Topic: There IS life after DEATH: Scientists reveal shock findings (Read 6478 times)

You are under the mistaken impression that there was brain activity when in fact there was flat EEG and no blood flow for over two minutes. Aside from the evidence of veridical perception, there is NO evidence that awareness can occur after (less than) 40 seconds of cardiac arrest.

Your arguments appear to be based on scientism with assumptions that survival is impossible even though survival has not been ruled out. Pseudo-skeptical arguments are being made that do not consider the entire body of circumstantial evidence supporting the possibility of survival or do not consider the possibility of new paradigms. Such pseudo-skeptical arguments are being made without any scientific evidence.

The evidence of this case is quite clear and has been stated to you numerous times; it is interesting that you give no specific rebuttal to any point of evidence that Parnia claims for his study:

1) "In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat."

2) “This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn't resume again until the heart has been restarted. "

3) “Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events."

The results of this case study are not considered to be proven? Then which claims are in doubt? Do you doubt the medical staff as credible witnesses? Do you doubt that the brain ceases its higher functions after (less than) 40 seconds of cardiac arrest? Do you doubt that the patient had recollections that were consistent with the verified events described by the medical staff? Which of these claims are in doubt and why?

I back you on this.
You can't possibly count that as living just because theres' activity in neural pathways for a few minutes.
On the other hand the few minutes of activity could be perceived as a whole life time in the dying persons experience.
So it might not be nothingness after all.

LIFE after death has been "confirmed" by scientists who have discovered consciousness continues even once a person has died.



In a large scale study of more than 2,000 people, British boffins confirmed that thoughts DO carry on after the heart stops.

The shock research has also uncovered the most convincing evidence of an out of body experience for a patient declared dead.

It had been believed the brain stopped all activity 30 seconds after the heart had stopped pumping blood around the body, and that with that, awareness ceases too.

However, the study from the University of Southampton shows people still experience awareness for up to three minutes after they had been pronounced dead.


Lead researcher Dr Sam Parnia said: "Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning.

"If attempts are made to reverse this process, it is referred to as 'cardiac arrest'; however, if these attempts do not succeed it is called ‘death’."

Of the 2,060 patients from Austria, the US and the UK interviewed for the study who had survived cardiac arrest, almost 40 per cent said that they recall some form of awareness after being pronounced clinically dead.

Dr Parnia continued: "This suggests more people may have mental activity initially but then lose their memories after recovery, either due to the effects of brain injury or sedative drugs on memory recall.”


Of those who said they had experienced some awareness, just two per cent said their experience was consistent with the feeling of an outer body experience – where one feels completely aware and can hear and see what’s going on around them after death.

Almost half of the respondents said the experience was not of awareness, but rather of fear.

However, the most significant finding of the study is that of a 57-year old man who is perhaps the first confirmed outer body experience in a patient.


The man was able to recall with eerie accuracy what was going on around him after he had ‘died’ temporarily.

Dr Parnia continued: "This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with 'real' events when the heart isn't beating.

"In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat.


“This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn't resume again until the heart has been restarted.

“Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study



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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...

 

So you neurons are firing longer than they initially thought after your heart stops.

You class that as living?

Seems just like a slightly longer descent into nothingness to me.

If this study is further and confirmed, many who believe in life after death (as terrorists) will be more motivated in their cause what is bad.

And the religious fanatics will talk more nonsense

In my country, the healer will have more fanatics to join their cause

I do not think this is good news

this life is not our to take. it is the property of our Allah and He has the right to take it. Allah create human for His worship and made this world and all animals ans birds desert oceans mountains and plants and trees for the benefit of human. and we are getting benefit from the world.

this life is not our to take. it is the property of our Allah and He has the right to take it. Allah create human for His worship and made this world and all animals ans birds desert oceans mountains and plants and trees for the benefit of human. and we are getting benefit from the world.

Sounds like your God has some confidence issues.  Probably was molested as a child.

Asking to be worshiped?  What for? so that he can feel better about himself?  Is he some insecure child? 

Muslims are taking lives of animals, including other humans as we speak. 

It seems to me you guys don't really believe in after life.  If you did, you would kill yourself without hesitation.

oh thats actually really interesting.  i was going to facepalm at the beginning because every time i see such a tittle its most likely religious things...
 but it was very interesting ^^. and i have heard just like others over here, about people waking up after 30 minutes of being dead or something. Thats amazing!

When you have someone as great as God - One Who created everything - how does one give Him thanks for this creation and life? How does one really show thankfulness by doing as God did for us... giving something back to God? What can you give to God that will benefit Him, since he can create a creation a thousand times more glorious than this one if He wants?

In addition, What is there that can benefit God? After all, God can devise anything, make anything, plan any plan, do infinitely great wonders, bring forth wisdom and knowledge beyond any capability of understanding; nothing is limited in any way with God.

Rather, thank and praise God that He has placed in you enough of Himself so that when you praise Him, He can be truly esteemed. Think of how great He has made you, that He has given you a self that can actually benefit God through praising Him!

However, if you don't directly, willingly praise Him, YOU STILL CAN'T HELP BUT TO PRAISE HIM? How? He has given you the ability to reject Him. And Anybody that has given people the freedom to reject the only Power in and beyond the universe, is super wonderful GREAT. So, you use your ability that He has given, to reject Him, thereby worshiping Him through using what He has given... even though you destroy yourself by doing it this way.

Sounds like your God has some confidence issues.  Probably was molested as a child.

Asking to be worshiped?  What for? so that he can feel better about himself?  Is he some insecure child?  

Muslims are taking lives of animals, including other humans as we speak.  

It seems to me you guys don't really believe in after life.  If you did, you would kill yourself without hesitation.

You just don't get it, do you? Paradise isn't the most important thing. Worshiping and praising God is way more important - recognizing He exists is the start of praise.

God placed us here for reasons of His own. Suicide is an attempt at nullifying God's purposes in placing us here, thereby becoming counter to praise and worship. This makes suicide a separation from Paradise, but an entrance into Hell.

To be sure, there are times when self-inflicted death is praising God. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

Living and dying for God is way more important than Paradise. Paradise is simply the aftereffect of living and dying for God.

Why don't you guys just kill yourself and go straight to paradise?  If you believe in life after death, why bother waiting for death.  Just do it and live forever in the afterlife.

Why are you waiting for death?