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Quote from: Betwrong on July 01, 2023, 05:38:42 AM

Quote from: lalabotax on June 24, 2023, 05:52:37 PM

If it's to win at odds, then maybe, if you can.. sometimes in gambling, profits will be more attractive than the ideal of being a fair player. because it's not certain that other gamblers or the odds will also be fair to us. let alone in gambling, even in games as usual there will usually be cheating activities, so this is not a taboo or new thing anymore

This is a poor excuse for cheating: "maybe they are also cheating us". Thieves often try to justify their actions by saying saying something like that. It doesn't work. Judges and people overall don't take their words into account. And rightly so. If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing there and open a scam accusation, but don't try to become a scammer yourself.

It's like I killed someone because I suspect he killed one of my relatives or tried to kill me. Even if it's proved that someone killed your relatives or attempted to kill you, you still cannot kill someone. There are laws in each county. You cannot make a decision based on just suspicion. You should have some proof to claim that he is a killer and should be punished.

Now, we don't know if some casinos were cheating on us. It's not easy for players to cheat a casino if they do not have some kind of bonus. If you find a loophole where you cheat the platform, it's not ethical to use it to take advantage. In this case, you are a cheater.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 30, 2023, 08:02:23 AM

There are some instaces that we don't know that we are cheating already because of some specific scenarios where we are just taking advantage of the games that are exploited or rigged. Although we don't know if it's indeed guaranteed but if you as a gambler who wants easy money, there is a huge chance that you will also join it as who wouldn't want to increase their chances.

Perhaps, some people will try it to benefit from the tricks they get.
But that would be risky because if the casino found out about it, it would give those people a penalty and even ban their accounts.
And even though the trick is not guaranteed, people will still try it because they aim to win, so they will use all kinds of ways to achieve their goals.
But for people who don't want to cheat the system, they will report it to the casino that many people do cheating.
That will depend on each people what they want to do with that and if they think cheating is a bad thing, they will not follow others instead will play as usual.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on June 22, 2023, 11:12:12 AM

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

Basically we are all human, we all have passions, in my opinion there are no people who don't want money, even though they are rich people and win at gambling all the time, especially people who bet with losing streaks, if I had the opportunity like you said, obviously I or they would be competing to bet their money in the casino.

Of course, if there is a guarantee that the game can win 100%, of course, I also want to do it, but it seems that it's not a trick that can be leaked to everyone by the casino, they really closed it all tightly, most of them lost a lot of money and lost, it's a fact that often happens in the world of gambling.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 01, 2023, 05:38:42 AM

Quote from: lalabotax on June 24, 2023, 05:52:37 PM

If it's to win at odds, then maybe, if you can.. sometimes in gambling, profits will be more attractive than the ideal of being a fair player. because it's not certain that other gamblers or the odds will also be fair to us. let alone in gambling, even in games as usual there will usually be cheating activities, so this is not a taboo or new thing anymore

This is a poor excuse for cheating: "maybe they are also cheating us". Thieves often try to justify their actions by saying saying something like that. It doesn't work. Judges and people overall don't take their words into account. And rightly so. If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing there and open a scam accusation, but don't try to become a scammer yourself.

You are right, indeed that is not a good reason for gamblers to cheat because the Odds given by the casino are only based on the winning percentage.
If those who have a high chance of winning must have low Odds, it is hard to just assume that everything is unfair.
After all, the house always wins in gambling, so we can't expect to always have a win.

The right choice if it's better to leave the casino that you feel is cheating and choose to move to another casino, but if you want to make an allegation of fraud, we must be able to have accurate evidence and also the right statement for what accused.

