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legendary
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So: The Israeli government cannot possibly legitimze itself on territories which were not granted by the United Nations ?

Please be clear in your answer. Thank you, Sir.


I don't think they're legitimate period.  You don't declare land as yours and then expect everyone to agree with you.  Law is just a lie, the word of God, to make your actions appear appropriate.  Law or no law, it's all a mind game.  If Israel wants land, it's because it wants to expand and become more powerful.  They can pretend to be civilized, but it's the same shit that's been happening for thousands of years.

This is a chicken-and-egg problem. chickens exist, governments are legal.

On the contrary, eggs exist, governments are legal.  Chickens came first, and so did anarchy.
newbie
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It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.
This is a chicken-and-egg problem. chickens exist, governments are legal.

B S
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.
This is a chicken-and-egg problem. chickens exist, governments are legal.
Because they write the laws.

Tautology. Look it up.
legendary
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You are WRONG!
It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.
This is a chicken-and-egg problem. chickens exist, governments are legal.
newbie
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your def, your def...

we are talking international law, dude!
hero member
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It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.
Well, by my definition, they are. But that's beside the point. The point here is, that these people were tasked with a specific job. They decided that job was too hard, and did another one instead. In essence, they committed a coup against the legitimate government under the articles of confederation.
newbie
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It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.

So: The Israeli government cannot possibly legitimze itself on territories which were not granted by the United Nations ?

Please be clear in your answer. Thank you, Sir.
legendary
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You are WRONG!
well, Adolf Hitler was illegal for sure, no?
no, he was elected.
legendary
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It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.
newbie
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well, Adolf Hitler was illegal for sure, no?
legendary
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It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.
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it means:

Obama is legally an unemployed person eligible for FOOD STAMPS !!
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a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

Just like they could define "good service" as kicking you in the ass on your way out the door, giving you nothing, and you couldn't complain, because they set the rules defining good service.
newbie
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wow.

This means...   thinking it through...



W O W !  Lips sealed
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I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.
explain!? i smell bullshit, a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

one government can call another government illegal, but that does not count.

When they decided the confederacy wasn't working out (as I've come to understand, this is as close to anarchism as has ever been attained in America,) they convened in Philadelphia to make some amendments.  When they couldn't find a unanimous vote, they decided the system would never work out.  These people only had permission from the general public to convene to change the articles of confederation, and were not given permission to throw their government away and invent a completely new one without anyone else's consent.  Thus, the constitution was born, and it was illegal for it to exist.  It still is.
Some interesting reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Treason
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html
legendary
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I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.
explain!? i smell bullshit, a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

one government can call another government illegal, but that does not count.

When they decided the confederacy wasn't working out (as I've come to understand, this is as close to anarchism as has ever been attained in America,) they convened in Philadelphia to make some amendments.  When they couldn't find a unanimous vote, they decided the system would never work out.  These people only had permission from the general public to convene to change the articles of confederation, and were not given permission to throw their government away and invent a completely new one without anyone else's consent.  Thus, the constitution was born, and it was illegal for it to exist.  It still is.
newbie
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I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.
explain!? i smell bullshit, a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

one government can call another government illegal, but that does not count.

I beg to differ.

Point in case: The State Of Palestine   vs.   The State Of Israel

very murky legal case...    Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
legendary
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You are WRONG!
I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.
explain!? i smell bullshit, a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

one government can call another government illegal, but that does not count.
newbie
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some say: Federal income tax is illegal too. But I'm less sure in that tax case. Please elaborate...   Smiley Smiley Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1003
I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.
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