Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 120. (Read 221072 times)

Those two POVs says more about who says them then the subject.
The 1st version is of people who cares about society and freedom, the 2nd one (using your post order) is just saying like: I don't quite give a F for what they do within themselves as long as it doesn't affect me on any way.

Hmm.

Interesting question, to be sure. I'm chiming in because I'm interested, not because I hate Islam. I do. But I hate all other religious organizations too, so it's not so specific.

The "why" is that they are demonstrably false. There are certain tenets of all religions, such as do not murder, rape, steal or commit fraud, respect the rights and boundaries of your neighbor, things of that nature, that are of value. Of course these are the basis of all civil society, not merely religion, and they work. Religion and other non factual philosophies then add a lot of whys and wherefores and just plain bullshit on top of that stuff. Which has the effect of DECONSTRUCTING civil society, except for those who agree with you. In it's extreme ends, this leads to a lot of pointless violence. That's not aimed specifically at Islam, though your radicals do seem to want to catch up to Christianity's body count.

I do indeed hate that these religions, once mainstream, are given weight in public opinion and law equal or greater than that which can be proven. What you believe and practice personally, so long as it harms no one who didn't volunteer, doesn't concern me greatly. As with many factors in society, it does interest me. But I don't see personal beliefs as any sort of threat or my business. Only when organized and out for blood.

Didn't you READ what the prior poster said?

Muslims have gotten a bad name especially since 9/11  It's only the minority and not necessarily true for everyone. But think about it, their will always be the crazy radicals in any group of people

The difference between the above 2 points of view is vast.

Islamic states still execute homosexuals, stone women for adultery, treat a woman as an adulterer if she is not a virgin when wed, execute people for apostasy, have honor killings, female genital mutilation, ban women from driving, ban women from schooling.

Muslims have gotten a bad name especially since 9/11  It's only the minority and not necessarily true for everyone. But think about it, their will always be the crazy radicals in any group of people

No it doesn't... you are referring to this entry:


It appears the NT is there to not contradict the OT. The problem is: it does. In fact religions are filled up with contradictions, and the ones of the God of the Desert are an insult to any rational being on such grounds.
Adding injury to sorrow, the way the gospels were chosen... nobody could tell in I Century a.C. what will be or not in the OT or the NT.
The book of Revelations, or the Apocalypse, doesn't give any guidance or command of any sort, it's a sort of acid trip, describes a set of hallucinations where John describes how the end of the World will be.

I'm an Atheist btw.

roflol another one that didn't read the bible! xD
Really, read it. Even in the New Testament you have incitement to/justification of torture, murder, slavery, murder of the children of sinners, etc, etc. And if you go on to Revelations, even war, oppression of entire nations and genocide. : /

Beat me to it.  The New Testament is widely understood by Christians to take precedence over the Old Testament.

As BECemporium notes, Christianity is a renouncing of the methods of violence of the Old Testament, while Islam is an aggrandizement of that violence.

The Hadeeth are also Islamic books, not only the Quran. They set the example of the prophet. But you can find calls to violence at all of them.
About the Old Testament, no doubt, it's full of violence. But you have the New prevailing over that. And still the OT is common to Islam, Judaism and Christianity. None obviously talks about the Crusades, but Islam already talks about the Mujahedeen. It's the only one of the religions of the God of the desert with a set of holy warrioirs built-in.

It is simple : my freedom ends where that of the other... . Come on guys it is an easy sentence.

Crusades:

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Other verses that not only condone, but encourage violent behavior

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

    You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

    "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

     All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

    A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

    If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord."  When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.  (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

and about eighty thousand more

The quoted incident was from Denmark. Definitely a Western Country.

LOL WHAT???

If you said that to any person in the US, they would laugh you back to your mom's basement.

Islamic books as in plural? There is one. The Qur'an and yes I've read many passages.

Why would the bible have a passage about the Crusades? That doesn't make any sense.

Can you give examples of these passages that condone violence?

Not really accurate here. We're talking about things that actually happen. This wasn't me moving the goal posts. Musilms, even Muslims in Western Countries, believe that I should be killed for making fun of their religious figures. That ideal that I have to try to appease a particular group, or limit my freedom for a particular group or they will attempt to kill me is not an ideal that I take kindly too.

It is quite an overstatement to say the people hate Islam. It is the second fastest growing religion and I think it's true that more people believe in Islam now than ever before.  It's also incorrect to say it is violent, or peaceful. It is a superstitious idea that comes from a human mind and can be interpreted in many ways. Just as with Christianity and other religions people latch on to what they want to believe. If they are full of hate then they will find passages that back their beliefs. If the person is a pacifist they will point out the peaceful statements.

I have a mentality to think whatever I want , right ? I don't hate any type or religions the only thing  that I hate  is only the ignorant people  .

Have you ever read the bible? Especially the old testament? xD

Never the fault of the ones doing the crime. Always it's the supposed 'backers'.

Who the fuck are you to even talk about these things as if you were in the decision making circle? Maybe US works just the same as cubans did in angola, the chinese in cambodia, or indians in bangladesh and russians in chechnya and georgia: Working to ensure no one takes advantage of their interests on geopolitical stage.

No one ever mentions that vast majority of US allies found prosperity and stability within the last 80 years compared to all the other nations who literally fuck each other for crumbs.

Fucker

Did you ever read the Islamic books? So go read them before you say something like that.

Where in the Bible do you find the Crusades?! You are mistaken practice and doctrine. Christian practice may be violent, even if its doctrine ain't. Islam however is both, violent in doctrine and practice.

And to the note, many other religions condone and endorse violence. Islam is only the most reckless on doing it.