Your civility is wasted, Cranky.
In fact, it's inappropriate to continue offer civility in a situation where the opposition clearly has no intent of gaming on the same level.
It's just another form of self congratulation.
The situation with these muslims or their naive sympathizers is not one to be solved with reason or civility. They selectively take reason and logic to try and manipulate it for their own ends, just as anyone would do when they cannot stand legitimately on their own two feet. They always try to manipulate, engage in deflection and blame shifting, and trying to throw back shit they smeared on their own faces then pretend they are the most reasonable one in the room when in fact, anyone can see they are being cheeky and overtly defensive.
It's same as listening to 5 year old giving attitude and mouth. Treat it as such, and call out spade as spade.
As for the supposedly 'racially charged slur', no one is fooled from the fact that these oppositions are acting out of racially biased, anti-west and anti-european ethnic group slant and basically engaging in these 'discussions' with mind made up to slander them in any way possible. As a minority, this is painfully obvious the kind of childish attempts at deception they play.
Your civility, cranky4u, is only appreciated but unfortunately out of place in this type of 'debate'. They have no intention of debating - only trying to find different excuses to try and chip away/smear the other side because they already made up their minds to stand from a racially biased, and racist point of view.
Simply telling them they are being hypocritical and transparently biased with ulterior motive masquerading as 'argument' is more then enough to show anyone with half a brain exactly who is trying to be a bitch.
Interestingly, I do find civility or even Western based logic (steming from ancient Greece) to be often wasted on the debate about how Muslims treat others differently to how they in turn want to be treated. This point, do unto others as you would have them do to you, is the key principle I am trying to engage in.
For through that one statement one generally draws a conclusion that Muslim countries, and large proportions of practitioners, are intrinsicly discriminatory against any other religion including atheist. Yet they will not discuss the core question - Why should any non-Muslim country respect their right to practice their religion when they kill or imprison others for asking the same questions within countries of their religions origin (Muslim countries).
At the core of my concern is Islam gaining enough influence in any country so as to bring down the same religous cleansing there as they currently do in the vast majority of Islamic countries now. No law of state will stop them as they believe that Sharia law trumps all and what good is a legislative law when they rise up in arms and behead non-believers such as what happened in Britain only 2 years ago?
So back to my original question - Why should Muslims be protected in a country when they behead others in the majority Muslim countries? Seems double standards...
Their double standard and all their hypocrisy is nothing to be debated or justified, because that only gives manipulative rationale to their attitudes and actions. Racial attitude and racist bias drives these muslims and they deserve to be treated as such.
The only logical response is extermination.
The 'christians' of central africa had enough of muslim attitudes and began systematically paying them back 10 fold. As one of them said, 'muslims will be at peace when they learn some respect'.
This is the only knowledgeable way. Any other naive claptrap about trying to justify what they do or who they are is pathetic exercise in trying to hide behind 'logic' when in fact these piglets are trying to use that against other people.
It's obvious as hell what they are doing, especially to a minority like myself. People need to understand rational and logical society is a privilege when people are willing to actually discuss and abide by some common ground. It's not the end all be all, and just because someone seemingly makes a superficial 'rational' argument doesn't mean anything in terms of actually revealing their ulterior motives or dealing with them.
Remember what mongols did: Muslims dared act uppity and got impudent with them, and mongols virtually exterminated the middle east of that generation and impregnated their women with their seed. The mongrel remains that now compromise the middle east needs to be reminded of that lesson once again, this time by the whole world.
The ones trying to mess with the west or any one else by trying to do this amateur manipulating act needs to be raped, killed, and exterminated.
No other answer is rational. Rational doesn't mean taking the easy road or compromising what isn't even up for discussion. Any one who disrespects this is open season for other people.