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Quote from: lalabotax on June 24, 2023, 05:52:37 PM

If it's to win at odds, then maybe, if you can.. sometimes in gambling, profits will be more attractive than the ideal of being a fair player. because it's not certain that other gamblers or the odds will also be fair to us. let alone in gambling, even in games as usual there will usually be cheating activities, so this is not a taboo or new thing anymore

This is a poor excuse for cheating: "maybe they are also cheating us". Thieves often try to justify their actions by saying saying something like that. It doesn't work. Judges and people overall don't take their words into account. And rightly so. If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing there and open a scam accusation, but don't try to become a scammer yourself.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on June 30, 2023, 07:46:13 AM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on June 27, 2023, 01:37:41 PM

Most of the majority say that we do not agree. however, if someone has a trick to trick gambling, especially in this case casino games, slots and the like. chances are, that person will do it lag over and over again. because after all, psychologically we will find it difficult to refuse money that we can easily get. if, there are underhand tricks in gambling. And I know about it, or we have an insider leak from the casino.

It has alot of efforts required to cheat a casino and I don't really understand the kind of mentality some people w have developed and how wrongly oriented they were that make them to think about wasting their precious time on what will not last and they will later blame themselves for in future, should we call it laziness or greediness that's worrying our people in this generation where everyone want to get rich quick by any means, legal or illegal.

Usually gamblers like addicts who have given up hope will probably cheat in the end to catch up on the loss of money they feel, it doesn't happen to gamblers who are just looking for fun, most of those who have gambled only for money from the start will continue to try to play cheating somehow or other. whatever is used they will eventually be caught and the casino will either take their money or freeze their money.

There have been many cases of cheating casinos which in the end they seek attention in this forum by accusing that casinos are committing fraud whereas they are people who have tried to cheat casinos also play unfairly using bonuses and others, fortunately I am not a gambler who only focuses on money, looking for fun is my main goal of gambling.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on June 30, 2023, 07:46:13 AM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on June 27, 2023, 01:37:41 PM

Most of the majority say that we do not agree. however, if someone has a trick to trick gambling, especially in this case casino games, slots and the like. chances are, that person will do it lag over and over again. because after all, psychologically we will find it difficult to refuse money that we can easily get. if, there are underhand tricks in gambling. And I know about it, or we have an insider leak from the casino.

It has alot of efforts required to cheat a casino and I don't really understand the kind of mentality some people w have developed and how wrongly oriented they were that make them to think about wasting their precious time on what will not last and they will later blame themselves for in future, should we call it laziness or greediness that's worrying our people in this generation where everyone want to get rich quick by any means, legal or illegal.

There are some instaces that we don't know that we are cheating already because of some specific scenarios where we are just taking advantage of the games that are exploited or rigged. Although we don't know if it's indeed guaranteed but if you as a gambler who wants easy money, there is a huge chance that you will also join it as who wouldn't want to increase their chances.

There are lots of gambling activities in this world, majority of these activities aren't even played in casino.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on June 27, 2023, 01:37:41 PM

Most of the majority say that we do not agree. however, if someone has a trick to trick gambling, especially in this case casino games, slots and the like. chances are, that person will do it lag over and over again. because after all, psychologically we will find it difficult to refuse money that we can easily get. if, there are underhand tricks in gambling. And I know about it, or we have an insider leak from the casino.

It has alot of efforts required to cheat a casino and I don't really understand the kind of mentality some people w have developed and how wrongly oriented they were that make them to think about wasting their precious time on what will not last and they will later blame themselves for in future, should we call it laziness or greediness that's worrying our people in this generation where everyone want to get rich quick by any means, legal or illegal.

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Quote from: len01 on June 29, 2023, 11:33:22 PM

Quote from: Rabata on June 29, 2023, 11:14:14 PM

Gamblers have always a intention how they can win more from gambling. However, there are some gamblers whose aim is to cheat and extract money from the gambling platform. This aim is not successful most of the time, rather the gambler has to accept various unwanted situations. A gambler can even go to jail for cheating. Usually the gambling house always win if there is no recourse for fraud then the House can take legal action. There is no assurance that the fraudster will succeed in his fraud but if his fraud is detected he will give its value. If a gambler is caught cheating, his previous winnings may also be forfeited.

every casino or gambling always has a fraud detection system carried out by customers and if there is a gambler who cheats to make money the system will detect this fraud and immediately freeze the gambler's funds and carry out an interrogation and if proven wrong there is no other choice but funds must be confiscated. from this problem we can ensure that gambling always has tighter security and there are many detection tools to detect fraud or anything that can cheat gambling so that there is no loophole for gamblers to cheat casinos.
lots of cases of gamblers complaining because the funds were frozen but when traced the gamblers made a mistake, namely cheating the casino.

so it would be better for us to always think of gambling as just entertainment without having to think about profiting from gambling in any way. because this is going to be a big problem.

