Topic: Why do people think income tax is ok? - page 5. (Read 17879 times)

Don't vote for them then.


Read the rest of the thread. We've had this argument several times and it goes nowhere, but I'll save you the time: They just say people will gather around to make their own charity co-ops and everything will be rosy cos there's no big bad governments and everybody gets to choose what they spend their money on  .

you don't quite understand..

we need income tax because we can't get organised and gather the money to build anything, how would be build schools,hospitals,pools, football fields, anything,anything
who would build roads, stop lights, signs, policeman?
there would be robbery everyhwere without income taxes

Yes it is true.

But this is what we call democracy
Anyway - whoever will win, things are not gonna crush or change to much better just like that.

And income tax is perhaps needed ... they need to earn money somehow they suffer money issues so perhaps without it ... would be to hard for them.

so you have a 100 000 0000$ for every month until you die to pay teachers,doctors,soldiers etc.?

So it's not free after all.

With this thing called money, and my hands. I guess you haven't heard of them.

I know the difference, and I don't recognise that it holds any significance. For me, the right of people to a very basic minimum quality of life will always matter more than the right of wealthier people to luxury.

Of course I don't think that you want the poor to suffer, you just don't think it's any of your business. I don't doubt that you believe "if only we stopped taxing people then everyone would spend all their extra money on charity and schools and hospitals would get much more money", but you are living in a fantasy.

how would you pay teachers,doctors,road workers, train workers etc.?

Why is income tax immoral? Is it simply because you perceive it that way and hence it is... Or is there an underlying argument that I am missing. Income tax is necessary in quite a lot of countries ie Australia which relies upon it for over 50% of its revenue which without it the government would have significantly less ability to fund projects, education, healthcare etc. So I don't see how it is unnecessary unless your thinking that a government should just instead print money to suffice its needs and in turn cause inflationary pressures.

Indeed, as it's only who counts the votes that matters.

The endless debate.

Most of the time people don't have any argument. You just say that the other is stupid.

I don't like paying income tax but in my country (France), education and healthcare are free. This is priceless.

On the other hand you Americans are paying taxes for nothing. You get fucked by your government and most of you agree with it. Priceless.

Disagree.

How the funds are used isn't the issue. The fact remains that an income tax is immoral, destructive, and unnecessary, and should be abolished.

Agree ! It's better not to dispute if income tax is good or bad it's better to think about how the government use this budget income and carry the bag!

  I was referring to the ones that haven't died yet, but we'll leave it ambiguous.

I don't mind. I mind more on how the money is wasted.

Your definition of cooperation is so loose, it becomes impossible to see why slavery is no longer practiced--after all, the slaves and the slave-owners were cooperating, so it can't have been a big deal, right?  If the only difference between a slave and a citizen to you is whether they get struck by their owner on a regular basis, then it comes as no surprise why you accept and advocate the use of violence against your fellow man in the name of "cooperation" and attack anyone who dares ask that you stop.

Furthermore: why is it that only a man with the mentality of a child will demand that others "grow up"?  There's an extremely unusual phenomenon among much of society in which every negative quality the individual owns is projected onto others who clearly do not have them, thus allowing the individual to feel as though his traits are not negative, but normal; this concept even fits with an individual's belief systems, i.e. "Anarchy is chaos and the state is order," when clearly the opposite is true, as the individual cannot accept that his own beliefs are causing chaos in the world; anyone who asserts warfare and democide is justice and order needs to get out of his bubble, as there has never been so much chaos amongst human beings as with the state--lo and behold, you assert this exact same notion to someone else, but unlike me, without any reasoning or evidence as to why, ergo: the only other place you can get these baseless assertions from is within.

You have a propensity to lecture others on your beliefs due to your fatherhood, which has worked well on your children assuming you've stopped them from questioning anything you don't agree with, but works horrendously on anyone you have no power over, i.e. people who don't share your biases.  If you're not here to learn and grow, you're wasting your time: argument is not about winning, which is why you never will.

My my, aren't you precious.


I was naturally referring to sales taxes as they currently exist, and would be interested to hear your proposal for a progressively administered sales tax. Even so, how on earth would it compensate for the lack of all income and property taxes without being something like a 500% tax rate?

No, in most countries, income tax doesn't pay for doctors or roads. There are payroll taxes and fuel taxes for this. Income tax pays for the army, for spying on the global population, financing subsidies to the big oil companies, the best restaurants for officials, etc...

Good, but not everybody's like you. I wish countries which impose fines on drivers who don't wear their seat belts stop doing that. It would be highly educative for the population to see more people dying.

The key word there being cooperate, which is the opposite of forcing those who disagree through threats and coercion.

Somehow Western society seems to have gotten it into their heads that "cooperate" really just means "obey every dictate of public servants."