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Quote from: pooya87 on November 08, 2022, 02:27:28 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 07, 2022, 08:11:41 AM

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Were those U.S. Military personel officially supposed to be in Ukraine when they were killed? Or were those actually U.S. Military? I believe those people were merely "volunteers", and merely civilians. If it was discovered by Russia/Putin that indeed U.S. Military was sent, entered, and was fighting side by side with the Ukrainian Military, then that's a true declaration of WAR.

I break it down in this comment here and there is also an example of US confessing to being involved ever since 2014 posted on US Department of Defense website.

Basically in the think tanks in US they came up with a threshold of how much help they can send Ukraine before things escalate out of hands. That includes weapons (eg. type and range of missiles given to Ukraine) to troops they deploy (covert, NCOs, etc.). That includes the number and type of military personnel that are being deployed in Ukraine. They do it as much as it remains hidden and doesn't escalate the situation while still be involved enough to prolong this proxy war.

The news of US troops being killed fighting in Ukraine sometimes come out in the mainstream media too like [1] and [2].

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/28/politics/american-killed-ukraine/index.html
[2] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/26/europe/joshua-jones-ukraine-russia-transfer-intl/index.html

I believe Sithara007's post about Putin could be the truth. It could be U.S. Military Personnel/Special Forces who are acting under the guidance of the C.I.A. to help the Ukrainian military. Those 'personnel" don't wear the American flag, nor are they considered in an official deployment/mission. If they get caught by the enemy, the U.S. government will absolutely deny everything, and they will not do anything to help the "personnel". It's "Mission Impossible". Hahaha.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 07, 2022, 08:11:41 AM

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Were those U.S. Military personel officially supposed to be in Ukraine when they were killed? Or were those actually U.S. Military? I believe those people were merely "volunteers", and merely civilians. If it was discovered by Russia/Putin that indeed U.S. Military was sent, entered, and was fighting side by side with the Ukrainian Military, then that's a true declaration of WAR.

I break it down in this comment here and there is also an example of US confessing to being involved ever since 2014 posted on US Department of Defense website.

Basically in the think tanks in US they came up with a threshold of how much help they can send Ukraine before things escalate out of hands. That includes weapons (eg. type and range of missiles given to Ukraine) to troops they deploy (covert, NCOs, etc.). That includes the number and type of military personnel that are being deployed in Ukraine. They do it as much as it remains hidden and doesn't escalate the situation while still be involved enough to prolong this proxy war.

The news of US troops being killed fighting in Ukraine sometimes come out in the mainstream media too like [1] and [2].

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/28/politics/american-killed-ukraine/index.html
[2] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/26/europe/joshua-jones-ukraine-russia-transfer-intl/index.html

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 07, 2022, 08:11:41 AM

Were those U.S. Military personel officially supposed to be in Ukraine when they were killed? Or were those actually U.S. Military? I believe those people were merely "volunteers", and merely civilians. If it was discovered by Russia/Putin that indeed U.S. Military was sent, entered, and was fighting side by side with the Ukrainian Military, then that's a true declaration of WAR.

The claim from Russia is that they are CIA instructors sent to train the Ukrainian troops on the frontline. A few maybe genuine volunteers, but there is a chance that some maybe undercover operatives. Even in Mariupol, there were reports of American undercover personal. When the city was besieged by the Russians, the Kiev regime made several suicidal attempts to evacuate these people (one or two were successful, and the helicopters were shot down in the remaining instances). Will be interesting to see how Russia would retaliate for this.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on May 27, 2022, 12:15:37 AM

What is considered a superpower is what it looks like, a superpower is a country that has great influence in world affairs.
and the state must be strong in military terms, especially in the economy and foreign policy and so on.
and Russia is by no means a part of it, its economy is weak and its foreign influence is not very strong and only the military aspect stands out.
a superpower that can project its influence globally, and currently, the US, China are catching up fast, and the EU stumbles in third.

