Wilder vs. Fury II: The Rematch is On - page 13.

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Quote from: Docnaster on February 17, 2020, 05:46:11 PM

Quote from: dunfida on February 17, 2020, 03:50:44 PM

Its quite entertaining to look for that kind of aggression but going too much or overboard isnt already appealing.I agree that most of boxers nowadays are not really that aggressive compared on previous decades.

Im not saying im underestimating the current generation but i dont really believe that Fury would able to beat up Tyson on his 80's? I can already foreshadow on what would happen. Grin

Well, to be honest it's quite possible to be cool and composed and still be an absolute nightmare. So I don't even know if aggression matters that much. If anything, it could make boxers act reckless during their fights.

I'd still lean towards Mike Tyson against practically every heavyweight now though, not because he was aggressive, but because he was a straight up monster.

That's probably his skills (his power), but it didn't help him last in the sports with good record as time comes he was already losing.
His got Losses 6 in his entire boxing career but he is still entertaining compared to boxers who have no loses like Mayweather for instance so he is a legend but in terms of style, he is not as smart as the boxer I cited in my example but that's my point of view only.

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Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

To be honest, the height difference between these two would be absolutely mental.

Fury is like 6ft 9, and Tyson was 5ft 9.

I'm not sure Tyson could overcome that weight, height, reach advantage etc.

That said, Fury's body would get absolutely worked in that fight, that's for sure. Would love to see have seen it happen.

It's not really Fury who said that in that article but it was Wilder but for me both fighters cannot beat Tyson on his prime, both fighters did not face fighters that Tyson knock out in his prime, there is only one baddest boxer of all time and that's Mike Tyson.

Sorry for that mistake, it was Wilder who said that, I don't know what I put Fury in there, Lol, anyways, I give you merit for pointing that out.

And I do agree that both of them will not have a chance against a prime Tyson in the mid 80's. Tyson's head movement is underrated and he really utilised this against taller opponent of his.

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Quote from: dunfida on February 17, 2020, 03:50:44 PM

Its quite entertaining to look for that kind of aggression but going too much or overboard isnt already appealing.I agree that most of boxers nowadays are not really that aggressive compared on previous decades.

Im not saying im underestimating the current generation but i dont really believe that Fury would able to beat up Tyson on his 80's? I can already foreshadow on what would happen. Grin

Well, to be honest it's quite possible to be cool and composed and still be an absolute nightmare. So I don't even know if aggression matters that much. If anything, it could make boxers act reckless during their fights.

I'd still lean towards Mike Tyson against practically every heavyweight now though, not because he was aggressive, but because he was a straight up monster.

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Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

Those are some really major words if you ask me, the prime of Tyson did not last long because of several issues in his personal life but at his prime he was a force of nature, he was one of the scariest fighters I have ever seen, he was very aggressive and once he had you where he wanted you had no way to escape, I do no really think that any of the top fighters in the heavyweight division of this day could have beaten Tyson on his prime but if they want to believe otherwise then let them since at the end we know the answer.

Nobody has that aggression these days. Almost all boxers play it safe and try to be as charismatic as possible, playing up to the media.

The only person who I can think of who might be slightly aggressive, albeit in a different way is Chisora.

He's known for throwing tables and bottles at people, and slapping people during the face-off. Though it's not the same kind of menacing aggression that Tyson had.

Its quite entertaining to look for that kind of aggression but going too much or overboard isnt already appealing.I agree that most of boxers nowadays are not really that aggressive compared on previous decades.

Im not saying im underestimating the current generation but i dont really believe that Fury would able to beat up Tyson on his 80's? I can already foreshadow on what would happen. Grin

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Quote from: South Park on February 17, 2020, 03:03:07 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on February 16, 2020, 07:50:42 PM

Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

Those are some really major words if you ask me, the prime of Tyson did not last long because of several issues in his personal life but at his prime he was a force of nature, he was one of the scariest fighters I have ever seen, he was very aggressive and once he had you where he wanted you had no way to escape, I do no really think that any of the top fighters in the heavyweight division of this day could have beaten Tyson on his prime but if they want to believe otherwise then let them since at the end we know the answer.

Nobody has that aggression these days. Almost all boxers play it safe and try to be as charismatic as possible, playing up to the media.

The only person who I can think of who might be slightly aggressive, albeit in a different way is Chisora.

He's known for throwing tables and bottles at people, and slapping people during the face-off. Though it's not the same kind of menacing aggression that Tyson had.

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Quote from: btc_angela on February 16, 2020, 07:50:42 PM

Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

Those are some really major words if you ask me, the prime of Tyson did not last long because of several issues in his personal life but at his prime he was a force of nature, he was one of the scariest fighters I have ever seen, he was very aggressive and once he had you where he wanted you had no way to escape, I do no really think that any of the top fighters in the heavyweight division of this day could have beaten Tyson on his prime but if they want to believe otherwise then let them since at the end we know the answer.

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Quote from: Zicadis on February 16, 2020, 08:53:32 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on February 16, 2020, 07:50:42 PM

Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

To be honest, the height difference between these two would be absolutely mental.

