Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 64. (Read 89032 times)

God exists outside of the physics that requires that something be made for it to exist. In other words, God always was and always will be. But the physics of this universe that He made, is the kind of physics that must have a beginning.

Now, I know that you might not be able to understand this, but other people will understand. So thank you for the prompting that has encouraged me to show it to others, as well as you.

So what created God?
And what created the thing that created God?
and so on.
Putting a God in there answers nothing. Its makes it 10 times worse since you then have to explain a All mighty intelligence and where it came from. "It has always been there" is no answer since it then breaks Newton's 3rd Law.

Such is the wisdom from someone that can't even understand that God exists, as shown and proven here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380
and all over the place.

I love the argument back with facts from even the Bible and are even relevant to what is being discussed including other point of reference provided by OP. In as much as I respect that opinion and not doing this to change your mind, but I think you faulted in some passages of the Bible that you made reference to as you only picked a verse and not what was was going on at that point in time when the verse was related to.Doing this, will give a better understanding of why a particular statement was made whether by God or by someone giving the account of events.

OP says that Knowledge should be free; I agree! I have out-argued the OP. My example shows that the brain is essentially NOT required for consciousness as was originally thought.

There isn't anything more dangerous for you, and for others, than you being absolute[ly] certain about something like your metaphysical beliefs, OP.

You believe that life is "a lucky but tiny oasis of awareness that exists between two infinite deserts of nothingness", but where is the evidence? How would you know that this is the only life that you will have?


Your belief is a matter of FACT? No my friend, I found the counter-example to your claim that "the brain creates conscience" and you are afraid to touch it.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17075020

According to Lorber:
"Of course these results are dramatic, but they're not overdramatic.  One would not make the claim if one did not have the evidence."

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...

Even if you win... you're still retarded

Another af_newbie Smart-Alec remark. He has no idea that time travel exists. After all, God exists outside of time. Both ends of time are in view to Him, and all the points in between. Just because He gets some excitement in His life by not looking ahead in the story, just like many of us wait until we read to the end of a book before we look at the conclusion.

In the even that somebody thinks that God isn't doing His version of "reading a book" with the universe and the lives of all of us, look at Revelation 6:14:
This universe is like an exciting story that God made and is reading, something like you read some books more than once. There is excitement in it for Him. He even let us take part in "writing" our little section of the story. And when we messed the story up, he felt such emotional sorrow for us (because God is love) that He figured out how to save us out of this dumb book universe.

You af_newbie style jokers need to understand the greatness that you are missing out on by protesting against God.

God owns everything. He is the One Who has decentralized it all. Without God, there would be nothing. "Nothing" is more centralized than God.

But god is so horribly centralised.

Can't god be more decentralised?

If not, then his time has come and gone.

Decentralize everything, even god!

-sf-

No, kids of 7years can't wipe their asses by themselves and they are thinkig of big band theory, black holes,etc... lol what?

Actually, it is around age 7 or 8 that many people START believing in fairy tales. That's when they hear about things like evolution theory, big bang theory, black hole theory. Without having an understanding of what the word "theory" means, they simply believe in these fairy tales.

At least science is still honorable and truthful enough that they don't relegate these and other theories to the status of fact, when they know that they are not fact. However, science is stretching its credibility by allowing these particular theories to even remain as theories. For example, even if it is somehow proven that the universe could have come about by a big bang, there will never be any way that anyone could tell that this is the way that it DID come about.

Regarding evolution theory... simple probability math shows us that evolution could not have happened. When you look for flaws in evolution in searches on the Internet, you will be able to find all kinds of things that show that evolution is impossible. For example, http://humansarefree.com/2013/12/9-scienctific-facts-prove-theory-of.html. Even if these and other proofs against evolution seem to be rebutted at times, there is still so much question about evolution that it will NEVER be proven, and should even be dropped as a theory.

While black hole theory might have a little more strength than big bang theory and evolution theory, it still might take hundreds of years before we can actually go out there and examine black holes to see what they really are. Yet, people all over the place believe in this theory, without giving the fact that it is only a theory, a second thought.

Multitudes of science fiction books have been written regarding multitudes of scientific theories. The authors of these books are so compelling in their discussions of all this make-believe science, that their readers often believe in spite of themselves, and then pass their pseudo-faith on to their children. Not only does this make society base their life on a lie, but it embeds scientific fairy tales into children as though they were really fact.

While many people believe in science fairy tales, few people believe in flying horses or reindeer.



EDIT: Thank you for giving me the opportunity, and the prompting, to show people that they are believing in fairy tales when they believe that science theory is fact.

Everyone believes in God.   

Can a person be religious and not believe in deities?

-sf-

Then we are at peace, on this subject, anyway.   

I said no blind speculation.

Since there is only one, that's the only one it can be.   

Oh, and what specific one would that be exactly?

Oh, and I nearly forgot, no blind speculation with your reply if possible.

What God? The only and REAL God. Science proves that God exists. Your ignorance shows that you don't even understand science.

Play in your dream world. If you don't get real with God, there will come a time you will lose all your dreams.

As I have said above, nature shows, and science proves, that God exists. Cause and effect is in everything, and it almost proves God all by itself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Who do you think you are? trying to make yourself god above God by saying He doesn't exist, when he shows you all around that He does?

What god?
You don't have to assume anything, it's not a problem in physics and you assume there is no air resistance in that particular problem. Well you see here's the thing, science is here to give us some answers to that question and even if it cannot give us the answer right away it still continues to reaserch and tries to find the answer, but religion sets it right there and that's it. I see that you're not familiar with biology and theory of evolution. Don't be so dense. But here, I have some questions for you: If some god created all of this, who created him? Since all of you are speaking of the big bang theory as in "nothing exploded and here we are", the same applies to gods... where di they come from? Where are they now? Why did all miracles stop happening with the invention of a video recorder?

In all, it's really retarded to claim that there really is a god if there isn't ANY of the evidences of it's existance and what god even exist that is, since there are over 500 gods that humans made up, and if all religions claim that their gods are the true ones, what's with the rest of the religions that oppose that and say that their god is the real one... That's why religions use FAITH, so you believe in somthing that you can't even see or hear or anything, if it wasn't like that, it wouldn't be called faith.

oh boy, go back to your desert goat-lover. See, you go by this statement "IF not that THAN this" and there is nothing else for you, have you even considered any other solution maybe?
"hm, how did this thing came to be?
"-I don't know, we'll do a research and see where it leads us"
"Nah, it's god. God created it."
"but  we can't ju--"
"nope, it's god"

That's how stupid you sound to me. Every question that you don't know the solution to or thge final answer, or any other thing that we don't even know where it came from or how dod it become, therefore it must be god... Go back to the dark ages.