Without a doubt, both offline casinos and their virtual counterparts employ intricate methodologies to detect and neutralize fraudulent behaviors. From watchful eyes in the sky to intricate computer programming, they wage an unceasing war against cheating. Yet, an additional stratum of this discourse seeks our attention. While casinos tirelessly work to spot and reprimand fraudulent activities by patrons, they're not above engaging in actions that can raise eyebrows. "The house always wins" isn't merely a phrase - it underscores the reality that casinos hold an inherent edge in every game. This is legal, yet, can seem like a clever way of 'fleecing' the players.

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Quote from: Rabata on June 29, 2023, 11:14:14 PM

Gamblers have always a intention how they can win more from gambling. However, there are some gamblers whose aim is to cheat and extract money from the gambling platform. This aim is not successful most of the time, rather the gambler has to accept various unwanted situations. A gambler can even go to jail for cheating. Usually the gambling house always win if there is no recourse for fraud then the House can take legal action. There is no assurance that the fraudster will succeed in his fraud but if his fraud is detected he will give its value. If a gambler is caught cheating, his previous winnings may also be forfeited.

every casino or gambling always has a fraud detection system carried out by customers and if there is a gambler who cheats to make money the system will detect this fraud and immediately freeze the gambler's funds and carry out an interrogation and if proven wrong there is no other choice but funds must be confiscated. from this problem we can ensure that gambling always has tighter security and there are many detection tools to detect fraud or anything that can cheat gambling so that there is no loophole for gamblers to cheat casinos.
lots of cases of gamblers complaining because the funds were frozen but when traced the gamblers made a mistake, namely cheating the casino.

so it would be better for us to always think of gambling as just entertainment without having to think about profiting from gambling in any way. because this is going to be a big problem.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on June 29, 2023, 11:18:07 AM

Cheating in gambling will only harm themselves instead of expecting a big reward from one or two successful cheats.
Abusing casinos for personal gain is strictly prohibited and every casino has warned against it in their ToS. OK you probably won't get caught and banned on the first try but when they start suspecting you then you might pay the price.

In the end it all comes down to the individual because some gamblers also seem to be quite capable of taking advantage of their chances of getting good results even if they abuse the casino. Whoever did it should be capable enough to take responsibility because there are always consequences for what we do.

Most addicted gamblers don't care about the system or the consequences; they make critical judgments that may have bad effects in the future; it's none of their business. Gambling is for everyone and not for everyone; it all depends on the degree of games we record; we are not prepared to lose any more money in gambling. Looking at everything related to gambling, I'm ready to cheat in gambling because recounting the huge losses I've documented hurts and I'm currently struggling with funds.

Maybe for now they don't care about the system since they are looking only at the present activities and they care only on how they can make their game long and win consecutively.

Gambling for me is not for everyone since it need patience and discipline and I can't afford to cheat because I don't want to participate on any of it because for sure next to that is banning of our account on casino and to bad for us if they include to take our funds then there's no other way to get that back from them because we have been busted cheating on their casino.

Banning of account won't be a problem if it will just be the consequence of cheating. It won't also be enough to stop players on such activity jist because of it. Cheating is a choice and people have their own reason to do so. What's obvious is that cheating won't always work in this industry 'coz if it does, many gamblers should be rich by now. Also, there'll be many gambling sites to close by this time. I think if there would be a way to cheat, for a single time, to each and every gambler, I think majority will embrace the opportunity. One reason is that it is hard to win in gambling so it won't be shocking to know that many players would be eager to experience it, in any way possible. I would be guilty as well for such thing.

