Why do people in USA fear socialism so much? - page 3.

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Quote from: Anon136 on May 28, 2013, 06:03:17 AM

Quote from: Hawker on May 28, 2013, 02:38:49 AM

It looks to me like the Soviets completed most of the 10. The US still has a long way to go. As long as you can legally buy an iPhone or an Android, the US is breaching 1, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.

or here is another way to interpret it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx1M9owfRt8 (skip to 2:50 if you want to get to the point)

Sorry don't waste time on videos. Everything important is put in writing.

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Quote from: Hawker on May 28, 2013, 02:38:49 AM

It looks to me like the Soviets completed most of the 10. The US still has a long way to go. As long as you can legally buy an iPhone or an Android, the US is breaching 1, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.

or here is another way to interpret it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx1M9owfRt8 (skip to 2:50 if you want to get to the point)

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Quote from: exonomica on May 27, 2013, 10:32:28 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on May 27, 2013, 09:29:32 PM

Quote from: exonomica on May 27, 2013, 05:50:13 PM

USA fear socialism because this term was used by USSR to oppose global domination of USD debt economy,
Lets pick developed capitalistic countries like USA, Japan, they highly dependent on resources from Russia, Latins, Mid East, Africa, because the living standards based on exchange of highly marginal goods And USD debts to low paid resources and low paid works.

socialism is a zero sum game, capitalism is not.

Soviet socialism is not the type of socialism what it had to be like. I'll say US with Obama administration is more socialistic then soviet economy. Still its not gonna last long, because debt collapse is very close.

Read Marx's 10 planks.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

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1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c,

It looks to me like the Soviets completed most of the 10. The US still has a long way to go. As long as you can legally buy an iPhone or an Android, the US is breaching 1, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.

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Quote from: exonomica on May 27, 2013, 10:32:28 PM

Soviet socialism is not the type of socialism what it had to be like. I'll say US with Obama administration is more socialistic then soviet economy. Still its not gonna last long, because debt collapse is very close.

I agree, the economy will collapse and anyone holding government money is going to be severely hurt.

If only there was another currency that would not be affected by such a collapse that we could move to.

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 27, 2013, 09:29:32 PM

Quote from: exonomica on May 27, 2013, 05:50:13 PM

USA fear socialism because this term was used by USSR to oppose global domination of USD debt economy,
Lets pick developed capitalistic countries like USA, Japan, they highly dependent on resources from Russia, Latins, Mid East, Africa, because the living standards based on exchange of highly marginal goods And USD debts to low paid resources and low paid works.

socialism is a zero sum game, capitalism is not.

Soviet socialism is not the type of socialism what it had to be like. I'll say US with Obama administration is more socialistic then soviet economy. Still its not gonna last long, because debt collapse is very close.

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no matter what people think, the fact is - global debt domination of fed debt system going to collapse. And there is no soviet treat anymore to save middle class from robbing by banksters (i think S&P500 crash is highly possible in near future).

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Oh I'm sorry, forgive us. We only just had the only country in the world that experienced 200 years of exponential prosperity and growth.
Forgive us if we choose to oppose an already proven; failed economic system.

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Quote from: exonomica on May 27, 2013, 05:50:13 PM

USA fear socialism because this term was used by USSR to oppose global domination of USD debt economy,
Lets pick developed capitalistic countries like USA, Japan, they highly dependent on resources from Russia, Latins, Mid East, Africa, because the living standards based on exchange of highly marginal goods And USD debts to low paid resources and low paid works.

socialism is a zero sum game, capitalism is not.

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USA fear socialism because this term was used by USSR to oppose global domination of USD debt economy,
Lets pick developed capitalistic countries like USA, Japan, they highly dependent on resources from Russia, Latins, Mid East, Africa, because the living standards based on exchange of highly marginal goods And USD debts to low paid resources and low paid works.

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In reality people in the USA support socialism. They just do not know that that is the word for what they like (and continue to vote for).

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Now they are thinking what to do with me

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on April 20, 2013, 08:15:48 PM

Fair 'nuff. I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.

Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

Nono. Anger is a sign you're coming over the Dark Side! Goob job Mykrul, you will convert this one, his will is weak!

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Quote from: Hawker on May 25, 2013, 04:24:06 PM

Finshaggy is necro-ing.

I wonder how many times this thread have been necroed... Atleast twice, probably more...

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Quote from: Hawker on May 25, 2013, 04:24:06 PM

Finshaggy is necro-ing.

To discuss creating a robo socialist town. It's completely on topic, if you don't want to discuss then ignore it.

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Finshaggy is necro-ing.

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I can't believe this thread is still going on...

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Working on Starting a Bitcoin town here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-town-lets-make-the-future-come-to-us-216139

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Quote from: myrkul on April 20, 2013, 08:54:58 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on April 20, 2013, 08:37:01 PM

Quote from: myrkul on April 20, 2013, 08:25:39 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on April 20, 2013, 08:15:48 PM

Fair 'nuff. I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.

Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

You do have a point. I do often show some degree of hostility to those that I consider to be espousing positions that may be a threat to my freedom, and that is my demon to wrestle with. I do try not to make ad-hominem attacks, or use foul language, but I also believe very strongly in freedom, as an AnCap guy.

As you may have guessed, I'm an AnCap as well, and I believe just as strongly in freedom as do you. If you can remain civil, I promise to, too. Wink

Excellent. I look forward to discussing things with you. Even though we may not agree on many things, a discussion of nuance and real-world application is often eye-opening.

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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on April 20, 2013, 08:37:01 PM

Quote from: myrkul on April 20, 2013, 08:25:39 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on April 20, 2013, 08:15:48 PM

Fair 'nuff. I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.

Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

You do have a point. I do often show some degree of hostility to those that I consider to be espousing positions that may be a threat to my freedom, and that is my demon to wrestle with. I do try not to make ad-hominem attacks, or use foul language, but I also believe very strongly in freedom, as an AnCap guy.

As you may have guessed, I'm an AnCap as well, and I believe just as strongly in freedom as do you. If you can remain civil, I promise to, too. Wink

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Quote from: myrkul on April 20, 2013, 08:25:39 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on April 20, 2013, 08:15:48 PM

Fair 'nuff. I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.

Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

You do have a point. I do often show some degree of hostility to those that I consider to be espousing positions that may be a threat to my freedom, and that is my demon to wrestle with. I do try not to make ad-hominem attacks, or use foul language, but I also believe very strongly in freedom, as an AnCap guy.

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on April 20, 2013, 08:15:48 PM

Fair 'nuff. I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.

Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

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