairs. Because they are a part of Islamic society which is based on these teachings; they learn everything while they are growing up in that environment. So even illiterate people are aware of almost all basic rules.
For people not living in that society/environment they'll have to learn about it by reading/researching etc.

Also Qur'an is not the only source of Islamic knowledge and teachings.There are Prophetic sayings(Hadith) which explains the rules in details.

Its simply by saying "Allah is God and Muhammad is prophet" you become Muslim. Then there are 4 other basic pillars of Islam.
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 11:54:27 PM
The essence of Islam is dissolved in an Islamic society. It is not only limited to personal spirituality of individuals as in most religions.As Islam is actually a Deen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn (which is complete code of life). It is not limited to a set of spiritual practices or prayers. The way we eat, sleep, do business and everything else all of it is Islam(if done according to Islamic principles).

This is where the question lies. It is in the words, "if done according to Islamic principles." Where can a person find out what Islamic principles are?

Since most Muslims do not read the Quran, and many of them cannot read at all, do they get the Islamic principles from somebody else reading the Quran to them?

If I, a Christian, simply state that my Christian activities are Islamic principles, then am I a Muslim, even though the Quran is generally against accepting a Christian as a Muslim without having the Christian deny his Christianity first?

The point that I am trying to make is that, if Islamic principles are not standardized in the lives of all Muslims, then anybody who is spiritually minded, no matter what that form of spirituality is, can be Islamic simply by saying, "Allah is God," and "I am a Muslim," right?

Smiley
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 11:16:12 PM
The essence of Islam is dissolved in an Islamic society. It is not only limited to personal spirituality of individuals as in most religions.As Islam is actually a Deen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn (which is complete code of life). It is not limited to a set of spiritual practices or prayers. The way we eat, sleep, do business and everything else all of it is Islam(if done according to Islamic principles).
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 09:43:06 PM
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February 21, 2015, 06:22:07 PM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.

Not a chance. If bin Laden was dying of illness, he would have had plenty of time to erase all that porn from his computer.
But, he didn't. It was loaded with porn.
Proof that his death was sudden (even if we disagree about Seal Team 6).
I'm sure Osama didn't watch porn.[/i]

He did. It was on his recovered computer....even had the Paris Hilton sex tape on it.

you believe people that enslave you with fiat, people that feed you gmo, people that let SF die with out help, people that don't care 22/d, people that ... and you still believe them? lol, please you are part of the new prop team of barack, you can only produce that with our tax dollars? typical Obama care, you went to high school together?

edit: a quicky for my Saudi friends, when did the miscreants leave the peninsula?


Even though he was a terrorist, Osama ben Laden was still a male.
He watched porn...a lot of it. Including the Paris Hilton sex tape.
Not a big deal, but it is a fact.

if only you could defend the c and bor as you do for your prop... the controllers of America are terrorists. ubl time will tell... It's very sad, that my trust lvl in the controllers of the usa is now negative. And trending lower, flash crash style, blowing all resistance, snowballing to hellish lvl.

Ok, but that has very little to do with how much Osama loved watching porno (before being put down).
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February 21, 2015, 05:10:08 PM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.

Not a chance. If bin Laden was dying of illness, he would have had plenty of time to erase all that porn from his computer.
But, he didn't. It was loaded with porn.
Proof that his death was sudden (even if we disagree about Seal Team 6).
I'm sure Osama didn't watch porn.[/i]

He did. It was on his recovered computer....even had the Paris Hilton sex tape on it.

you believe people that enslave you with fiat, people that feed you gmo, people that let SF die with out help, people that don't care 22/d, people that ... and you still believe them? lol, please you are part of the new prop team of barack, you can only produce that with our tax dollars? typical Obama care, you went to high school together?

edit: a quicky for my Saudi friends, when did the miscreants leave the peninsula?


Even though he was a terrorist, Osama ben Laden was still a male.
He watched porn...a lot of it. Including the Paris Hilton sex tape.
Not a big deal, but it is a fact.

if only you could defend the c and bor as you do for your prop... the controllers of America are terrorists. ubl time will tell... It's very sad, that my trust lvl in the controllers of the usa is now negative. And trending lower, flash crash style, blowing all resistance, snowballing to hellish lvl.
hero member
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February 21, 2015, 05:07:23 PM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.

Not a chance. If bin Laden was dying of illness, he would have had plenty of time to erase all that porn from his computer.
But, he didn't. It was loaded with porn.
Proof that his death was sudden (even if we disagree about Seal Team 6).
I'm sure Osama didn't watch porn.[/i]

He did. It was on his recovered computer....even had the Paris Hilton sex tape on it.

you believe people that enslave you with fiat, people that feed you gmo, people that let SF die with out help, people that don't care 22/d, people that ... and you still believe them? lol, please you are part of the new prop team of barack, you can only produce that with our tax dollars? typical Obama care, you went to high school together?

edit: a quicky for my Saudi friends, when did the miscreants leave the peninsula?


Even though he was a terrorist, Osama ben Laden was still a male.
He watched porn...a lot of it. Including the Paris Hilton sex tape.
Not a big deal, but it is a fact.
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"PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank U"
February 21, 2015, 03:13:14 PM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.