Fury is like 6ft 9, and Tyson was 5ft 9.

I'm not sure Tyson could overcome that weight, height, reach advantage etc.

That said, Fury's body would get absolutely worked in that fight, that's for sure. Would love to see have seen it happen.

That's really a big advantages from Fury's side even Tyson from his prime really have the killer punch but that height advantage will be a big
difference. Though there's no chance to conclude this one out, as they reign in different era. Fighting skills and conditioning with training coaches
also play big.

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Quote from: Saisher on February 16, 2020, 11:37:41 PM

Quote from: Zicadis on February 16, 2020, 08:53:32 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on February 16, 2020, 07:50:42 PM

Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

To be honest, the height difference between these two would be absolutely mental.

Fury is like 6ft 9, and Tyson was 5ft 9.

I'm not sure Tyson could overcome that weight, height, reach advantage etc.

That said, Fury's body would get absolutely worked in that fight, that's for sure. Would love to see have seen it happen.

It's not really Fury who said that in that article but it was Wilder but for me both fighters cannot beat Tyson on his prime, both fighters did not face fighters that Tyson knock out in his prime, there is only one baddest boxer of all time and that's Mike Tyson.

I agree, neither Fury or Wilder will have a chance against a prime Mike Tyson, If I'm not mistaken, Mike also fought a lot of taller guys (but not as tall as Fury), and Tyson did demolished them in a couple of rounds.

No need to make this fantasy fights though, I think whoever says did are just hyping the rematch. And as what we always says in sports, different era's, so can't really compare them.

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Quote from: Zicadis on February 16, 2020, 08:53:32 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on February 16, 2020, 07:50:42 PM

Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

To be honest, the height difference between these two would be absolutely mental.

Fury is like 6ft 9, and Tyson was 5ft 9.

I'm not sure Tyson could overcome that weight, height, reach advantage etc.

That said, Fury's body would get absolutely worked in that fight, that's for sure. Would love to see have seen it happen.

It's not really Fury who said that in that article but it was Wilder but for me both fighters cannot beat Tyson on his prime, both fighters did not face fighters that Tyson knock out in his prime, there is only one baddest boxer of all time and that's Mike Tyson.

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Quote from: btc_angela on February 16, 2020, 07:50:42 PM

Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

To be honest, the height difference between these two would be absolutely mental.

Fury is like 6ft 9, and Tyson was 5ft 9.

I'm not sure Tyson could overcome that weight, height, reach advantage etc.

That said, Fury's body would get absolutely worked in that fight, that's for sure. Would love to see have seen it happen.

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Do you think that a Fury would beat a prime Tyson?

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"Me vs. Tyson in '86, I'd kick the hell outta that guy. Listen, I've got to keep it real. I know people always go back to the old school or look at the new school and there's no school where I'm not No. 1 on earth," Wilder said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/mike-tyson-reacts-wilders-prediction-beating-him--146808

I agree with Lennox Lewis reaction on that article, I mean a prime Tyson in the mid 80's is like an animal destroying everyone in his path, including any version of Fury, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Viscore on January 21, 2020, 06:46:06 PM

in fight number 1, Fury could have won the fight easily, probably a UD.

Dont have a clue of what you mean by UD.

UD means Unanimous decision.. well, he could have won that as he dominated most of the rounds, but that knock down were able to gave Wilder a chance to make it a close fight and it was announce as DRAW in the end.

in this rematch, anyone thinking of taking the DRAW again? in my book the odds is x16

Anyways, I don't think it will ended the same, both fighters have seen the strength and weaknesses and I'm sure that they will try to negate it. Fury is shouting that he is looking for a KO (knock-out), and not let everything go on the hands of the judges because the first fight was very controversial. Him dominating Wilder in the early rounds is enough for him to win in my scorecard.

You guys are both right about Fury performances but nothing is impossible buddy. However, I'm sure the two fighters will want to settle the scores for real this time and I'm pretty sure Wilder won't take it easy on Fury because he has said too much on Instagram.

Quote from: btc_angela on January 22, 2020, 04:56:03 AM

Damn, what are the odds that it will ended up in a draw?

x16 as he has mentioned before.

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 22, 2020, 06:25:18 PM

https://www.boxingscene.com/klitschkos-trainer-wilder-not-get-knocked-out-he-get-dropped--146101

Don't know why people even bring up sparring, and why even mention it when Wilder was just a youngblood against the unified heavyweight champion... Seems pointless.

Practically everybody has been dropped at some point either in sparring or in the amateurs, most of the time nobody is around to talk about it, and especially in the higher ranks it all gets hushed up.

However, I really don't think there's much to draw from it, since no man is impervious to getting dropped by the right punch.

And with a guy like Wladimir who hits like a truck, this is doubly true.

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Ok, I've been hearing this news as of late, the Klitschko knock out Wilder during one of their sparring. I would understand the situation then, because that time Wilder is still green and just a young prospect. But Whyte is the one that spread this rumour, so Klitschko's training denied the Wilder was knock out cold, but he did say that he was knock down.