Gamblers have always a intention how they can win more from gambling. However, there are some gamblers whose aim is to cheat and extract money from the gambling platform. This aim is not successful most of the time, rather the gambler has to accept various unwanted situations. A gambler can even go to jail for cheating. Usually the gambling house always win if there is no recourse for fraud then the House can take legal action. There is no assurance that the fraudster will succeed in his fraud but if his fraud is detected he will give its value. If a gambler is caught cheating, his previous winnings may also be forfeited.

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Quote from: Taskford on June 29, 2023, 06:43:23 PM

Quote from: Josefjix on June 29, 2023, 04:40:43 PM

Quote from: indah rezqi on June 29, 2023, 11:18:07 AM

Cheating in gambling will only harm themselves instead of expecting a big reward from one or two successful cheats.
Abusing casinos for personal gain is strictly prohibited and every casino has warned against it in their ToS. OK you probably won't get caught and banned on the first try but when they start suspecting you then you might pay the price.

In the end it all comes down to the individual because some gamblers also seem to be quite capable of taking advantage of their chances of getting good results even if they abuse the casino. Whoever did it should be capable enough to take responsibility because there are always consequences for what we do.

Most addicted gamblers don't care about the system or the consequences; they make critical judgments that may have bad effects in the future; it's none of their business. Gambling is for everyone and not for everyone; it all depends on the degree of games we record; we are not prepared to lose any more money in gambling. Looking at everything related to gambling, I'm ready to cheat in gambling because recounting the huge losses I've documented hurts and I'm currently struggling with funds.

Maybe for now they don't care about the system since they are looking only at the present activities and they care only on how they can make their game long and win consecutively.

Gambling for me is not for everyone since it need patience and discipline and I can't afford to cheat because I don't want to participate on any of it because for sure next to that is banning of our account on casino and to bad for us if they include to take our funds then there's no other way to get that back from them because we have been busted cheating on their casino.

Banning of account won't be a problem if it will just be the consequence of cheating. It won't also be enough to stop players on such activity jist because of it. Cheating is a choice and people have their own reason to do so. What's obvious is that cheating won't always work in this industry 'coz if it does, many gamblers should be rich by now. Also, there'll be many gambling sites to close by this time. I think if there would be a way to cheat, for a single time, to each and every gambler, I think majority will embrace the opportunity. One reason is that it is hard to win in gambling so it won't be shocking to know that many players would be eager to experience it, in any way possible. I would be guilty as well for such thing.

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Quote from: Josefjix on June 29, 2023, 04:40:43 PM

Quote from: indah rezqi on June 29, 2023, 11:18:07 AM

Cheating in gambling will only harm themselves instead of expecting a big reward from one or two successful cheats.
Abusing casinos for personal gain is strictly prohibited and every casino has warned against it in their ToS. OK you probably won't get caught and banned on the first try but when they start suspecting you then you might pay the price.

In the end it all comes down to the individual because some gamblers also seem to be quite capable of taking advantage of their chances of getting good results even if they abuse the casino. Whoever did it should be capable enough to take responsibility because there are always consequences for what we do.

Most addicted gamblers don't care about the system or the consequences; they make critical judgments that may have bad effects in the future; it's none of their business. Gambling is for everyone and not for everyone; it all depends on the degree of games we record; we are not prepared to lose any more money in gambling. Looking at everything related to gambling, I'm ready to cheat in gambling because recounting the huge losses I've documented hurts and I'm currently struggling with funds.

Maybe for now they don't care about the system since they are looking only at the present activities and they care only on how they can make their game long and win consecutively.

Gambling for me is not for everyone since it need patience and discipline and I can't afford to cheat because I don't want to participate on any of it because for sure next to that is banning of our account on casino and to bad for us if they include to take our funds then there's no other way to get that back from them because we have been busted cheating on their casino.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on June 29, 2023, 11:18:07 AM

Cheating in gambling will only harm themselves instead of expecting a big reward from one or two successful cheats.
Abusing casinos for personal gain is strictly prohibited and every casino has warned against it in their ToS. OK you probably won't get caught and banned on the first try but when they start suspecting you then you might pay the price.