Not a chance. If bin Laden was dying of illness, he would have had plenty of time to erase all that porn from his computer.
But, he didn't. It was loaded with porn.
Proof that his death was sudden (even if we disagree about Seal Team 6).
I'm sure Osama didn't watch porn.[/i]

He did. It was on his recovered computer....even had the Paris Hilton sex tape on it.

you believe people that enslave you with fiat, people that feed you gmo, people that let SF die with out help, people that don't care 22/d, people that ... and you still believe them? lol, please you are part of the new prop team of barack, you can only produce that with our tax dollars? typical Obama care, you went to high school together?

edit: a quicky for my Saudi friends, when did the miscreants leave the peninsula?
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February 21, 2015, 03:08:17 PM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.

Not a chance. If bin Laden was dying of illness, he would have had plenty of time to erase all that porn from his computer.
But, he didn't. It was loaded with porn.
Proof that his death was sudden (even if we disagree about Seal Team 6).
I'm sure Osama didn't watch porn.[/i]

He did. It was on his recovered computer....even had the Paris Hilton sex tape on it.
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"PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank U"
February 21, 2015, 01:32:15 PM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam

I think the number of and geographical spread of these attacks is such as to disprove any theories that "the US and those nasty Jews" are behind them.  You can argue that for a single attack but not for so many - over 25,000 incidents since 9/11.


Even if they are not behind right now they used to be and they empowered them. They should accept the damages by monster they created without crying or which got created itself because of their bloody conquests of M.E and Afghanistan.
So my ancestors who were Irish Druids, should hate and blame all the people that invaded and messed with Ireland?  Pretty long list...

that would mean living in hate, can it be considered living?
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam

I think the number of and geographical spread of these attacks is such as to disprove any theories that "the US and those nasty Jews" are behind them.  You can argue that for a single attack but not for so many - over 25,000 incidents since 9/11.


Even if they are not behind right now they used to be and they empowered them. They should accept the damages by monster they created without crying or which got created itself because of their bloody conquests of M.E and Afghanistan.
So my ancestors who were Irish Druids, should hate and blame all the people that invaded and messed with Ireland?  Pretty long list...
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February 21, 2015, 09:36:01 AM
with out the Sun there is no life on Earth. If a very advance alien civ comes and take the sun star away... you will see what happen, and it ain't pretty (gravitational level), be ready to be "shifted".
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 09:28:06 AM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.

Not a chance. If bin Laden was dying of illness, he would have had plenty of time to erase all that porn from his computer.
But, he didn't. It was loaded with porn.
Proof that his death was sudden (even if we disagree about Seal Team 6).
I'm sure Osama didn't watch porn. Only U.S soldiers who piss in their pants do.

I hate al-qaeeda and other similar groups they are savage animals but US/Israel are worst.
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 09:24:02 AM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam

I think the number of and geographical spread of these attacks is such as to disprove any theories that "the US and those nasty Jews" are behind them.  You can argue that for a single attack but not for so many - over 25,000 incidents since 9/11.


Even if they are not behind right now they used to be and they empowered them. They should accept the damages by monster they created without crying or which got created itself because of their bloody conquests of M.E and Afghanistan.
hero member
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February 21, 2015, 02:35:50 AM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.

Not a chance. If bin Laden was dying of illness, he would have had plenty of time to erase all that porn from his computer.
But, he didn't. It was loaded with porn.
Proof that his death was sudden (even if we disagree about Seal Team 6).
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 02:26:00 AM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.That operation was just a drama to to ease psychological fear of USA and allies. I live a few km from that place in Abbottabad. 

Seal Team 6 was DEFINITELY an orchestrated drama.

Other issues are conjecture - whether Obama was already dead, whether he is still alive, etc.
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 02:19:15 AM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam

I think the number of and geographical spread of these attacks is such as to disprove any theories that "the US and those nasty Jews" are behind them.  You can argue that for a single attack but not for so many - over 25,000 incidents since 9/11.

legendary
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February 21, 2015, 02:06:37 AM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams.
I think Osama was dead already from illness.That operation was just a drama to to ease psychological fear of USA and allies. I live a few km from that place in Abbottabad. 

I am just not 100% convinced by any theory surrounding Osama's death, we would never know that happen. And I gathered from my experience that USA can't be fully trusted but I doubt that they will stand behind every murder and terrorist attack muslims do.
legendary
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February 21, 2015, 02:00:44 AM
You clearly don't know any history of Middle East and how ISIS originated and who is its direct beneficiary. ISIS is funded to destruct muslims by killing them and at the same time maligning Islam


So you do not think Osama bin ladin is still alive and the mastermind of all this sweeping terrorism?
(For the record, I do not believe Osama is alive. I think he really was put down by Seal Team 6 before he was able to wipe away the tons of porn he left behind on his computer.)
I think OBL still haunts USA's dreams. Osama was dead already probably from illness or something else.That operation was just a drama to to ease psychological fear of USA and allies. I live a few km from that place in Abbottabad.  
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