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"I've seen him getting knocked out," Whyte told Sky Sports. "Wladimir knocked him out. It wasn't no knockdown, he was knocked cold. Properly twitching as well. That's why they probably didn't want him to fight Wlad, because Wlad was going to fight him as a pro and Wilder never fancied it the whole time."

From Johnathon Banks, who took over the training duties of former heavyweight king Wladimir Klitschko after Emanuel Steward passed away in 2012

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"Did Wilder get knocked out cold in sparring by Wladimir? No, that's the truth it didn't happen. Did he get dropped? Yes he did."

https://www.boxingscene.com/klitschkos-trainer-wilder-not-get-knocked-out-he-get-dropped--146101

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on January 22, 2020, 10:34:00 AM

The reason we have rounds is to score the fights according to the rounds won and anyone who saw the fight know who won the rounds and if someone lands a good punch in two rounds in a 12 round fight and because Wilder landed the heaviest punch does not mean that it was a close fight, in all of the fights Wilder is involved he just want to land a punch to win the fight as he looses most of the rounds in the scorecard and in the fight against Fury he landed the punch in the late rounds but that was not enough to win the fight and the decision should have gone to Fury for winning most of the rounds.

I know that score per round is very important on determining the winner if and only both fighters never get down to canvass. But if someone get even a single knockdown, the scoring will be greatly affected and everything will shift in favor of the opposing fighter. And what I think of it is fair, because iny opinion the impact and damage you've done is still the main basis of this game after all Grin

. Once your back touch the ground at the 12th round, all of your consistency on the last 11 rounds will suddenly washed out. But well it still depends on how you struggle on getting up (that's why I think they end up to draw. Fury doesn't get hurt too much on that knockdown).

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Quote from: mirakal on January 22, 2020, 03:03:31 AM

he could have won that as he dominated most of the rounds, but that knock down were able to gave Wilder a chance to make it a close fight and it was announce as DRAW in the end.

in this rematch, anyone thinking of taking the DRAW again? in my book the odds is x16

The reason we have rounds is to score the fights according to the rounds won and anyone who saw the fight know who won the rounds and if someone lands a good punch in two rounds in a 12 round fight and because Wilder landed the heaviest punch does not mean that it was a close fight, in all of the fights Wilder is involved he just want to land a punch to win the fight as he looses most of the rounds in the scorecard and in the fight against Fury he landed the punch in the late rounds but that was not enough to win the fight and the decision should have gone to Fury for winning most of the rounds.

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Quote from: Vaculin on January 22, 2020, 07:49:03 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on January 22, 2020, 04:56:03 AM

Fury is shouting that he is looking for a KO (knock-out), and not let everything go on the hands of the judges because the first fight was very controversial.

If he can do that, if I am not mistake, Wilder was never been knock down because this guy is strong and can easily recover.

Quote from: btc_angela on January 22, 2020, 04:56:03 AM

Him dominating Wilder in the early rounds is enough for him to win in my scorecard.

Fury's style is not the problem, in the eyes of the many, he won the fight, maybe this time, they need to have a more credible judges and avoid getting knock down again, that's the only thing he has to do and he'll win.

Fury's style can be his biggest advantage. Intelligent defensive for the whole night might be the one and only thing to stop Bronze Bomber.

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 22, 2020, 04:56:03 AM

Fury is shouting that he is looking for a KO (knock-out), and not let everything go on the hands of the judges because the first fight was very controversial.

If he can do that, if I am not mistake, Wilder was never been knock down because this guy is strong and can easily recover.

Quote from: btc_angela on January 22, 2020, 04:56:03 AM

Him dominating Wilder in the early rounds is enough for him to win in my scorecard.

Fury's style is not the problem, in the eyes of the many, he won the fight, maybe this time, they need to have a more credible judges and avoid getting knock down again, that's the only thing he has to do and he'll win.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 22, 2020, 03:03:31 AM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on January 21, 2020, 07:51:13 PM

Quote from: Viscore on January 21, 2020, 06:46:06 PM

in fight number 1, Fury could have won the fight easily, probably a UD.

Dont have a clue of what you mean by UD.

UD means Unanimous decision.. well, he could have won that as he dominated most of the rounds, but that knock down were able to gave Wilder a chance to make it a close fight and it was announce as DRAW in the end.

in this rematch, anyone thinking of taking the DRAW again? in my book the odds is x16

Damn, what are the odds that it will ended up in a draw? Anyways, I don't think it will ended the same, both fighters have seen the strength and weaknesses and I'm sure that they will try to negate it. Fury is shouting that he is looking for a KO (knock-out), and not let everything go on the hands of the judges because the first fight was very controversial. Him dominating Wilder in the early rounds is enough for him to win in my scorecard.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on January 21, 2020, 07:51:13 PM

Quote from: Viscore on January 21, 2020, 06:46:06 PM

in fight number 1, Fury could have won the fight easily, probably a UD.

Dont have a clue of what you mean by UD.

UD means Unanimous decision.. well, he could have won that as he dominated most of the rounds, but that knock down were able to gave Wilder a chance to make it a close fight and it was announce as DRAW in the end.

in this rematch, anyone thinking of taking the DRAW again? in my book the odds is x16

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