Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 64. (Read 89184 times)

A priestess confessed what many simple disguise in order to keep their job: she doesn't believe in god:

http://www.grettavosper.ca/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretta_Vosper

Watch the video again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0

You cannot refute scientific experimentation with testimony... science doesn' work like that

Sorry, you are wrong

Your claim was refuted by way of counterexample. I even linked you to two counterexamples and there are many, many more!

My claim is based on scientific experimentation involving an electromagnet placed against the brain

I have been over this with you months ago, and even linked the video to you!

Quit pretending like we haven't already had this fucking argument

Your claim is based on people's testimony, and it is factually wrong, but you will not admit it, so you instead resort to calling me names; you are nothing but a hypocrite; at least if you could admit that you were mistaken THIS ONE TIME, it would lead to a more fruitful discussion in the future...

Usually when people get this defensive it is because they know deep down that they are full of shit

You make wild claims but have zero scientific evidence to back any of it up... there is no such scientific evidence for NDE's being anything like what you claim... you have provided no such evidence... all your links are purely anecdotal gibberish... with zero science involved

Testimony is not science fucktard

People tell stories about seeing white lights, aliens, ghosts, bigfoot, demons, gods, etc, etc, etc... it doesn't make any of it real

Yeah bro, I am mad that you fail to admit the truth, no matter what. I am mad at hypocrites like u, brah

u mad bro?

You sound mad...

Exactly right!

"NDE's, drug-induced hallucinations, and out-of-body experiences occurring under normal conditions and other kinds of hallucinations are all related."
 
In other words, the NDE is not an isolated phenomena. The common link between NDE and these other experiences is the release of the spirit, to a greater or lesser extent, from the body. This is the relation that should be investigated.

The real question should not be, "Do you have to be near death to have an NDE?" but rather do you have to be near death for the spirit to separate from the body? Evidence tells us the answer is no.

The spirit can and does leave the body in any number of situations, including those that occur without drugs or trauma. This is exactly what one would expect to find if the Afterlife Hypothesis is true. If one postulates spirit surviving body death, one also postulates spirit being different and separate from the body it inhabits. The Afterlife Hypothesis predicts the spirit should be capable of separating from the body under conditions other than impending death. The evidence of ketamine, dextromethorphan, and etc. thus directly supports the Afterlife Hypothesis.

Read: A Critique of Susan Blackmore's Dying Brain Hypothesis by Greg Stone
http://www.near-death.com/science/articles/dying-brain-theory.html

I am not impressed, Moloch. I have already read RationalWiki, skepdic, JREF forums, Sam Harris forums, and many scholarly papers from skeptics, I also participate in multiple forum discussions with peers.

Why should I keep reading the opposition when YOU are unable to even comprehend the content of one single link that I reference? Your claims are in error; YOU SHOULD DO MORE READING BECAUSE NOT ONLY HAVE YOU FAILED TO PROVIDE A SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION, YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CORE ELEMENTS OF THE NDE ARE!

"All neurological theories concluding NDEs to be only a brain anomaly, must show how the core elements of the NDE occur subjectively because of specific neurological events triggered by the approach of death."

Read: A Critique of Susan Blackmore's Dying Brain Hypothesis by Greg Stone
http://www.near-death.com/science/articles/dying-brain-theory.html

This is absurd. No one wishes to invite death, except for ones who are suicidal (suicide is against life). Your argument that Jesus invited his death is nonsensical; it can easily be seen that God has no need of martyrs since one who is wise can do God's work while alive. I happen to know that Jesus resisted his capture, but your personal view of theology (dogma) will not accept such a historical fact.

That Bible has serious gaps and holes--so much that the OT appears to present many examples of what GOD would NOT DO. Yet you will never choose to read another book that criticizes the content of that Bible because you have closed your eyes to anything that could change your view (dogma) of that flawed text.

There is no use in discussing with you such facts as "Jesus resisted his capture" or "The Bible was re-written in order to suit men, not GOD" because you have already set your beliefs in stone; you are precisely the type of hypocrite that Jesus denounced.

The rhetorical opinions of your NDE theories are presented as if they were scientific. The opinion of a select few BITCOINERS, who are not experts on the subject, can hardly be called scientific evidence.

How do you know that I have NOT taken such a course and courses far beyond that?? You presume a lot about my understanding of the mind, but offer no concrete understanding of your own. Here is a quote from a recent neuroscience paper:

"ongoing [brain] activity fluctuations ... constitute an essential property of the neural architecture underlying cognition"

Therefore,
no brain activity -> no suitable neural architecture for cognition -> no possibility of cognition.

