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Topic: Why do people in USA fear socialism so much? - page 8. (Read 34871 times)

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Many US folks are brainwashed into buying the notion that a good affordable health care system like in many parts of Europe MUST be socialism. Once people stopped thinking to such an alarming level, anything is possible.

If you stop thinking for yourself as indeed many US citizens have, you even fear a fictional monster in a closet or a communist under your bed, who does not exist.

Did you just suggest people stop thinking for themselves as a solution to a perceived problem?
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Many US folks are brainwashed into buying the notion that a good affordable health care system like in many parts of Europe MUST be socialism. Once people stopped thinking to such an alarming level, anything is possible.

Tell me about a country in Europe that has the affordable healthcare:

With lower taxes than in USA
With higher illegal immigrant population?

Oh wait.
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Many US folks are brainwashed into buying the notion that a good affordable health care system like in many parts of Europe MUST be socialism. Once people stopped thinking to such an alarming level, anything is possible.

If you stop thinking for yourself as indeed many US citizens have, you even fear a fictional monster in a closet or a communist under your bed, who does not exist.
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jews and zionists overlap quite a bit.

So they do, as do African-Americans and basketball players. But one does not speak of the "blacks" when you're talking about basketball players.
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I like antibanker. good man. truthful about zionists.
'cept he had this horrible habit of calling them "Jews."

Try to avoid that.
legendary
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Lol if you're not mai77/antibanker, you're of his blood Wink
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Jewnited Americunts  Cheesy
Sigh. You were doing so well.
legendary
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What about this: if the state collapsed, would we still call it the United States of America?  Would it then simply be United America, or just America?
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Too much state and stateists in Wash.DC
Or Tehran, for that matter.
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Plain and simple anwser, it is against the very reason the united states of America was founded in the first place.
legendary
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what would Obama do without the state? shine shoes?

That'd be a little more useful than what he's doing now.
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I hear - though - that even capitalists do want to do without the state. It's supposed to do the state-sponsored-killing, central banking and such.
You seem to be somewhat misinformed about capitalism.

I'd give you a wiki link, but I don't want to get you fired.

Bet you could look it up at home, though. Just use Tor, so they can't track your useage.
legendary
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The concept that Socialism is the extreme left and Fascism is the extreme right on the political spectrum is ridiculous. They're both forms of collectivism.

Well what make fascism right is racism.

Communism/Socialism (much less) is basically statism.
Fascism is like statism with extreme racism.



So you have benevolent statism and then you ahve the total state Tongue
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The concept that Socialism is the extreme left and Fascism is the extreme right on the political spectrum is ridiculous. They're both forms of collectivism.

Well what make fascism right is racism.

Communism/Socialism (much less) is basically statism.
Fascism is like statism with extreme racism.

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simple: because of their brainwashing.
It is a rather stupid thing to fear, isn't it? Pity, I think, would be a more appropriate emotion.
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For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.


To add to that, most taxes actually are going to military (a 500+ billion dollar army doesn't come from nowhere), a huge chunk of it goes to social security and welfare, a lot more goes to paying national interest on its debts (lol.)  And then there's the wages of every government employee.  I know I didn't sign up to have all my cash siphoned into the war; so why be for or against warfare?  The gov's got a mind of its own, anyway.  Statism has shown for thousands of years what good it does.  It's just a matter of when, for the individual, they realize the source of all the world's problems; it's because a tiny portion of people rule the world, and they're always competing for complete control.

For a reason I still don't get why the hell goverment pays interest for debt... When it's loaned by FED for free... Must be some very special kind of socialism...

Correct. This special kind of socialism is called Fascism. Masquerading as socialists promotes debates such as this one.

Na·zi  (näts, nt-)
n. pl. Na·zis

1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.
adj.
Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Nazi

The concept that Socialism is the extreme left and Fascism is the extreme right on the political spectrum is ridiculous. They're both forms of collectivism.
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For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.


To add to that, most taxes actually are going to military (a 500+ billion dollar army doesn't come from nowhere), a huge chunk of it goes to social security and welfare, a lot more goes to paying national interest on its debts (lol.)  And then there's the wages of every government employee.  I know I didn't sign up to have all my cash siphoned into the war; so why be for or against warfare?  The gov's got a mind of its own, anyway.  Statism has shown for thousands of years what good it does.  It's just a matter of when, for the individual, they realize the source of all the world's problems; it's because a tiny portion of people rule the world, and they're always competing for complete control.

For a reason I still don't get why the hell goverment pays interest for debt... When it's loaned by FED for free... Must be some very special kind of socialism...
It's not loaned for free. That's the point. The FED is no more a government body than is FedEx.
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For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.


To add to that, most taxes actually are going to military (a 500+ billion dollar army doesn't come from nowhere), a huge chunk of it goes to social security and welfare, a lot more goes to paying national interest on its debts (lol.)  And then there's the wages of every government employee.  I know I didn't sign up to have all my cash siphoned into the war; so why be for or against warfare?  The gov's got a mind of its own, anyway.  Statism has shown for thousands of years what good it does.  It's just a matter of when, for the individual, they realize the source of all the world's problems; it's because a tiny portion of people rule the world, and they're always competing for complete control.

For a reason I still don't get why the hell goverment pays interest for debt... When it's loaned by FED for free... Must be some very special kind of socialism...
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1003
For some reason, you are assuming that in order to obtain education you have to be pro-socialistic. I am not sure why you think that way... All the education, that really matters I obtained on my own, mind you I paid BIG bucks for it. The socialistic piece of this is just getting a diploma regardless of what the heck it is worth. Of course, I am against this. How many public school students actually know anything worthwhile?

American socialism is this... You are in the middle-upper to upper class - you bust your ass and then you pay extra taxes to take care of the rest "who does not work". Yes, a chunk of that money goes to army/road building but a lot of it does not. Now, I do not have a problem with charity but I like to do it by my own consent not by decision of some politicians who cut my check arbitrarily from my standpoint.


To add to that, most taxes actually are going to military (a 500+ billion dollar army doesn't come from nowhere), a huge chunk of it goes to social security and welfare, a lot more goes to paying national interest on its debts (lol.)  And then there's the wages of every government employee.  I know I didn't sign up to have all my cash siphoned into the war; so why be for or against warfare?  The gov's got a mind of its own, anyway.  Statism has shown for thousands of years what good it does.  It's just a matter of when, for the individual, they realize the source of all the world's problems; it's because a tiny portion of people rule the world, and they're always competing for complete control.
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yeah man, fuck the rest! should properly stop now, before my drunk brain embarres me anymore.

I'll be back!

Probably a good idea. In the meantime, think how you might get a stoner to produce for the community instead of sitting on his ass all day smoking and eating.
Here's a hint.
They can be Philosophers, and create some new philosophic views called dankism.
Good idea! Then they can encourage MORE people to become navel-gazing eaters.
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