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Trying to cheat a casino cam only be fine when you don't have much money in your account and don't have the plan to stay for a very long time in the casino because it is certain that the person will be ban or account locked as quick as possible.

There's nothing fine in giving an attempt to cheat when knowing that the end result will always be banned, doing what is not right cannot last but a few moments, the casinos also has security measures taken to tackle every attempted means to cheat on their system and the gambler will end loosing instead of looting the casino.

Quote from: RockBell on July 10, 2023, 09:21:16 AM

Many of these casinos are always strict and ready to penalize us when we do something contrary to there terms and conditions especially when the person a has some money in there account. It will be unwise for us to try and cheat a casino when we know that the casino can in any ways freeze our account for breaking there team's and conditions.

I think in this kind of scenario, they will not temporary ban the user account but give it a permanent ban even though they may try to subject such user to more protocols under KYC requirements but his account may not get unlocked at the end after wasting his time as well on false hope that his account may get unlocked through the process.

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Cheating is just another way of implicating yourself from the start no matter how clever the cheater is, they will definitely catch him or her and if so, the person will face the law however, one thing I have noticed with people who commit such acts is that their minds are always made up and they are not afraid of the consequences. The legislation states that anyone apprehended will be used as a scapegoat. I don't believe I've ever seen or heard of someone doing anything like that. Anyone who wants to gamble should gamble, but going so far as to deceive a casino is not fair.

The condition on OP scenario is the cheat is 100% working that you can cashout profit. It’s not about if you can withdraw question but the integrity of gamblers if you will have a choice to do it with sure method or not. I doubt about consequence since most casino only ask KYC when they find out that account is involved in shady activities which on this case player is on stealth mode amd withdraw funds without being notice.

As a gambler, I might be tempted to do it considering this will work 100% but I will definitely halt in the middle since I can’t accept money that is earned in this way.

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Rather than cheating it is all about utilising the opportunity. It is really hard to win against the machines. There are people who are skilled enough to cheat the machines through learning. I don't have the patience to learn as well as try against the gambling machines that are completely focused on profit making. I will go with fixed bets, because in the past I've won with fixed bets information shared on our forum. I'm not sure how far the bet is real information or coincidence, but I was able to win a fixed bet.

That is already your chance to bet on that specific game and while it's not guaranteed as you don't know the reality of it, there is no need for you to doubt it because what you're dealing with is still the same bet, like a coin that got two sides but with a higher chance.
Besides, I think you did the right thing because I don't think that anybody will reject that information after knowing first hand about these fixed bets. Not all the gamblers will have the opportunity to know something like this as it's usually not shared to a much bigger crowd.

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Quote from: borovichok on July 10, 2023, 09:09:19 AM

Trying to cheat a casino cam only be fine when you don't have much money in your account and don't have the plan to stay for a very long time in the casino because it is certain that the person will be ban or account locked as quick as possible. Many of these casinos are always strict and ready to penalize us when we do something contrary to there terms and conditions especially when the person a has some money in there account. It will be unwise for us to try and cheat a casino when we know that the casino can in any ways freeze our account for breaking there team's and conditions.

The sure thing is that the casino will find out about people rigging the casino because the casino has a security team that will keep an eye on all the players. The casino will not let people cheat the casino and will find them easily because the security team has access that we can't even imagine. And if the casino finds it, it will surely punish those who cheat by locking their account or even immediately deleting it. In contrast, the casino will take the balance in their account. So you should never think about cheating the casino because you will pay the price later.

Well, you might be right about the security systems and teams of the casinos that are always ready to identify and catch cheating gamblers, but I don't really think that those who get the opportunity to cheat the casino will do it in a way that can be easily detected or caught by casino officials but it will be done in a way that they can't even know about it, and that is the main question about this topic that if you get such an opportunity, will you take it or not?

And to be honest, I don't think anyone would leave an opportunity like that where they are guaranteed to win some money and no one would even have a doubt about it or become suspicious that they did something that in a way cheated the casino but got them some money as a reward.

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The sure thing is that the casino will find out about people rigging the casino because the casino has a security team that will keep an eye on all the players. The casino will not let people cheat the casino and will find them easily because the security team has access that we can't even imagine. And if the casino finds it, it will surely punish those who cheat by locking their account or even immediately deleting it. In contrast, the casino will take the balance in their account. So you should never think about cheating the casino because you will pay the price later.

You are completely correct; every casino, particularly those with already established legitimate sites, high traffic, and a large number of customers, has security teams inspecting sites to see whether they have been compromised. We are humans, and it is our own personal decision to either embrace or resist cheating when provided or spotted an opportunity to do so, either publicly or discreetly. There is no space for cheating in gambling, and if it occurs, the consequences are usually severe, such as freezing your casino accounts, prohibiting some vital functions such as withdrawals after games, or permanently banning accounts.

We all know that casinos come to make money and not to share money, it is clear that they have thought about this to deal with fraudulent users, for example cheating by taking advantage of bonuses given by casinos or others, they will be ready to arrest anyone who cheats because their system is much more sophisticated than what people think, because of that many cases that are caught on this forum are not strange.