I agree with you mate. Russia only controls energy and with it's strong and agressive military that is why some dependent countries suffer a slight or even worse drop in it's economy due to Russias actions. You are correct about China and the US who has the right title as superpowers as they had both strong military, energy sources, ties with different countries and other important resources to run on their own and of course make them independent.

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 03, 2022, 12:32:53 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2022, 07:15:05 AM

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

US has always been in this war from day 0 and before that not to mention that so far in the at least a dozen US military personal have been killed inside Ukraine ever since the this war started. US simply can not get more involved than this.

Were those U.S. Military personel officially supposed to be in Ukraine when they were killed? Or were those actually U.S. Military? I believe those people were merely "volunteers", and merely civilians. If it was discovered by Russia/Putin that indeed U.S. Military was sent, entered, and was fighting side by side with the Ukrainian Military, then that's a true declaration of WAR.

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Definitely not. There are no winners in this war. The West simply has all the reasons to not let it happen.

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Quote from: Ozero on November 05, 2022, 02:18:50 PM

Quote from: xSkylarx on November 05, 2022, 12:51:17 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on November 03, 2022, 12:32:53 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2022, 07:15:05 AM

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

US has always been in this war from day 0 and before that not to mention that so far in the at least a dozen US military personal have been killed inside Ukraine ever since the this war started. US simply can not get more involved than this.

Oh, and I just thought that US personnel were just going to Ukraine to train those militaries that volunteered. I haven't really heard that there are militaries coming from the US; I only heard that they are just funding it and providing some weapons. Though I also hear some speculation that there are really US soldiers there joining the Ukrainian soldiers, it hasn't been confirmed. If ever Putin knew there were US personnel there, how would Russia react? It will be more conflict, I think, since Russia doesn't want the US to get involved in their war.

The United States is not yet going to send its troops to Ukraine to help it defend its independence and repel Russia's aggression. They have stated this many times. In Ukraine, individual US citizens, on their own initiative, volunteered and fought on the side of Ukraine. Now the NATO countries are strengthening the eastern borders of their alliance, that is, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, the Baltic countries, since Russia sometimes directly threatens these states with war. This is quite logical and expected. However, NATO countries do not rule out direct military assistance to Ukraine with their troops if Russia uses nuclear, chemical, bacterological or other weapons of mass destruction on the territory of Ukraine. So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, using the help of civilized states, are themselves coping with the repulse of Russian military aggression and may well force Russia to capitulate.

Not only the US but I will say no country will provide military support to Ukraine like their own army, that will be the trigger for the third world war. I think the US and Nato understand that, they are willing to spend billions of dollars to support weapons and equipment for Ukraine, but sending troops is something that never happens. This is a war of two world extremes, not only between Russia and Nato, behind Russia also has China, North Korea, and Iran.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on November 05, 2022, 12:51:17 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on November 03, 2022, 12:32:53 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2022, 07:15:05 AM

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

US has always been in this war from day 0 and before that not to mention that so far in the at least a dozen US military personal have been killed inside Ukraine ever since the this war started. US simply can not get more involved than this.

Oh, and I just thought that US personnel were just going to Ukraine to train those militaries that volunteered. I haven't really heard that there are militaries coming from the US; I only heard that they are just funding it and providing some weapons. Though I also hear some speculation that there are really US soldiers there joining the Ukrainian soldiers, it hasn't been confirmed. If ever Putin knew there were US personnel there, how would Russia react? It will be more conflict, I think, since Russia doesn't want the US to get involved in their war.

The United States is not yet going to send its troops to Ukraine to help it defend its independence and repel Russia's aggression. They have stated this many times. In Ukraine, individual US citizens, on their own initiative, volunteered and fought on the side of Ukraine. Now the NATO countries are strengthening the eastern borders of their alliance, that is, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, the Baltic countries, since Russia sometimes directly threatens these states with war. This is quite logical and expected. However, NATO countries do not rule out direct military assistance to Ukraine with their troops if Russia uses nuclear, chemical, bacterological or other weapons of mass destruction on the territory of Ukraine. So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, using the help of civilized states, are themselves coping with the repulse of Russian military aggression and may well force Russia to capitulate.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on November 05, 2022, 12:51:17 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on November 03, 2022, 12:32:53 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2022, 07:15:05 AM

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

US has always been in this war from day 0 and before that not to mention that so far in the at least a dozen US military personal have been killed inside Ukraine ever since the this war started. US simply can not get more involved than this.