In the end it all comes down to the individual because some gamblers also seem to be quite capable of taking advantage of their chances of getting good results even if they abuse the casino. Whoever did it should be capable enough to take responsibility because there are always consequences for what we do.

Casinos made certain that their systems were not leaked or infiltrated by hackers, as this is the only way cheats could be activated. Most addicted gamblers don't care about the system or the consequences; they make critical judgments that may have bad effects in the future; it's none of their business. Gambling is for everyone and not for everyone; it all depends on the degree of games we record; we are not prepared to lose any more money in gambling. Looking at everything related to gambling, I'm ready to cheat in gambling because recounting the huge losses I've documented hurts and I'm currently struggling with funds.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on June 29, 2023, 02:25:10 AM

Today some casinos still offer bug bounties to people who want to find them. It will benefit people because they can get prizes that they can use to gamble. But it won't be easy because the casino's security system must be good and maybe it's just a minor bug that doesn't really impact the casino. But in any case, the casinos should reward those bounty hunters as they help the casinos find loopholes that unscrupulous gamblers can exploit. And we shouldn't have to cheat the casinos either because the casinos will find out sooner or later.

Ya benar sekali, tidak sedikit dari mereka para penjudi yang menggunakan cara curang untuk menemukan bug sehingga mereka mendapatkan banyak uang. Jika pihak kasino mengetahui hal ini memang tentu saya rasa mereka harus memberi apresiasi kepada orang tersebut karena secara tidak langsung ia telah memberi tahu sisi kelemahan yang ada di kasino. Kasus ini pernah terjadi pada salah satu satelit, yang dimana ada seorang pemuda yang telah berhasil menemukan bug dalam sistem mereka lalu pada akhirnya mereka memberikan hadiah untuk orang tersebut. hal ini memang sangat penting bagi suatu perusahaan, karena memang secara tidak langsung mereka telah memberi tahu sistem keamanan yang bocor karena mungkin kurangnya perhatian dari pihak perusahaan. Tetapi saya rasa sekarang hal seperti ini sudah tidak banyak terjadi, dan tidak ada gunanya para penjudi mencari cara untuk bisa membobolnya, karena sudah di pastikan kasino telah membuat banyak pertahanan di berbagai sisi untuk mengamankan data dan uang perusahaan.

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Cheating in gambling will only harm themselves instead of expecting a big reward from one or two successful cheats.
Abusing casinos for personal gain is strictly prohibited and every casino has warned against it in their ToS. OK you probably won't get caught and banned on the first try but when they start suspecting you then you might pay the price.

In the end it all comes down to the individual because some gamblers also seem to be quite capable of taking advantage of their chances of getting good results even if they abuse the casino. Whoever did it should be capable enough to take responsibility because there are always consequences for what we do.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on June 27, 2023, 01:37:41 PM

Most of the majority say that we do not agree. however, if someone has a trick to trick gambling, especially in this case casino games, slots and the like. chances are, that person will do it lag over and over again. because after all, psychologically we will find it difficult to refuse money that we can easily get. if, there are underhand tricks in gambling. And I know about it, or we have an insider leak from the casino.

To be honest, I can't answer for sure. maybe I will do the trick to get a big profit. it is also possible, I will reject it because it is contrary to my values. Well, we will be faced with two possibilities. if our morals are not strong, then we will do it. fortunately, this conclusion is only a simulation which certainly does not occur in reality. however, it is very likely that there will be many gamblers who commit fraud. if, he has a chance. but that doesn't mean I generalize to all gamblers, but the temptation is indeed difficult for us to avoid. even, including myself. thankfully this kind of underhanded trick, which the OP said in the title of this thread, is rare. In fact, I'm not even sure if we can cheat slot machines.