Why do we have to do cheating if indeed we can still win with our strategy and expertise in gambling, I think maybe gamblers who are frustrated and have lost a lot will do things like that in order to be able to return what has been used up because of gambling, so usually that reason makes the most sense .

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on June 22, 2023, 11:12:12 AM

Rather than cheating it is all about utilising the opportunity. It is really hard to win against the machines. There are people who are skilled enough to cheat the machines through learning. I don't have the patience to learn as well as try against the gambling machines that are completely focused on profit making. I will go with fixed bets, because in the past I've won with fixed bets information shared on our forum. I'm not sure how far the bet is real information or coincidence, but I was able to win a fixed bet.

after you said about rigging a machine i remember in the past there was a young man who cheated a slot machine taking advantage of the bottom hole in the slot machine instead he used a small amount of money and tried to poke money out of the hole at the bottom of the machine those slots.
from this I conclude that cheating offline gambling is possible but cheating online gambling is a little impossible and even very risky for our accounts. I support your statement that it would be better if you choose a fixed bet rather than having to seek profit from crime against the dealer.

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As a morally upright person that does not like to cheat people, but gambles and has lost a lot of money to gambling in a casino where you have sometimes been cheated even without your knowledge or betting on sports, will you take an opportunity you get and go against your moral standards to cheat a casino or sportsbetting place, just so you can win big at least even once.

Will you try a trick to win on casino game machines if you were told and it is a 100% working trick to cash out? Will you bet on fixed games if you get the tip early?

How do you imagine a gambler cheating a casino(it doesn't matter if it's online or offline casino)? Counting cards on an offline casino? This is extremely difficult for me and I know that the casinos have methods to catch gamblers, who are counting cards.
I don't know about any online casinos, that can be exploited. Even if such casinos exist, the exploit will easily get patched or the casino will simply shut down.
I would bet a small amount on a fixed sports event, but I don't believe that anyone would share verified information about fixed games for free over the internet.

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Quote from: Josefjix on July 14, 2023, 12:08:36 AM

Rather than cheating it is all about utilising the opportunity. It is really hard to win against the machines. There are people who are skilled enough to cheat the machines through learning. I don't have the patience to learn as well as try against the gambling machines that are completely focused on profit making. I will go with fixed bets, because in the past I've won with fixed bets information shared on our forum. I'm not sure how far the bet is real information or coincidence, but I was able to win a fixed bet.

If there is an opportunity, do you also want to commit such fraudulent acts?
Actually there is no reason for gamblers to cheat because it is clear that it is an offense and can bring the gambler himself into a complicated problem.
I will never learn to be able to fight and beat a machine because it's impossible to do, no matter how well you learn and you will never be able to beat a gambling machine.
Let's just say that in every game you are having fun then the victory will come automatically without you knowing it.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 12, 2023, 02:00:52 PM

Rather than cheating it is all about utilising the opportunity. It is really hard to win against the machines. There are people who are skilled enough to cheat the machines through learning. I don't have the patience to learn as well as try against the gambling machines that are completely focused on profit making. I will go with fixed bets, because in the past I've won with fixed bets information shared on our forum. I'm not sure how far the bet is real information or coincidence, but I was able to win a fixed bet.

We've set our daily targets in gambling, but we must encounter problems before we can meet our final strategies and achieve the previously defined common objectives. Of course, I would carry out all in my capacity to win games so I could earn profit. The reality of life is that surviving is winning. Surprisingly, these machines recognize when their systems are breached and rapidly apply to correct it, even if clients are victims of set games on the casino system. Only the brightest can comprehend gambling and play successfully within the framework.

The developers of the game have set it up properly so that it will be difficult for players to cheat unless a system failure occurs so that players achieve unusual results and if I'm not mistaken it happened in one of the casinos where the game crash they has reached a multiplier of more than 100,000x but it was system failure not player cheating, but gradually the machine will be able to detect that there has been an error in their operational system.
Are there players who can actually consistently cheat at a casino? because I doubt that this will happen they have a system to detect irregularities that occur, and if there are players who can do it at several casinos I'm sure it's only temporary until the casino that has experienced a loss gives data about the player to the others casino so that it will be difficult for him to commit fraud.

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Quote from: RockBell on July 10, 2023, 09:21:16 AM

Cheating is just another way of implicating yourself from the start no matter how clever the cheater is, they will definitely catch him or her and if so, the person will face the law however, one thing I have noticed with people who commit such acts is that their minds are always made up and they are not afraid of the consequences. The legislation states that anyone apprehended will be used as a scapegoat. I don't believe I've ever seen or heard of someone doing anything like that. Anyone who wants to gamble should gamble, but going so far as to deceive a casino is not fair.

This is very close to the truth, I remember reading on the past articles about how the majority of the criminals have problems when it comes to thinking about the long term consequences of their actions, they know that if they steal they may get some money they do not deserve, they understand that much, however in their minds they never think about the possibility of eventually being discovered, caught and sent to jail, so it is not they are not afraid of the consequences, they do not even think about them.

