Topic: Why do people think income tax is ok? (Read 17853 times)

I'm also thinks so. But any state needs taxes. You need taxes in order to get police working. And many other goverment services and organizations also. Do you have a way to make it work without taxes?

The populace is stupid.  Those wealthy few write the rules such that whatever taxes they do pay is countered by political favoritism that more than pays for itself.

Now you are talking a protection racket.

Tax is okay. Its the people who hold them are not cool.

You see the definition of right and wrong is highly relative. Tax isn't a gift bestowed upon mankind or an evil or a form of slavery as you aptly suggest. It's somewhere in between, things involving the welfare of humankind brings about a lot of grey areas. It's not black or white or right and wrong. There's a lot of grey.
About defining a community, the world is vast. And a community is defined as a small population sharing something in common. Since there are millions of people, it's impossible for all of humanity to have a similar outlook on everything and here comes the role of community heads or governments. All, I'm trying to say is, think of it as the cost of being able to live harmoniously with people around you.

i dont like the tax system. but its somehow a help for the government when used properly. they finance many educational sectors with the tax but they also finance wars and warfares which are unnecessary. if everybody stopped paying tax, the money would not cycle properly. BUT if there were no tax, people would be more at ease in their spending

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That depends, what kind of chocolate did you have in mind? And how much of it? And can't we split the chocolate and the drugs and be buddies? 

Taxation is theft no matter what, If I stole a $10 bill from your wallet and used half to buy you a chocolate bar and the other half to buy drugs, does it make it ok?

Just as a picture...

All the things we need and use cost $$$.

Government collects $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and more in taxes.

Then government pays $$$ for all the things we need and use.

The people of Government stick the rest in their pockets.

We don't need government. They WANT us, to farm us, and rape and plunder us.

I don't think you even need to have a Government for your country as you are enough to run a country with your own knowledge. You pretend to be not using roads, not going to a school, not eating food, not making use of any services that the Government provides you with in return of the taxes you pay.

The taxes may be much more than you can afford but they aren't unnecessary. They all help in the development of a country while if everyone starts thinking like you, all countries would be without schools/colleges/buildings/proper roads/water supplies and I guess you would love that life then. I don't think you have never used any service that you have paid taxes for.

That's right.
But, how does one become part of a community?
How close do you have to live to another person to become part of a community with him?
If a group of people form a community, how close do you have to live to them before you become part of their community?
If the people say that anyone living within x miles of a certain point are part of their community, what gives them the right?
If people say that they are going to tax all people living inside certain borders, what gives them the right?

Somebody said might makes right. Might might make what exists, but why does it make it right?

If someone is tricked into signing a compact to pay taxes, especially when he doesn't realize that he signed such, or what it is he signed, is that right?
So, what are the terms of the community?

Community stuff, and taxation stuff, is simply people stating what will be done to other people (and maybe themselves so that things look good). That is a form of slavery.

Show exactly where the tax money of any individual person went, and the receipt for the exact benefit any individual received for the money he paid in taxes. You can't. It was pooled. And the funds went to pay for all kinds of stuff that any particular individual would say is wrong, all because somebody else decided that he had to pay taxes, and decided the way they were to be spent. That is a form of slavery.

I think, being part of a community puts certain responsibilities on the 'participants' of the community, and since we as a members of a society have repeatedly failed to think beyond our personal propaganda you have to be 'taxed' to maintain your ecosystem.
Thoughts?

Other peoples kids go to school, so when you are older they can take care of you in hospitals, take your order in the drive thru or any other job these young kids get nowadays

The road is used by other people, to go to work, to deliver packages, to get a lot of stuff you need from point A to point B.

you do not actively use the road, but the road is used for you. You do not have children who need education, but you profit from the education of other peoples children.

Corporations derive their money from sales to individuals and other companies. Taxation of corporate profits would simply be passed on, ultimately, to the people. It is a hidden tax.

The only two reasons for taxation of the individual (at least in the U.S.) are:
1. To keep the people helpless;
2: As a measurement of the amount of money the government can borrow from the Federal Reserve Bank.

Rather than paying taxes, drop the tax completely. For example. Texas and several other States require no income tax. Rather, the State gets theirs from sales tax.

If Texas would only make the people who received the benefits to be the ones who paid for the benefits, rather than making everyone join in and pay, things might be more equitable. For example. Why should I pay taxes that help pay other kids way through public school? I get nothing for it if I don't have kids.

Consider roads. Make the people who use the roads pay a toll. Stop making us all pay for roads when we don't use most of them.

Let's get government out of everything except advising. Let's do everything on the private side, because government merely dips their hand into the pie and takes some of it out for themselves. We still have to pay the contractors who build all the whatever anyway.

In addition, if business ran as efficiently as government... well, you don't hear about those businesses, because they failed long ago.

Good point. I was more thinking of those who responded with an argument against all taxation. But as you point out, there are other ways/things to tax. I'm with you on that subject. It is wrong the way we tax working people at a much higher rate that those who profit from the work. I like the idea of taxing us on what we spend.

I see a lot of people denounce taxation as evil. But you know what I never see? A denunciation of benefits derived from taxation. Let's see a commitment to leaving the evil United States for the freedom of Somalia. Or only drive on private roads, collect no benefits, put your own hose fires out, and forget about calling the cops when your robbed.

Americans live in the most prosperous society in history and enjoy the safest times in all human history. Of course many will think this is wrong, but that is because these things are relative. Never have you had the opportunity to live to an old age, free of war and starvation, able to say what you want. This is as good as it gets and it is taxes that pay for it.

I'm not saying I agree with all the money goes, or that things are getting better. But befor we decide that taxes are a problem you will need to show me where the billions of dollars that support us are going to come from.

Tax is good in combination with a non-debt banking system. The problem is debt, not the tax.

I have talked to many common, everyday people who think that the income tax is somewhat okay. They don't think it is perfect. But they think that it is necessary to keep the country going. And they may be right in some limited ways.

These people don't understand that over 99% of the things that government does for us can be done better through simple purchase of the service by those who want it... rather than having government supply the service at the point of an income tax collection gun.

Almost nobody realizes that the income tax exists only as a measurement of how much the government can influence ignorant people to keep on paying the tax, because if they didn't pay, the banking system would foreclose on the government. And who knows what would happen then, if anything.

Far fewer people than even this realize that, because the government was able to set a banking system in place that would operate like this, that the whole system of government in its entirety is fraudulent. There really isn't any government. There are only people who think that there is. And because they think that there is, they enforce something that exists only in their imaginations.

Yes, you are right. We all prey on each other, even simpleton on simpleton at times.