"A high level of consciousness while physically unconscious is medically unexplained"

Recent observations like the AWARE study show that consciousness has occurred during a period when the brain was non-functional.

Many skeptical arguments against the survival theory are actually arguments from pseudo-skeptics who often think they have no burden of proof. Such arguments are often based on scientism with assumptions that survival is impossible even though survival has not been ruled out. Faulty conclusions are often made such as, "Because NDEs have a brain chemical connection then survival is impossible." Pseudo-skeptical arguments are sometimes made that do not consider the entire body of circumstantial evidence supporting the possibility of survival or do not consider the possibility of new paradigms. Such pseudo-skeptical claims are often made without any scientific evidence.

Source: http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a35

You are totally wrong about that! Admit it!
Source:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a50
Another source:
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a26

Mwahahahahaha! You and Ricky try to mock God. You can't do it. You will die. And when He raises you in the judgment, He will show you how you have only mocked yourself.

But this isn't what He really wants. Come now, and believe Him, so that you can be saved. He'll forgive you for all that attempted mockery of Him.

Do you mean Jesus could not save Himself from death on the cross? His Father saved Him. He arose on the third day after. He is alive right now, and in control of everything, because His Father gave Him control.

People commit sins because they want to, or because they are weak. All sins have been forgiven except one... the sin against the Holy spirit.



Jesus didn't "let" people crucify Him. He invited it, at the correct time, of course. Why did Jesus do this? Here's why.

In the Garden, at the Beginning, there were only two people and the snake (Satan, the Devil, was in the snake.). The people had control at that time, but didn't realize how powerful their control was. Satan tempted them to eat the fruit, and when they did, they gave their control over to Satan by listening to his temptations. Satan took control, but death followed for people... we all give in to the temptation from Satan.

Jesus never gave in to the temptation from Satan. He died the death without giving in to the temptation, thereby taking back the control. (When a person is dead, he can no longer be tempted to do anything. His position is locked in.)

Now, because of Jesus death, people have control, again. Why? Because Satan can never tempt Him to sin again. Jesus arose from the dead to prove it. His Father gave Him all authority in Heaven and on Earth for what He did.

Jesus has promised salvation from death for all who believe in Him. But you can't know this if you only read Islamic texts, because Islamic texts have serious gaps and holes in them. You know which book to read to understand this.

If God can make changes to his will at any given time, then is his will really perfect or divine?

None of this is significant either way. Why not? Because it is a little thing for God to remember every little thing about the life of a person, and to keep the person's soul alive without the body if necessary. And God can instantly materialize a new body for any soul He wants at any time.

Because i am more into reality that we create our own destiny and gods are just from our imagination that is talkin to us.

I already explained this to you 6 months ago...

Science is based upon experimentation, not testimony

Scientific experimentation has shown that NDE can be caused by a magnet... it not not spiritual, it has nothing to do with god... it has a perfectly normal scientific explanation like everything else

The only people who see a white light, etc, are religious... if you are not religious, you see aliens, or some other weird shit

Alien abduction stories are the exact same thing as NDE... it is caused by the same lack of oxygen in your brain

It is not real, quit believing all the crazy shit you read on the internet... check your facts... google the opposition and see what they say... don't get all your info from a single biased source (who is probably trying to sell you something)

Just want you to know this...Humans have brains and act the same..You will take in the life you live in your brain and i will take the life i live..But if we get hurt i feel pain like you if we get sick i feel the same sickness as you..
Now if i DREAM i DREAM the same dreams as you but with little twist like who is in these dreams..
But because more than 30 people say the same thing  got to be god ..IT'S WHAT BRAINS ACT LIKE WE ARE ALL HUMANS WITH A BRAIN..
IT FUNCTIONS THE SAME..

Now i think your wasting your time but if you think your not then good luck because i am a believer that nothing is impossible in this day and age..
So one day you might prove us all wrong..And then you got to prove it's to do with god
So good luck with your quest..And most important we need proof your right.. And not with writing show us so are eyes can see the proof to your claims..
GOOD LUCK..Still think your better wasting your time doing something else..YOU MIGHT PROVE US WRONG..
Like winning the lottery jackpot 10 times so good luck..plus people wanting to know if an after life for hundreds maybe thousands of years with no joy of proof..