Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 23. (Read 89184 times)

Russell's Teapot. The burden of proof sits with the person making unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others.
It's not up to us atheists to disprove the existence of God.

The false and dishonest minority partner ready to take everything. But that is worth nothing. You trust in satan?

god not does post because is a forbidden work in the rules of bitcointalk.

Could you please stop trying to turn yourself into god by suggesting that He doesn't exist? You absolutely know that you don't know that He doesn't exist. You haven't checked enough of the universe to be sure that He doesn't exist somewhere that you haven't checked yet.

On top of that, the universe is a big machine. Machines have makers. You know God exists. Stop lying.

The basic answer is that there aren't any innocents.

The second answer is that God is the owner.

The third answer is, Satan opposes God and people follow Satan rather than God.

You continue to sound like you want to remain in ignorance, even though it will destroy you.

Is there an established Christian answer to why God is such a vicious murderer of innocents?

Deuteronomy 20:13  If a city doesn't accept Israel’s offer of peace and open up its gates, then "when the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it" , and
Deuteronomy 20:16 "Do not leave anything that breathes."

Kill everything! Kill it all, anything that breathes! Kill the bees, those little buzzing bastards didn't surrender unto Israel! Kill the newborn babies! Kill unborn babies in the mother's womb! Death to everything for I am God!

Joshua 6:21 After knocking down the walls of Jericho, the Israelites "destroyed with the sword every living thing in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, and donkeys"

God is pure evil. Take over that city and kill everyone. Kill the animals. Kill the children. FFS.

Mark 12:28 One of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Kind of sounds like Mark is just making stuff up. Doesn't sound like the killer God from earlier. Unless God is an amnesiac as well as a psychopath.

Well, it's kinda like you acknowledging what other people call gravity.

What are you even talking about?

Never mind. You like gravity so much that you wouldn't even understand your own answer to my question.

FTFY

@BADecker I think the real question is why are you such a sadist?

Cause and effect show that God knows these things.

When a person comes to know God, it is God holding that faith and trust in place.

The Spirit of God is trying to make God known to all people. Those who resist are the strong-willed people. Many weak-willed people are the ones who are affected by God enough to believe in Him. God does it. God holds the trust place in the people who trust in Him.

From what you write you trust, and your god is the non god. you think you're the god of yourself, but what's the use? can you win against death? Can you know how the weather will be to an year? can you know what time is the end of the world? and how many stars are there in the sky? The peace on earth and the end of the wars? Well, if the answer is no, then you should start looking for God.

You know, God is probably asking that same question. Why don't people worship him?

Consider. Worshipping God is a thing that He demands. But worship isn't something that He needs. Since He doesn't need it, why does He demand it? He demands it because, what we are makes God-worship a requirement. If we don't worship, we will be destroyed... not because God needs it, but because we need it.

Why do we need the worshipping of God? For our salvation. We sinned in our first parents, and lost the perfect image of God. Because of this, our destruction is naturally imminent, except that God through Jesus payed the ultimate price to save us. We still have freedom to reject, like our first parents. But we have the chance to be made alive again, but it's only through God.

If you lose an arm or a leg and can grow it back again, maybe you don't need God. Maybe you can keep yourself alive forever. But if you can't, your death is imminent, and there is only one thing that can save you... God. What's more, even if you find the right drugs and nutrients to stimulate yourself into never dying, you will never be strong enough to stop the coming destruction of the universe, and you will be destroyed in that.

It's like a painting. Imagine that you find a work of art that touches your soul when you see it. It is so good (for you at least) that it resonates with your soul. You can't help it that your eyes light up, and that you feel the resonation, and that you proclaim the beauty, and maybe you even praise its creator. It just happens. You aren't trying to be affected. You simply are.

It's the same kind of thing with worshipping God... except for the little detail that worshipping God is the thing that keeps your whole life alive forever.

But God made atheists like me too, right? He made people like me who wouldn't worship him even if he's proven to exist. If we are God's children then why would he demand that we worship him? If a person made their kids worship them, they'd have their kids taken into care.

If you have faith in Jesus salvation, all your bad acts are forgiven, and all your good acts are recognized by god to be good.

If you don't have Jesus-salvation faith, God doesn't recognize any of your acts as good.

But in the resurrection you will worship God. You will do it automatically, because you will be shown how great He is Who gives you all you have, and makes it work together so well for you, even in the face of your making of intentional mistakes, and in the face of you being against Someone Who is as GREAT as God is.

I'm grabbing my post from another thread because I think it's relevant here. It may be the same people on these threads, but it's still a question that I don't think has been answered yet:

It's impossible to perform a morally good act if you're religious.
An atheist can perform an act of kindness without any expectation of reward.
A Christian knows that if they perform a good act, it gets them a step closer to heaven. If there is a guaranteed reward for being good, how can you separate goodness from self-interest?

Even if God was proven to exist, I wouldn't worship him.

Man was made in the image of God. God completed the God-image in man when He breathed the breath of God's own life into him. Then man used the God-strength that God breathed into him, to tarnish the God-image in himself.

We know God deep down within our selves. But we don't know Him on the outside. That's why there are people who think that they are atheists. Expressing God in His entirety in the English language is impossible for mankind to do. It might not have been before they tarnished their image.

But there is a puzzling question. It has to do with what you are yammering about this stuff for.

No, your image shows Dave from Accounts, I know him, he's 1 foot 4 high, that's a normal-sized book. Fake news.

That's kind of my point though. Plenty of things that were ascribed to God in the past are now explained by science. God is fading.
I do understand that religion is based on faith rather than evidence, so no amount of science can disprove God. It can however suggest, as the evidence mounts, that the probability of God's existence is perhaps less than previously thought.

@BADecker,

   Man (~15 feet tall with a ~1000 year lifespan) is made in God's image, from the KJV we know that much. Humans are made in man's image with a reduced life span (~130 years) and reduced height (~6 feet).

Clearly you've never read the KJV, you just quote the passages without any kind of reflection. To say we can't know God when we're God's creation is a bit ignorant wouldn't you say?





Bonus link:

https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/07/09/just-some-300-year-old-giant-books/
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The historical narrative taught in school and seen on TV and movies is a hoax, there were giants not too long ago.

The various gods of the nations aren't always the same. And few of them reflect what God would have to be to create the universe.

God, being the universe Creator, is outside the universe before creating it. Just because He entered the universe in part (like when you build a garage, sometimes you are in it and sometimes without), doesn't mean He actually is part of it in God-essence.

Science might point to God. But science will never answer what He is. Science is too weak, and will always be too weak for that. Revelation from God will sho0w what science can't, but even then, it will barely be understood.

I still don't think my point about God shrinking has been answered.
To recap: God used to be everything.
Later there was a bit of science, which explained how simple things worked. But complex stuff like the Sun and the Moon was God.
Then Sun and Moon were explained by science, and so on.
Each advance of science diminishes God that little bit more.
Eventually there will be no God left.

'God made the science' isn't an argument, surely? That would mean that we understand the workings of God - surely we couldn't understand, and replicate the skills of, an omnipotent being?

... unless... God is simply the collective term for the science we haven't yet discovered.