Oh, and I just thought that US personnel were just going to Ukraine to train those militaries that volunteered. I haven't really heard that there are militaries coming from the US; I only heard that they are just funding it and providing some weapons. Though I also hear some speculation that there are really US soldiers there joining the Ukrainian soldiers, it hasn't been confirmed. If ever Putin knew there were US personnel there, how would Russia react? It will be more conflict, I think, since Russia doesn't want the US to get involved in their war.

It is not like this is some super secret intelligence I revealed for Putin to not already know it Cheesy

This is a well known fact.

US is involved in this war in different ways:
1. Sending weapons as you already know
2. Remotely training Ukrainian troops (over the internet)
3. Providing intelligence (using satellites, etc.)
4. Sending commanders to covertly lead the war against Russia and stay far away from the battlefield to avoid being harmed.
5. Deploying troops that are no longer part of US military. Basically they first "retire" those troops so they are removed from official books then deploy them in Ukraine so Russia can no longer call them "US troops" because it is a free world and "civilians" can join the war from anywhere in the world Grin

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 03, 2022, 12:32:53 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2022, 07:15:05 AM

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

US has always been in this war from day 0 and before that not to mention that so far in the at least a dozen US military personal have been killed inside Ukraine ever since the this war started. US simply can not get more involved than this.

Oh, and I just thought that US personnel were just going to Ukraine to train those militaries that volunteered. I haven't really heard that there are militaries coming from the US; I only heard that they are just funding it and providing some weapons. Though I also hear some speculation that there are really US soldiers there joining the Ukrainian soldiers, it hasn't been confirmed. If ever Putin knew there were US personnel there, how would Russia react? It will be more conflict, I think, since Russia doesn't want the US to get involved in their war.

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Quote from: DrBeer on November 01, 2022, 02:34:03 PM

So I already wrote about your problem above - you simply know the word, but don’t understand its meaning

It happens, but it’s fixable - knowledge, training, rejection of stupid propaganda - and you will adequately perceive the meanings of words

Let me try to explain to you how to explain to children in kindergarten .. Not in pictures, really, but in extremely simple words? It's easy for me, and I love doing good things! Yes, I immediately warn you - you can not thank, I'm a generous person

So - a vassal state, this is a state that, in very simple words, depends and is SUBJECT to another state! Those. does not have the right to make any significant decisions, does not have its own representation in international structures. Any step must be coordinated and carried out under the control of the "ruler". In fact, it is some kind of slavery. Here, by the way, is a wonderful example of a vassal state - the Moscow kingdom (read Russia). The Muscovite kingdom (Russia is a invented and "far-fetched" word that has nothing to do with Muscovy) was a country-slave of the Khaganate. They obeyed, they paid tribute, they carried out all orders, and in the world they themselves did not make decisions until they asked permission from their Owner

And now think again, and tell what signs of a vassal state, of the above, Japan has, and give examples.
PS So far, there is little hope that the first time you will be able to train, but I believe in success!

Calm down your mentoring tone and stop clowning around.

After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan is on a short leash with the United States. I think it's an exotic island variation of Stockholm Syndrome, licking the boot that kicked you.

Any country with at least one US military base is a US vassal. Moreover, there are no US military bases in Ukraine, but Ukraine is also a US vassal, its pet monkey.