Which I think is a kind of disorder.
We have parents who taught us about rules and how to obey them. Then, we learn about the law in our schools or even just outside with our friends. Not thinking about the consequences when you do something wrong has something to do with the past of each person. They may have lacked the people who taught them about it or they grew up in a place where there are no rules that need to be obeyed.

But I do believe when it comes to gambling there will be those who will try to take advantage of a flawed system. First, they want revenge for losing a lot of money from the unfair system. Second, they just want their money back. Finally, it will be an escape from being on the poor side of society. There are many reasons why it can be done and I do think even the honest ones will take advantage of it (what more a gambler) if they see there's an escape route with no jail time. Greed is just too evil.

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Rather than cheating it is all about utilising the opportunity. It is really hard to win against the machines. There are people who are skilled enough to cheat the machines through learning. I don't have the patience to learn as well as try against the gambling machines that are completely focused on profit making. I will go with fixed bets, because in the past I've won with fixed bets information shared on our forum. I'm not sure how far the bet is real information or coincidence, but I was able to win a fixed bet.

We've set our daily targets in gambling, but we must encounter problems before we can meet our final strategies and achieve the previously defined common objectives. Of course, I would carry out all in my capacity to win games so I could earn profit. The reality of life is that surviving is winning. Surprisingly, these machines recognize when their systems are breached and rapidly apply to correct it, even if clients are victims of set games on the casino system. Only the brightest can comprehend gambling and play successfully within the framework.

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Rather than cheating it is all about utilising the opportunity. It is really hard to win against the machines. There are people who are skilled enough to cheat the machines through learning. I don't have the patience to learn as well as try against the gambling machines that are completely focused on profit making. I will go with fixed bets, because in the past I've won with fixed bets information shared on our forum. I'm not sure how far the bet is real information or coincidence, but I was able to win a fixed bet.

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Quote from: maydna on July 08, 2023, 12:41:06 PM

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Trying to cheat a casino cam only be fine when you don't have much money in your account and don't have the plan to stay for a very long time in the casino because it is certain that the person will be ban or account locked as quick as possible. Many of these casinos are always strict and ready to penalize us when we do something contrary to there terms and conditions especially when the person a has some money in there account. It will be unwise for us to try and cheat a casino when we know that the casino can in any ways freeze our account for breaking there team's and conditions.

The sure thing is that the casino will find out about people rigging the casino because the casino has a security team that will keep an eye on all the players. The casino will not let people cheat the casino and will find them easily because the security team has access that we can't even imagine. And if the casino finds it, it will surely punish those who cheat by locking their account or even immediately deleting it. In contrast, the casino will take the balance in their account. So you should never think about cheating the casino because you will pay the price later.

There is a good reason casinos and other services like exchanges are probably in favor of getting KYC information about all their users, anyways. In the unlikely case someone finds a bug or a glitch which allowed them to withdraw money to a private wallet which does not rightfully belong to them, then it is a good chance the casino or the exchange could identity and track down the person taking the money. Even if the person does not live in a first world country where he/she could be arrested easily, that person would live in fear for the rest of their days and unable to step on other countries where would be arrested. I think it would not be worth it to anyone in that position.

Notice how more exchanges have been pushing for complete KYC summit even during registration in these latest years...

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Quote from: maydna on July 08, 2023, 12:41:06 PM

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Trying to cheat a casino cam only be fine when you don't have much money in your account and don't have the plan to stay for a very long time in the casino because it is certain that the person will be ban or account locked as quick as possible. Many of these casinos are always strict and ready to penalize us when we do something contrary to there terms and conditions especially when the person a has some money in there account. It will be unwise for us to try and cheat a casino when we know that the casino can in any ways freeze our account for breaking there team's and conditions.

The sure thing is that the casino will find out about people rigging the casino because the casino has a security team that will keep an eye on all the players. The casino will not let people cheat the casino and will find them easily because the security team has access that we can't even imagine. And if the casino finds it, it will surely punish those who cheat by locking their account or even immediately deleting it. In contrast, the casino will take the balance in their account. So you should never think about cheating the casino because you will pay the price later.

But what if you can get away with it? Because that's what I assume what OP is supposing in this scenario. If you could get away with taking advantage of the casino's bugs and glitches, or mayhaps a sleepy guard and a failed shuffle on a land casino, what would you do with it? Would you still not cheat cause "it's morally incorrect and my ethical standards aren't that low", or are you going to be tempted to cheat cause hey, that's a free win right there staring at you dead in the eye!

It's easy to dodge the dilemma by avoiding the argument and extrapolating the situation by including stuff that's in paper not within the bounds of the question anyway, just so your morality's not judged by the people here. But what matters most is actually providing a sensible answer to OP's questions, which I believe isn't even that hard in the first place.

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Quote from: Slow death on July 10, 2023, 10:42:43 AM