I somehow agree with what you say, even if everyone refuses it in public and says that they won't do it because it's against their moral values or whatever if any one of them actually gets the opportunity to earn a lot of money by using a trick or by using a vulnerability of the casino platform, I'm pretty sure they would do it and then don't let anyone know what they did because money is something that makes people do all kinds of bad stuff.

Even if one receives a tip about a sports game that one of the teams is going to win the game because it has been fixed, if the source is genuine and you know the tip is 100% authentic, I'm absolutely sure that one will go for it with a higher bet so that they can make more money than usual bets they make.

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Quote from: retreat on June 23, 2023, 10:11:42 AM

So far I have never cheated on the casino platform I use and don't seem to have any intention of doing so. Even when someone said that there was a trick that could be used to outsmart the game, I had no intention of doing it. Not being hypocritical or anything, I just can't cheat because I feel so guilty when I do something wrong. What's more, I think that the casino platform must have been very smart to design their games, of course the chances of cheating will be very slim for the players.

Anxiety that makes us never calm when trying to cheat gambling.
I never thought that anyone would dare to cheat gambling for money or profit.
I agree with what you say that gambling sites have always been smarter than the fraudulent acts committed by gamblers.

I think that is what you called conscience. You are guilty about the thing that you did and makes you feel uneasy. You wish you never did it but I think this only happens to those who are not used of doing it but for those people who live to cheat, they will never feel any negative emotion right after they did it. They will only be glad and celebrate once their attempts are successful. Why you never thought a cheating can happen?

Are you not reading the news, forum post and other sources where they talk about this matter? Money is too powerful and for the many, they can do anything only to obtain it even if it's wrong. No matter how smart you think the gambling site is, a good cheater can still bypass them.

First, a good man will not cheat, but this might depend on what you term as cheating, at times, this might be merely outsmarting the house as everything is already wired in their favour. Are they (house) not smart for doing that?

Second, you might want to point out to your resources on cheating, but as for me, cheating can never happen in an online casino unless their system malfunctions. This is because the game is carefully planned and coded, they too are professional players that are well-informed of all the antics of gamblers.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 28, 2023, 03:03:08 PM

Casinos should really offer bug bounties, that way if a gambler found a bug instead of trying to exploit it for their benefit they will prefer to report it and receive some nice benefits thanks to it, that way both parties win, as the gambler receives an unexpected amount of money on their wallet, while the casino becomes more secure while making it harder for hackers to find a way to get around their security, unfortunately as far as I know there are very few casinos which offer bug bounties.

Today some casinos still offer bug bounties to people who want to find them. It will benefit people because they can get prizes that they can use to gamble. But it won't be easy because the casino's security system must be good and maybe it's just a minor bug that doesn't really impact the casino. But in any case, the casinos should reward those bounty hunters as they help the casinos find loopholes that unscrupulous gamblers can exploit. And we shouldn't have to cheat the casinos either because the casinos will find out sooner or later.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on June 28, 2023, 02:00:27 AM

Quote from: Shamm on June 27, 2023, 10:29:13 PM

That is what casino is all about they can detect easily when the gambler or a user make an extra ordinary things then the casino facilitator will take an action about that and one of those are when an account being suspected then there's a high percentage that account will go for and KYC and or restricted or the withdrawal will being hold for a couple of days .

And if it is true that the user is cheating, the casino will immediately block the gambling account and hold all the money in the account without being able to withdraw it. That's what will happen to people suspected of cheating the casino and we shouldn't have to because the risks are like that. And if we find a bug in the casino, we better report it to the casino immediately and maybe we'll be rewarded.

Casinos should really offer bug bounties, that way if a gambler found a bug instead of trying to exploit it for their benefit they will prefer to report it and receive some nice benefits thanks to it, that way both parties win, as the gambler receives an unexpected amount of money on their wallet, while the casino becomes more secure while making it harder for hackers to find a way to get around their security, unfortunately as far as I know there are very few casinos which offer bug bounties.

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