And who will teach you the mind-reason if not me? Well, you are the clowning and the show with fake "facts" arranged. And I, as a cultured, educated, humane person, am trying to bring you back to the world of reality, knowledge

I understand you get angry when you are repeatedly poked with your nose into your fakes and stupidity. But what to do ?! Isn't it me who carries such nonsense, fakes, and stupid fantasies? In short - study, do not thank, I do it out of humane motives

I will also add - vassals, these are those who sold their country and people, who sell resources to "their blood enemies" for a penny, but keep money in their dollar, cowardly straighten out their CITIZENSHIP for themselves, their wives, children, lovers. Who buys villas and yachts in the country "enemy number one"

And what you have listed, I explain for fools, this is a military partnership!

PS "any country that has at least one US military base is a US vassal. Moreover, there are no US military bases in Ukraine, but Ukraine is also a US vassal, their favorite monkey." - well, you see what a fool you are with brains squandered by propaganda!

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Quote from: Crypto Legend on November 04, 2022, 03:42:08 AM

Of course Russia has the ambition to become the next super power, and what is done by invasion to Ukraine is a test and want to see the world's reaction with the invasion, I'm sure if Ukraine is finished then the next target is European countries like Georgia, Slovakia and so on.

Yes, there are chances that such countries as Poland, Moldova, Romania, Belarus and others will be drawn into the armed conflict.

I perceive the war as an evil and insidious demon. It exists as a virus and infects the brains of people, instilling in them the idea that want, hunger, deprivation and death are good. You have to be very careful not to be possessed by this demon.

Or maybe there really is an unknown virus that encourages people to war?

But there is also culture, and civilization, and technology. It is they (and not wars) that can make a country a superpower.

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Of course Russia has the ambition to become the next super power, and what is done by invasion to Ukraine is a test and want to see the world's reaction with the invasion, I'm sure if Ukraine is finished then the next target is European countries like Georgia, Slovakia and so on.

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Quote from: cryptomaxsun on November 03, 2022, 03:03:33 PM

The city of Volgograd has been flooded with shit for a week, 200 thousand people without water and heating.
Although the majority of normal adequate people would like to live in a cozy country, and anyway, a super or not a super power will have a status.

Yeah people love to live in US the super power, specially in San Francisco where people are literary taking shits in the middle of sidewalks that has led to them naming it the "poop city" since the streets are filled with human feces. Cheesy

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The city of Volgograd has been flooded with shit for a week, 200 thousand people without water and heating.
At the same time, no one bombed the city.
The authorities can’t do anything, everything is stupidly stolen.
Is this a sign of a superpower?
It is rather an indicator of the degradation of a third world country, such trifles make up what should be called a superpower.

Although the majority of normal adequate people would like to live in a cozy country, and anyway, a super or not a super power will have a status.

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 03, 2022, 12:32:53 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2022, 07:15:05 AM

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

US has always been in this war from day 0 and before that not to mention that so far in the at least a dozen US military personal have been killed inside Ukraine ever since the this war started. US simply can not get more involved than this.

It was reported that this military personnel is there to audit the military armaments because they think the weapons are sold in the black market. Seem like 7 months ago they weren't concern about these weapons about where it goes but now they are.

It's pretty sure they are not just there to inspect but find out where to position themselves. This is just escalation and giving Putin the idea to blast them all.

They are there to first lead the war with Russia through their proxy as military commanders and also to train their proxy's soldiers with the war strategies they are deploying and also to train them how to use the weapons they sell them.

As for the weapons that find their way to the black market, part of it is US goal to arm their other proxies like the terror groups in in Syria and the rest are out of US control due to the corruption in Ukraine officials who will keep on selling these weapons on black market to fill their own pockets.

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 03, 2022, 12:32:53 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2022, 07:15:05 AM

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

US has always been in this war from day 0 and before that not to mention that so far in the at least a dozen US military personal have been killed inside Ukraine ever since the this war started. US simply can not get more involved than this.

It was reported that this military personnel is there to audit the military armaments because they think the weapons are sold in the black market. Seem like 7 months ago they weren't concern about these weapons about where it goes but now they are.

