Topic: Why do people think income tax is ok? - page 6. (Read 17853 times)

You know VAT and sales taxes are regressive right? They are disproportionately levied on people with low incomes, though I guess that suits you just fine.


This is an abhorrent point of view. You prefer to defend the right of the wealthy to hold on to their property than the right of poor people not to starve or die from illness, even though that wealth is usually obtained by exploiting their labour.

The only thing you leave out of the equation is the value of life.
If we can't corporate as a species in smaller communities we're
further down on the evolutionary scale than a pack of wolves.

If all stupidity resulted in a government fine... we'd all be infinitely worse off than letting Darwinism take its natural course.

Because we finance the goverment that way, the goverment pays for teachers,doctors,roads..

It is a way we live, the only way we could remove it is if we had individual taxes for teachers,doctors,politicans and extra taxes which would be discussed if someone suggested to buld something

Not me sir - I wear a seatbelt to protect myself.

And if ever one of my children (when they are old enough) are caught driving without a seatbelt I will be hoping and very much expecting that they receive a fine for their stupidity.

Who think that? I dont think like that...
Present taxes are a robbery. Present taxes must be abolished. You have heard the "White Berets" repeat these two sentences many a time. You might believe that they are but pure propaganda slogans used to strike the imagination!

A businessman who stopped by the "Michael" Office, told us as he left our house: "I am very happy with my visit here. I learnt something that I did not know : that the present taxes are truly a robbery, that they must disappear and can disappear. I did believe that your posters only expressed a slogan. But I now see that it is a truth established on solid arguments."

A young student of the University of Ottawa attended one of our meetings. He declared that he was delighted to finally understand how public works could be financed without taxes by a provincial credit system, and how the withdrawal and issuing of money would be done by a Social Credit financial system.

Present taxes are a robbery. We will repeat this with conviction and obstinacy until they are abolished. For they are the ruin of our families and of society.

The income tax, with its intolerable reports, is a nightmare for all. The property tax and school taxes that constantly increase, that chase the families from their homes, snatch farms and enterprises from the hands of those who built them; the school taxes of the small towns have already chased towards the cities the heirs of the country's founders.

I'd argue that the people who advocate pointing guns at adults in order to force them to wear seatbelts (among other petty tyrannies) are the ones who need to grow up and join civilized society.

That these people can't see how wrong such things are also speaks volumes about how thoroughly modern society has indoctrinated this last generation of youth, to the point where things that would have been seen as unconscionable just when I was a child (hint: not the 18th century) are now defended like it's the Perfect Will of God (tm).

In Africa, I've seen children aged 10 working 12 hours a day. They have no parents (they're dead), no laws and no state to protect them, so the only choice they have is between working or dying. Welcome to my world, which is actually better than most of what Europeans know because it makes more responsible adults. That's the real drama in developed countries: all the tax money is now used to shape people's minds. The governement is responsible for everything, and people are only doing what it says. Drivers fasten their seat belts not to protect them, but to avoid getting a fine.

Now let's guess what will happen when the government crashes down? Greece is leading, and we'll see other countries follow its path. Men will be freed, but those who have never experienced freedom will be lost.

Because people are weak, fearful, uncertain and doubtful - without the skills we once had for survival. Basic skills like the ability to walk into the wilderness with a pocket knife and not only survive, but thrive. We have been conditioned to require tax based safety nets. We have been conditioned to believe we cannot survive without government and taxation. The overwhelming vast majority of the taxed believe their taxes keep them safer and allow them better jobs, living conditions and lives in general. The key is to keep us ignorant of reality, divided and fearful.

You sir are living in a bubble. I hope it get's bursted in time for your 15th birthday.
"A world for men and not for sheep". How bout the laws to protect children, who evidently are not 'grown men' yet?
You seem to have some ridiculous freedom obsession, to a degree where you feel robbed of your freedom if you have to use your seatbelt? Grow up.

funny...using all the infrastructure and the environment thats built upon taxes to make a quick buck, and then cry about it...this is the entitlement-generation

I'd love this. No more armies, no more NSA to spy on everything we say and write, no obligation to wear a seat belt if you drive or a helmet if you ride... Freedom. A more dangerous world for sure, but a world for men and not sheep. A world for responsible men and women, and not for puppet citizens sometimes asked to choose between established leaders.

You're damn right I do. Learn the difference between positive and negative rights, and you might understand.

I also want the poor to have good healthcare and education. Get that? Socialists seem to think that compassion is dependent on coercion.

Here is an example that income tax doesn't work:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/81979/there-has-been-a-record-221-spike-in-americans-renouncing-their-citizenship-here-s-why

1. Tax exemption for first x amount of purchases based on category, would require tech big deal
2. Create purchase categories like perishables, essentials (clothing), semi durable (fridge), durable (car), stocks, real estate. Each with its own yearly tax exemption for different amounts.
3. for semi durable, durable and real estate, use a graduated tax scale. Million dollar homes are taxed at escalating higher rates as price of home increases.

There would be no problems at all generating enough revenue from this model to pay for EVERYTHING easily. Guess what.... poor pay little, rich will pay a lot and will always pay a lot because what is the point of being rich if you can't spend it.

Live on what? And where?

So the wealthy exploit labour until all the labourers die? It's not a zero-sum game. People have to be kept alive for you to continue violating their human rights. If the government stopped feeding the walking dead, we'd be forced to exercise our rights and LIVE, and the wealthy wouldn't be as so, anymore.

Zombie labour?

Without taxes city and country will not stay alieve in this case.

But to make them lower - why not ( and put highr price on something else:P )

The notion that a tax is inherently regressive or progressive is a big distorted lie to keep existing systems in power. There is absolutely nothing about any tax that is set in stone, there is no Bible of taxation about how VAT or sales taxes are implemented.

Quit supporting the powers that be by choosing to believe in these lies. Tax credits, Tax-free products, progressive percentages, on and on, the options are endless to provide protections for the poor.

So please stop aiding and abetting the enemy.