It's pretty sure they are not just there to inspect but find out where to position themselves. This is just escalation and giving Putin the idea to blast them all.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2022, 07:15:05 AM

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

US has always been in this war from day 0 and before that not to mention that so far in the at least a dozen US military personal have been killed inside Ukraine ever since the this war started. US simply can not get more involved than this.

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that is correct - Russia has all the resources - the economy is rich and they know how to remain in the game
After the whole EU left them the other countries rushed for the diplomatic relationship - and they gained more strength.

The world needs natural resources from Russia. You always have the choice of sourcing them from elsewhere, but then the prices will be high. For example, India is currently importing around 20% to 25% of it's crude from Russia, at a price of around $70 per barrel. The no.1 supplier is Iraq (which supplies around 25% of the Indian requirement). And because Russian crude is so cheap, Iraqis have been forced to reduce their price, to stay competitive. So the import bill for India has been reduced in general. On the other hand, EU made the decision to stop the Russian imports and go for crude from Saudi Arabia and other countries. While Brent crude is trading at $95 per barrel, the Saudis are selling their crude to the EU at $100-105 per barrel.

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In my opinion, it is not nuclear weapons that make a country a superpower. The Roman Empire was a superpower not because it constantly waged wars, but because it built bridges and water pipelines in the conquered countries.

A superpower is a state that is the bearer and conductor of progress and civilization.

When Russia conquers Ukraine, it will immediately build bridges and water pipelines there. And restore electricity to bring progress and civilization. Grin

Sorry, but it's actually "IF", not "WHEN". That's the purpose of NATO. As long as NATO exists, and its member-states don't change their alliances with Russia/China, truly "conquering" Ukraine will be a big problem. I believe there wouldn't be money, or time to build bridges and water pipelines simply because of "rebels" making Russia busier in dealing with disruptions.

Plus I want to hear your opinion about Nouriel Roubini/Dr. Doom's interview, saying that World War III has "effectively begun".

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I was in Washington at the IMF meeting. The economic historian Niall Ferguson said in a speech there that we would be lucky if we got an economic crisis like in the 1970s – and not a war like in the 1940s. National security advisers were worried about NATO getting involved in the war between Russia and Ukraine and Iran and Israel being on a collision course. And just this morning, I read that the Biden administration expects China to attack Taiwan sooner rather than later. Honestly, World War III has already effectively begun, certainly in Ukraine and cyberspace.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/star-economist-roubini-on-the-global-crises-world-war-iii-has-already-effectively-begun-a-fd3126eb-4dd4-42fc-889e-27e4165f6702

I agree with Roubini's opinion that the third world war has already begun. There is a slight chance that when (if) the Republicans come to power in the United States, the focus of the United States will shift from foreign policy and fomenting conflicts around the world to the direct solution of accumulated domestic economic problems.

I believe it would be the same policy of finding conflict, but the shift would be away from Russia and more into the bigger threat of China. Haha.

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But I try to look at things realistically and understand perfectly well that the current US course is also a kind of method for solving domestic economic problems, just not direct, but indirect (but no less, and maybe more effective). The problem is that a full-scale third world war is beneficial for the US (provided, of course, that the armed conflict takes place on the other side of the ocean, without affecting US territory itself).

THAT'S THE OTHER PURPOSE OF NATO! The European Union believes NATO exists to protect/secure them from Russia, but it actually exists to make sure that the war NEVER enters the United States.

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Wars that are not beneficial to anyone do not last long and fade quickly. The conflict in Ukraine will continue for a long time and it may spread to the territory of the Baltic States and Poland. With a decrease in the number of combat-ready population of Ukraine, the number of volunteers and mercenaries from Europe and from all over the world will grow, ready to defend "democratic Western values" with weapons in their hands for generous pay. And Russia will have to methodically kill them all, it could take years.

U.S. Military Personel has entered Ukrainian soil to "inspect" military installations. I believe if any of them was killed caused by the Russian military, then that gives the U.S. military the signal to join the war.

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